Weekend Open Thread

“All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.”

–Friedrich Nietzsche


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  1. MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

    Another  Republican Family Values  cheater-dude who isn't smart enough to know what he doesn't know.  

    The US Post Office ran the US Postal Savings System from 1911 to 1967, overseeing billions in deposits. 

  2. JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

    538.com had an article about Democratic Presidential primary debates yesterday, a clear explanation of the process of setting the field to 20.

    Colorado tie:  Hickenlooper apparently qualifies by the "polling" side of the selection, making him one of 18. 

    11 candidates have both sides, 6 more have polling only, 1 (Williamson) has money only.  [Apparently, at least 65,000 people want to have Marianne Williamson lead us "to let go of an old and tired political conversation and forge a new, whole-person, heart-centered political dynamic."]

    • VoyageurVoyageur says:

      We need to move beyond the failed policies of the past to the failed policies of the future.

    • kwtreemamajama55 says:

      Thanks for the link , JiD. I hadn't heard of Williamson before. The song Morissette wrote for her  is great; however,  governance experience and policy chops can come with a "heart-centered approach" – so I'm still promoting Elizabeth Warren for President.

      I wonder how much stamina voters will have – to watch 20 Democratic candidates debate, let alone research and read about their votes or policies. I'm about as wonky as they come, and it sounds exhausting.

      The Democratic winners  probably will be limited to those with charisma, name recognition, money, and the best media moments.

      • VoyageurVoyageur says:

        There were almost as many Republicans in 2016,MJ.  My wife and I and a judge friend of ours watched every minute of those debates, including the kiddy tables.   It was actually fascinating, in a train wreck way.

        It will thin out in a hurry after Iowa.  And we'll probably have a winner after South Carolina and California.

        Bernie is way way too old and seems to be fading early with your lady picking up some of his fans and now running third.  But are we really ready for Joe Biden, who, if memory serves, first ran with Henry Clay on the Whig ticket in 1824?

        My champion is Amy, but she seems more in line for veep if we do settle for biden.  My second choice, Kamala Harris, could crush Biden in South Carolina and California and go the distance.  Warren dies in South Carolina.

        Yes, I love Boot-the-judge but, no, we aren't ready for a gay, 37 year old small town mayor.


        Final five: Biden, Harris, Klobuchar, Booker and whoever wins the expectations game in Iowa.

        Final ticket:  Biden, Klobuchar. (I know that sucks but beating Stinky Boy is all important.)

        Alternative ticket Harris, Hickenlooper.  

        If we lead with a mixed race black/Asian woman, we need an old white guy for balance, but not too old. Hick fits the bill.

      • itlduso says:

        I just learned that Jeff Berman has signed onto Beto's campaign.  Berman was the delegate counting guru for Obama in '08 — a consummate pro in all delegate rules matters.  So, it's interesting to me that he has chosen O'Rourke.

        And, ten brownie points to anyone on this site who has heard of him.

        • MADCO says:

          printed the spread sheet when it leaked
          read his book after

          Maybe he chose Beto, maybe Beto chose him.
          Sometimes a paying gig is just a paying gig

          Is Pat Caddell going to get any work this cycle? Who picks Carville, Brazile, Wasserman-Schulz, Podesta, Doyle, Penn?
          Who gets the Davids?

          And- most importantly – who's going to choose CD6 winner Chris Rork?

          Who's gonna win Pennsyltuckey in the general?

          As for the D primary… what do Superdelegates get to do this time?
          It will be over  in March – if not the morning of the 4th, then the 17th (AZ, FL, IL)  (Standby for PUMA II, III, and IV)

          I will watch all the debates if it's possible.
          Likley not live – but PBS is online.

          And I will back off whoever Senator Franken endorses.  Otherwise- politics is hardball, bitches.

      • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

        I had the misfortune of sitting next to one of Marianne's cultist followers on a recent plane ride.  Three hours of my life I'm never getting back. 

        • VoyageurVoyageur says:

          The worst part is that it was only  a 20-minute flight.sad

        • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

          I'm wondering if some of the enthusiasts for Jill Stein went to the used book store, read one of the "New York Times best-selling books" that Williamson produced, and decided she is this election cycle's savior.


          • kwtreemamajama55 says:

            Not a lot of overlap in the Stein / Williamson Venn diagram – other than being white female Presidential candidates of approximately the same age. One's a Green Party Democratic Socialist – the other is a new age entrepeneur and self-help motivational speaker.

            From that article you linked to,  I went to another 538 article about Williamson. Apparently, most of Williamson's supporters bought a book, as you suggested, or went to / watched a seminar, ted talk, or youtube video. She also has a large following in the LGBT community because of her early work with HIV/AIDS charities.

            She has no shot at the nomination, nor should she, IMHO; but I think it's a symptom of the times that we're even discussing someone with zero political experience for the job of President.

            • VoyageurVoyageur says:

              Amen to that, MJ.  I don't

              know Williamson from Joe Flacco.  But if she's our nominee, she's a thousand times better than the skank in the White House now.

    • Genghis says:

      Williamson is pretty impressive in a way. She actually identified what's now known as the Dunning-Kruger effect and figured out a way to make bank on it back in 1992, a full seven years before David Dunning and Jason Kruger published their initial paper. Her schtick is more than a little wormy, but you've gotta admire the strategy and success.

  3. PseudonymousPseudonymous says:

    This is one of the people that Democratic leadership wishes would sit down and shut up.  It's all unicorns and ponies.  Oh, and the lives of the vast majority of Americans, of course.  Thread:

    Going from waitressing a year ago to now carries a LOT of life-adjustments.

    But 3 paychecks in has shown me how 1 of the greatest scams in US is the idea that financial struggle is due to “poor character.”

    It’s a huge myth designed to keep people from empowering themselves. /1

    — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) May 11, 2019

    • Curmudgeon says:

      Funny, isn't it? They claim to be tireless advocates of the hard-working, boot-strappy  real American, and then scoff at someone because they've actually had a blue-collar job. 

    • MADCO says:

      Stop putting her out front like the other RINO dupes and useful idiots.

      And telling her to sit down and shut up should include 15 or 16 other women announced as candidates.  Seriously- wear white at the SOTU, but shhhh, let the real leaders speak for us.


      • kwtreemamajama55 says:

        Like it or not (you won't)

        AOC is one of the "real leaders"

        She won't shut up

        nor should she ever.

        The "real leaders" get

        plenty of press

        Pelosi, Schumer, Harris, Cummings

        They're all over the media 24 7

        But they won't speak for those

        living on tips

        because they can't.


        My daughter's working

        (living on tips)

        right up until her due date

        because she must. It takes

        two incomes

        to live in Denver

        even in a tiny apartment

        or hadn't you noticed?

        Happy Mother’s Day.

        • VoyageurVoyageur says:

          I actually think waitressing is fabulous e perience for politics.  You have to deal with the public in all its glory, live by your wits, make old fools think you like them.  The man or woman that can do all that has much to teach the rest of us.

          So, AOC, take a bow.

          • The realistThe realist says:

            I've always believed EVERYONE should wait tables, since I did it for a while in my 20's. 

            • kwtreemamajama55 says:

              I was a terrible waitress, but a pretty decent teacher, which uses much of that same skill set (deal with the young public, live by your wits, make everyone think you like them, entertain, persuade, etc.) On top of that, we need to teach content, act as de facto social workers and cops, and now the right wing wants us to be security guards as well.

        • VoyageurVoyageur says:

          PS, mj, you appeared to be addressing Madco in your rebuke of AOC's critics.  I think he's actually trying to support her, albeit in his usual beat poetry way.  Seriously, with Madco you never know.  I certainl like AOC on balance , mainly because she's smart enough to listen to Pelosi, the real brains of this party.

          • kwtreemamajama55 says:

            I'm interpreting MADCO's poem as advocating that AOC should indeed "shut up and let the real leaders speak". Maybe he was being sarcastic and obscure. But I think I got it right.

            It pisses me off because I think that AOC is in fact one of our real leaders, speaking from lived experience for those who are seldom heard in Congress – young minimum wage workers.

            I've seen and heard some of the older African-American Congressional reps speak about growing up poor and working class – Maxine Waters, John Lewis, Elijah Cummings, and of course Barack Obama. For examples of others who didn't come from money and/or struggled in their early years, I only know of  Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden, and Bernie Sanders. I don't think it's a coincidence that those three are in the top five Presidential contenders.

            There's a real hunger for representation that understands that "the struggle is real".

            If the Democratic party is smart this year, it will play to that hunger, winning back the Trump base while valuing a working class that is diverse in gender, age, and ethnicity.


            • MADCO says:

              missed by 180

              I was responding to Pseudonymous says:
              I was saying that putting AOC, whom I love, out front is a freaking media play by RINOs and other useful idiots and Pseudonymous says:  should stop.

              Meanwhile – why just tell her to shut up and get to the back of the bus? Lots of women to push around and silence.

              • kwtreemamajama55 says:

                OK, MADCO….it's a little scary that V interpreted your writing better than I did. But it's good that you agree on the awesomeness of AOC. In a couple of election cycles, with some seasoning in governance, she'll be unstoppable. That's why the right wing is trying to cut her off at the knees now. They always think long term.

                • VoyageurVoyageur says:

                  MJ, You realize that we may now have a kind of Rosetta Stone for Madco?  A long beat poem purporting to trash AOC and an English translation by the man himself explaining that he only hurts the ones he loves?  If we forward this to the Kerouac Institute we may eventually be able to translate hundreds of previously indecipherable Madco postings!

                  What next?  A Turing Machine to decipher Diogenes?

                  • kwtreemamajama55 says:

                    I usually get Dio, possibly because my sense of humor is as weird as his.  I usually get MADCO, too – I just have to remember that he will "tell all the truth but tell it slant" as Dickinson recommends.

                    • MADCO says:

                      In the example at hand – it would help to also remember that
                      a) I often deny the premise of whomever I am responding to and do so by ignoring what they wrote to change the subject or sarcastically telling them to eat shit and stfu, not gratuitously, but because the logical, moral, ethical implication of what they said deserves it. That was true in this case.
                      b) I know people suck.
                      c) I acknowledge comedy is hard, but also have little to no patience when people don't realize how much they suck at comedy or anything else. I.e., I might just go for the punchline if they can't. Or the over the top sarcasm if they couldn't – esp if they are just too clueless to get it.

                      Let's say I do sport.
                      Obviously not football – football causes brain damage (CTE – anyone could look it up) and it is immoral to encourage participation

                      Let's say bowling.
                      Sure – I would love to throw twelve strikes in one game. Though twelve consecutive across two games would be amusing, and probably still enough to win.
                      But I would also find it amusing to get just one more point per frame than the opponent and win by 12, over and over and over.  Funnier still to announce that as my goal upfront, do it with a house ball while getting progressively drunker on whatever swill was on tap.

                      If while doing this the opponent could get so frustrated that he throws his personalized custom ball through a window or glass door into the freezing slush outside and the ball freezes and cracks in pieces…well, mess with the bull, you get the horns is just too polite. (cuz you also get hte hooves, balls, tail, teeth, etc)

                      I am so sick of rampant misogyny. The American version is so disappointing and infuriating.

                      If the American experiment has taught us anything, it should be we want accomplishment.

                      Opposition is never going to let up on whatever can create even the misperception of advantage and when ends are indifferent to means (Hang him! Lock her up! ) and raw power is to be admired and fed… things that shouldn't matter become the point.

                      I do not care about the gender of the next president. (Though a female next president would mean not the current guy – so that's a plus.)

                      Or the race, backstory, sexual orientation, religion, height, telegenicism, native languge, ethnicity, age, fashion sense, oratorical skills, etc. Except, of course, to the degree that any of those things affect electability.

                      Paul Simon's tie choice never bothered me, until I realized it was part of why he couldn't win. Likewise, Dennis Kucinich's craziness, Al Gore's inevitability and inability, John Kerry's wind surfing and pride, etc.

                      If I believed a female candidate was incapable of winning PA, MI WI or AZ – I would not want a female candidate in 2020. (I lean – I am currently undecided.)

                      But a good way to weaken or dismiss the female talent in the race is to find a woman to push out front and focus on taking her down – and by so doing, take down all women. 

                      See, Alyssa Milano and Jenny Mcarthy are just more crayzee women.
                      (All women are hysterical, and potentially crazy, why take that chance?)
                      At least they used to hot – the one running for office isn't even hot.
                      (A twofer! Women that aren't sexually attractive are less than, and aged women are just poinless)

                      I could go on – but I'm not hard to understand.

                      My heart is is the right place, I am usually right and pressed for time, and I know bs "ism" intended to weaken – in this case, cheap misogyny – when I see it.


  4. DavieDavie says:

    Perhaps there is a way to build a bridge to the disaffected voters\

    Trump backers applaud Warren in heart of MAGA country

    The liberal firebrand draws nods and even a few cheers on a trip through rural West Virginia.

  5. DavidThi808DavidThi808 says:

    Weather here in Tel Aviv is beautiful. Feels like Hawaii. Although the Mediterranean has no waves (by Hawaii standards).

    and it’s Eurovision baby!!!!!!!

  6. DavidThi808DavidThi808 says:

    And on a less important topic than Eurovision, please not Biden. That’s voting for the past and that’s a hard sell. I think a Harris/Warren ticket would be a compelling vision of the future.

    • Blackie says:

      Eurovision? About the only thing more boring then Eurovision is the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation — but it is a very close toss-up.

      Harris/Warren isn't even a starter package. With Biden's connections the rest of the Democratic contenders start out in third or fourth place and go down from there.


  7. Powerful Pear says:

    My choice is Tulsi Gabbard. At least we would have some beauty in White House with National security experience. The other females are too compromised.

    • Curmudgeon says:

      That's not at all contrived.  If you're fishing, the least you could do is put some proper bait on the hook. 

      • Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

        Maybe it's just a desperate cry for attention…

        or maybe he is just "naturally attracted to beauty"…

        Pear is still a T***pian…..aren't you PP?

        • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

          The other females are too compromised

          W.T.F. does that even mean?  Any one of those females would grind you and every other self-proclaimed patriot up like a stalk of limp celery in a Veg-O-Matic. 

          I'll take 'Stupid things white men say' for $100 Alex. 

    • PseudonymousPseudonymous says:

      Knocking one out to own the libs.

    • kwtreemamajama55 says:

      Stop the presses! You'd vote for Tulsi over Trump?!!!

      Well, she is much better looking than *Rump, and she does kind of hate Muslms like @rump does, but will she really MAGA the way you need MAGA?

      Can you survive without mobs yelling "Lock her up!" or "Build that wall!" ?

      • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

        I think Powerful Pear might back Gabbard because she actually DID something for a living and was willing to serve in the military, while Trump was fighting his own personal Viet Nam in Midtown Manhattan.

  8. kwtreemamajama55 says:

    Happy Mother's Day to all the moms, grandmas, moms to be, foster and surrogate moms (including single dads) ! Keep on trying to nurture a better world for the next generations…

    • MADCO says:

      Al day, every day.

      But for the Hallmark-ized, corporatized guilt and profit factory of the day – I stand with Anna Jarvis.

      We should rename it Anna Jarvis Day – and then I would renew my effort to celebrate it the popular way.

      My mom lives in another city, thousands of miles away. I was thinking of ordering a pizza delivered.

      • kwtreemamajama55 says:

        So I had to look up Anna Jarvis, the founder of Mother's Day. My kind of lady!

        Jarvis’s ideal observance of Mother’s Day would be a visit home or writing a long letter to your mother. She couldn’t stand those who sold and used greeting cards: “A maudlin, insincere printed card or ready-made telegram means nothing except that you’re too lazy to write to the woman who has done more for you than anyone else in the world.”

        She added: “Any mother would rather have a line of the worst scribble from her son or daughter than any fancy greeting card.”

        Add a phone call or snail-mail letter to that pizza, and you're home free.

  9. kwtreemamajama55 says:

    Rochelle Galindo is resigning, effective immediately. Her statement reads:

    State Representative Rochelle Galindo

    1 hr ·

    It has been the honor of my life to serve as the Representative for State House District 50. I have served my community to the best of my ability have given a voice for the underrepresented. With that, it is with great sadness that I announce that I will be resigning my seat as the Representative for State House District 50 effective immediately.


    Rep. Rochelle Galindo Announces Resignation

    (May 12) – Rep. Rochelle Galindo, of House District 50 announces resigation.

    “The allegations against me are false. That said, they will make my fight against the pending recall effort untenable. I will not put my constituents through what will surely be a recall campaign based on political smear tactics and false allegations. Instead, I will resign my seat as the elected representative of House District 50, effective immediately,” said Rep. Rochelle Galindo.

    Democratic leadership will undoubtedly appoint her replacement. This will force the opposition to admit their sleazy political motivations – it wasn't about her votes, it was about intimidating Democrats and trying to seize back Republican control.  It should discourage them from trying this same tactic in other districts, as they can expect the same result.

    Thanks to Rochelle, an effective legislator and a brave woman.

  10. notaskinnycooknotaskinnycook says:

    As I said on the dedicated thread, It's lousy, but she beat them at their own game. And a tip of the hat to Evie Hudak for showing the way.

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