Monday Open Thread

“May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.”

–Dwight D. Eisenhower

29 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. Pseudonymous says:

    Remember to act surprised, everyone!


    U.S. officials constantly said they were making progress. They were not, and they knew it.

    A confidential trove of government documents obtained by The Washington Post reveals that senior U.S. officials failed to tell the truth about the war in Afghanistan throughout the 18-year campaign, making rosy pronouncements they knew to be false and hiding unmistakable evidence the war had become unwinnable.

    • Duke Cox says:

      This is me, sadly not being surprised.

      As I sit here listening for something relevant from the minority counsel, I am dismayed that the question of what T***p did can be so dramatically excused by so many Rogers.

      I am introducing a new synonym for "willfully ignorant". A person who suffers from severe intellectual laziness is a "Roger"

      My Cat is concerned enough people won't understand it all, but I think they will.

    • Diogenesdemar says:

      Making “progress” in war these days doesn’t mean ending or winning it . . .

       . . quite the opposite

      . . . it means more that the war-profiteers and grifters are making good progress on raking in enough to buy their second private island. 

      • Voyageur says:

        Oh, Rudy, Don’t Kiss the Rump of Trump.

        Tune: Ruby, don't take your love to town


        You’ve thrown on pancake make-up and combed your single hair.

        Oh, Rudy are you contemplating going out somewhere?

        I realize it's hard to be a has-been and a clown.

        Oh, Rudy, don't kiss the rump of Trump.


          It wasn't me who started up that crazy Ukraine war.

        Where you sucked up to Putin like a cheap two-dollar whore.

        But when you were mayor you still had a shred of dignity.

        Oh, Rudy, don't kiss the rump of Trump.


        You say you're still a lawyer and your ethics are for hire.

        But the Southern District of New York says you're just a liar.

        Your long string of ex-wives say you never keep your word.

        Oh, Rudy, Don't Kiss the Rump of Trump!




  2. Powerful Pear says:

    The Trumpster is doomed now. You got the goods on him. Bring on President Pence.

  3. Duke Cox says:

    Pence was aware and said nothing. He is an accomplice.

    • notaskinnycook says:

      You think so, too? I've been saying for a while that Pence is in this up to his neck. To Yammie-pie it's just business, but the way they tried to squeeze Ukraine takes governmental savvy he just doesn't have. That's where Pence came in. Having served in Congress, he had to have known it was wrong. Was he just so grateful to The Yam for saving him from the embarrassment of defeat in Indiana that he'd lie and cover for him? Man, is he dumb.


  4. Voyageur says:

    At least Pence isn't a madman.  With him in the White House, the world might stop laughing at us.  But the price of removing Trump is Hail to Mike Pence.

  5. JohnInDenver says:

    My morning reading found a truly exhaustive analysis (in all senses of "exhaustive") at Just Security website:  Seven Outright Falsehoods in GOP Staff Report on Impeachment

    Not everything in the report is a lie. In many instances, it is clear that, where possible, there was great care taken to avoid outright mistruths, through the careful phrasing of arguments to suggest a more sweeping defense than is actually offered, or through focusing on irrelevant and ambiguous witness testimony while ignoring direct and clear testimony to the contrary.

    But staying within the bounds of the factual record – or even within the bounds of reasonable subjective interpretation of the record – could only get House Republican staff so far, and much of the report doesn’t just dance around the truth so much as it strides into deliberate falsehood. In order to depict the events at the heart of the Trump-Ukraine impeachment inquiry in a light that could at all be construed as a defense of President Trump’s conduct, it appears that some outright lies were needed.

    I'm still unclear why the author prefers "falsehood" to "lie," but the impact is very close to the same.  At least we didn't downgrade to "controversial statements" or other innocuous term. 

    • Duke Cox says:

      Did anyone besides me just hear a shreik from Gordon Sondland as the GOP Intelligence committee quietlythrew him under the bus? Minority counsel just tried the "stupid /rogue/ incompetent accomplice"" defense…aimed squarely at Sondland.

  6. Powerful Pear says:

    This is for all you climate change scientists. With the eruption of the volcano in New Zealand, how many years of progress of the green new deal would have been wiped out?

    And how long will it take before AOC and Greta blame Trump, if they haven’t already.

  7. kwtree says:

    Roger that. The net effect of volcanic eruptions is to cool the planet.This is because volcanoes spew clouds of particulates that block the sun and shade the surface.

    The hypothetical effect of atomic bomb explosions would be similar – vast clouds of particulate debris, shading and cooling the surface. Hence, the expression, “nuclear winter”. Let’s hope we never find out what happens to net temperatures post-nuking. 

  8. MADCO says:

    Page, Pappadopolous and Barr should be indicted (again).
    Putin and Russia should be sanctioned. Often and bigly.

    Bring back the Panama Papers.

    As for Trumpeachment : RELEASE THE RECORDING or shut up about the partial transcript.

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