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April 10, 2010 03:02 PM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Nothing sways the stupid more than arguments they can’t understand.”

–Cardinal de Retz

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  1. from the AP

    MONTCOAL, W.Va. – Searchers found four bodies deep in a West Virginia coal mine shattered by an explosion, raising the death toll to 29 and ending an excruciating week for families holding onto faint hopes that their missing miners had somehow survived.

    As you spend the weekend with your loved ones or attend a house of worship, say a prayer for the families who grieve.

    An appreciation for the rescuers who worked so hard under dangerous conditions and never gave up hope.

    1. They were going to a memorial to testify to the murder of thousands of Polish in Russia.

      Too bad our American miners (29 dead in all) weren’t earning their paycheck at a surface mine.

      Back to Colorado’s fiscal crisis, see the graph below that shows state and local government spending.

      Can we handle the cramdown costs on Colorado medicaid from Obamacare – fuck yeah, bring’em on. It wasn’t like we busted a nut bring 100,000 people onto medicaid with the hospital bed tax.

      So what if Colorado’s seniors have to coughed up $92,000,000 every year to pay for our excesses.

  2. about the character of the detaineres at Gitmo? It’s because they believe whatever they’re told by politicians from the right. Now, the truth is coming out, and they were wrong. Surprised? No me.

    Gosh it seems like just yesterday that everyone agreed that all the prisoners at Gitmo were the most dangerous men on earth. We knew they were lying. And they knew they were lying:

    George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld covered up that hundreds of innocent men were sent to the GuantГЎnamo Bay prison camp because they feared that releasing them would harm the push for war in Iraq and the broader War on Terror, according to a new document obtained by The Times.

    The accusations were made by Lawrence Wilkerson, a top aide to Colin Powell, the former Republican Secretary of State, in a signed declaration to support a lawsuit filed by a GuantГЎnamo detainee. It is the first time that such allegations have been made by a senior member of the Bush Administration.

    Colonel Wilkerson, who was General Powell’s chief of staff when he ran the State Department, was most critical of Mr Cheney and Mr Rumsfeld. He claimed that the former Vice-President and Defence Secretary knew that the majority of the initial 742 detainees sent to GuantГЎnamo in 2002 were innocent but believed that it was “politically impossible to release them”.

    General Powell, who left the Bush Administration in 2005, angry about the misinformation that he unwittingly gave the world when he made the case for the invasion of Iraq at the UN, is understood to have backed Colonel Wilkerson’s declaration.

    Colonel Wilkerson, a long-time critic of the Bush Administration’s approach to counter-terrorism and the war in Iraq, claimed that the majority of detainees – children as young as 12 and men as old as 93, he said – never saw a US soldier when they were captured. He said that many were turned over by Afghans and Pakistanis for up to $5,000. Little or no evidence was produced as to why they had been taken.

    He also claimed that one reason Mr Cheney and Mr Rumsfeld did not want the innocent detainees released was because “the detention efforts would be revealed as the incredibly confused operation that they were”. This was “not acceptable to the Administration and would have been severely detrimental to the leadership at DoD [Mr Rumsfeld at the Defence Department]”.

    Referring to Mr Cheney, Colonel Wilkerson, who served 31 years in the US Army, asserted: “He had absolutely no concern that the vast majority of GuantГЎnamo detainees were innocent … If hundreds of innocent individuals had to suffer in order to detain a handful of hardcore terrorists, so be it.”

    He alleged that for Mr Cheney and Mr Rumsfeld “innocent people languishing in GuantГЎnamo for years was justified by the broader War on Terror and the small number of terrorists who were responsible for the September 11 attacks”.

    He added: “I discussed the issue of the GuantГЎnamo detainees with Secretary Powell. I learnt that it was his view that it was not just Vice-President Cheney and Secretary Rumsfeld, but also President Bush who was involved in all of the GuantГЎnamo decision making.”

    Mr Cheney and Mr Rumsfeld, Colonel Wilkerson said, deemed the incarceration of innocent men acceptable if some genuine militants were captured, leading to a better intelligence picture of Iraq at a time when the Bush Administration was desperate to find a link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11, “thus justifying the Administration’s plans for war with that country”.

    But not to worry. None of those left at Guantanamo are among the innocent. There’s no need for any trials or anything. Really. They’re the worst of the worst this time, they promise. Just because the administration refused to release pictures of wartime abuse and atrocities because it would make the country look bad doesn’t automatically mean they would keep innocent people in prison because having trials would be politically difficult.

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