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July 26, 2019 07:26 AM UTC

Friday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“The punishment which the wise suffer who refuse to take part in the government, is to live under the government of worse men.”

–Plato

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26 thoughts on “Friday Open Thread

  1. WOTD from Matthew Iglesias at Vox: "An incredibly boring back-to-basics proposal."

    Rather than call it incredibly boring, I would call this idea a diabolically cynical plot to advance the LWNJ agenda. 

    Democrats should run on the popular progressive ideas, but not the unpopular ones

    Some left-wing stuff is popular, some isn’t

    Marist’s numbers, for reference, show overwhelming public support for a path to citizenship for the undocumented population, for an aggressive public option approach to universal health care, and for a “Green New Deal” of public investment in clean energy and efficient retrofits. Add that to a $15/hour minimum wage, throw in two high-polling gun control measures, legalize marijuana, and pay for the first two things with a wealth tax, and you’ve got a solidly popular vision for transforming America.

    The most important thing is to win in 2020, and the easiest way to do that is to run on popular ideas. The President will be in charge of the judiciary, so we've got Trump's crimes covered, especially if, the SCOTUS endorses a strong executive. 

    Practical implementation of the good, popular ideas will take place in the Congress.

     

    1. Good article, PH, even if your “diabolically cynical” phrasing made me think you were readying a circular firing squad attack on us much-maligned lefties. 

      So in your mind, which of the Presidential candidates is running on the popular progressive ideas? It looks to me like almost all of them are. Only a couple have the experience and credibility to get them done, and the charisma and relatability to get elected.

      1. All the top five are running on popular liberal ideas.

        I have no problem with Bernie pushing the less popular Medicare for All without private insurance. First of all, he won't be the candidate. The benefit is that he pushes the Overton Window to the left. The real point is branding the Democratic Party as supporting HEALTH CARE for ALL, not just Health Insurance for All.

        The Presidential candidate is the one who represents the Party Brand, not the platform nor the Congress. It is a no-brainer really: the Dem Presidential & VP Nominee takes the top 5 or 8 issues, puts them front and center. Ignore the ones that are less popular. (That's what Trump did; notice that he vowed to save Social Security?)

      2. It isn't a circular firing squad if all the Democrats united on one side. The other side is Third Way, Centrist Pundits and  Ex-Republicans. 

        I'm ignoring today's Republicans because they are irrelevant to the future. Or, there might be a beneficial side; like activated charcoal, Trump's Republican Party has collected all the bad juju in one place.

        2020 we hopefully get the Senate or other state-wide races across the country. Starting in 2022 or 2024, the demographics will be crushing Republicans in Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona and Florida.

    2. To mix metaphors: The NPR/PBS Marist poll shows us a Baker's Dozen Laundry List of popular policies:

      89% – 9% Background checks for all gun purchases, inc Shows and Private sales.
      70% – 25% Medicare for All as a Choice (Keeping Private Insurance)
      67% – 28% Government regulation of Prescription Drug Prices.
      64% – 33% Pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants
      63% – 32% Legalize Marijuana
      63% – 32% Green New Deal to address climate change
      62% – 34% Wealth Tax (Higher income tax rate above $1 Million.
      57% – 41% Ban on semi-automatic assault guns
      56% – 41% National minimum wage of $15/hour
      53% – 31% US Rejoin the Paris Climate Agreement
      53% – 43% Free college tuition at public colleges & Universities
      50% – 44% Carbon tax on coal, oil and natural gas
      44% – 50% Repeal Obamacare 

      1. Take the top 5 of that list, add in some protections for women's reproductive choices, do some sort of "national service" plan for younger people to get post-secondary education opportunities that will not bankrupt them, and promise to pay any new costs of those programs with increased taxes and you have a policy agenda. 

        Add in a promise to govern without tweeting insults, an end to a persistently confrontational foreign policy and trade policy, and a shift from a "war on terrorism" to "police response to international criminals."

        Top it all off with a commitment to climate action and environmental protection, with a promise to sign every action toward those two goals that the Congress can enact.

        1. Okay, this is weird. Either this poll is still running, or some other outfit is doing one a whole lot like it. I got a call this evening asking nearly identical questions.

          1. Sometimes, Cookie, firms use "tracking polls" where they do ask the same questions over several days, trying to see if events shifted opinions.  That may be what happened to you.

    1. Good.  Let’s all hope the Democrats eventually field a single candidate as good as Generic . . . 

       

      . . . instead of a dozen competing candidates who split the vote, leaving Yammybritches with a plurality and an EC majority!

  2. Pete Kolbenschlag wins again — Colorado man wins 3rd time in retaliatory speech lawsuit

    The Daily Sentinel reports that a three-judge panel of the Colorado Court of Appeals denied a petition by SGI Interests to have the full court consider complaint against Paonia resident Pete Kolbenschlag. …

    In June, the appeals panel upheld a lower court’s dismissal of the complaint as frivolous. On Thursday, it published its June ruling to add to legal precedent.

    1. On Thursday, that same appellate court denied an SGI Interests petition to rehear the case by the full court.

      Ain't no en banc review in the Colorado Court of Appeals, so a rehearing "by the full court" was never an option. However, the panel did indeed deny a petition for rehearing, and cock-slapped SGI by deciding to publish the opinion. It's a pretty good read too.

       

       

      1. “Corporations” are people.  . . .

        (Some fool, we can’t believe it either, but, who we’d probably gladly take today for 19 more months, as compared to our current stable genius)

        . . . you know like people, except who never ever die.

        We call ‘em “immortals” . . . 

        . . . or “zombies,” or “vampires,” or . . . 

        . . . any living being that never dies, doesn’t really matter what you call ‘em  — they’re all pretty much the same, when you think about it.

        They were wrong.  The last living thing to survive on this goddamn planet won’t be a cockroach, it’ll be some corporation.  SGIAmericanYamco, or something.

         

        . . . Never stop fighting the bastards, Pete!  

        (And, that’s what people do.  They may live forever, but that’s no reason to stop fighting.)

    1. Well, that is ONE poll.  he only needs three more at 2% or more to hit that half of the debate qualification in September.  The other half:  move from 13,000 donors to 130,000 donors, with 400 or more in each of 20 states.  

      #HickenlooperIsGiddy

  3. My fave is 60 votes closer to a landslide than your fave dept:

    The recount is over an mainstream Democratic DA candidate Melinda Katz beat uber-left Tiffany Cabàn by 60 votes out of more than 90,000 cast.  A bad day for AOC fans and Bernie Bros, since both leftie icons endorsed Cabàn.  

    Cabàn still asking court to count 100 more provisional ballots but observers expect this election to be certified Tuesday.

    the Revolution may have to wait a few more years.

      1. That is certainly one way of looking at it.

        There is another. Crowley and Lynch were asleep at the wheel in their 2018 primaries and to their credit, AOC and Pressley ran really competent races, picking these two off. And if any current incumbent is smart he, she or they will treat any challenger as potentially serious because – well, they just might be.

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