Tuesday Open Thread

“Objective journalism is one of the main reasons that American politics has been allowed to be so corrupt for so long.”

–Hunter S. Thompson


20 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. PseudonymousPseudonymous says:

    Second verse, same as the first…

    ‘Stop Sanders’ Democrats Are Agonizing Over His Momentum

    From canapé-filled fund-raisers on the coasts to the cloakrooms of Washington, mainstream Democrats are increasingly worried that their effort to defeat President Trump in 2020 could be complicated by Mr. Sanders, in a political scenario all too reminiscent of how Mr. Trump himself seized the Republican nomination in 2016.

    How, some Democrats are beginning to ask, do they thwart a 70-something candidate from outside the party structure who is immune to intimidation or incentive and wields support from an unwavering base, without simply reinforcing his “the establishment is out to get me’’ message — the same grievance Mr. Trump used to great effect?

    “There’s a growing realization that Sanders could end up winning this thing, or certainly that he stays in so long that he damages the actual winner,” said David Brock, the liberal organizer, who said he has had discussions with other operatives about an anti-Sanders campaign and believes it should commence “sooner rather than later.”

    The matter of What To Do About Bernie and the larger imperative of party unity has, for example, hovered over a series of previously undisclosed Democratic dinners in New York and Washington organized by the longtime party financier Bernard Schwartz. The gatherings have included scores from the moderate or center-left wing of the party, including Speaker Nancy Pelosi; Senator Chuck Schumer, the majority leader; former Gov. Terry McAuliffe of Virginia; Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Ind., himself a presidential candidate; and the president of the Center for American Progress, Neera Tanden.

    • Conserv. Head Banger says:

      Saw something on Yahoo News over this past weekend about Bernie going after Neera Tanden due to a perceived anti-Bernie write-up in the Center's newsletter. Didn't retain details; you'll have to google it if interested.

      • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

        Sanders going after someone who criticized him.

        WAPO/J Rubin: Sanders proves his critics right: Thin skin, sharp elbows and not a team player

        [Sanders is] targeting in a vitriolic letter the Center for American Progress, a left-leaning think tank that has advanced, for example, a health-care plan that expands Medicare but is distinct from the Sanders Medicare-for-all plan, and CAP Action Fund, CAP’s political arm.

        His letter takes issue with a posting by Think Progress, which is editorially distinct from CAP,…

        Sanders claims without example that CAP’s chief Neera Tanden has been “maligning my staff and supporters and belittling progressive ideas.” He also claims other progressives (including Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Cory Booker) have been maligned as well and ominously warns he is going to tell his supporters all about CAP’s role. He says if CAP were to “evolve” (cheer his socialist platform?), he would reconsider his views.

  2. PseudonymousPseudonymous says:

    Looks like a couple more senators-in-waiting have joined the race.

    John Walsh

    Dan Baer

    • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

      Gonna be a long line on The Big Line 2020.

      Pragmatically, how soon would people (esp. Neguse) need to decide in order to have a reasonable chance of success in the race?   And if Hickenlooper says:

      “I’m not cut out to be a senator,” said Hickenlooper, who added that he loves putting administrative teams together. “Senators don’t build teams. Senators sit and debate in small groups, which is important, right? But I’m not sure that’s my — I’m a doer. That’s what gives me joy.”

      does anyone really believe he's going to jump into the race?

  3. PseudonymousPseudonymous says:

    • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

      A fine example of why most people don't want to ask questions without knowing the answer.  But "news" people — even those on Fox — jump in.

      "How many are willing to transition to a government run system?" To a room of people, almost certainly NOT vetted to be like their wider audience, to include people strongly interested in Sanders, and without any details.  Funny that it happened — not a particularly good indicator of the overall judgment on the complexities involved.

      • Powerful PearPowerful Pear says:

        No surprise. Americans of all political persuasions are looking for answers to the high cost of health care. Obama Care failed ever deliverable advertised and lead to the extreme cost increases. Big Medicine, Big Doctors, Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Hospital’s, seized the opportunity to exploit the fire hose of revenue sanctioned by the Federal Government at the expense of patients.

        The question is where is the solution? Government that promoted a system of high cost, or something else. Until Republicans offer a plan, it is perfectly logical for people to consider the idea that is most talked about, Medicare for all. 

        Government will never be able to control cost of Medicare. Big Medical Lobby will always be successful in increasing “the Doctor fix” that will pop up each year.

        If voters want to adopt a failed Medicare system that will evolve into rationing of health care and poorer quality, that is a decision for voters to make.

        Medicare for all is like applying for a credit card with 50% interest. Economic slavery to the State.

        ”Choose wisely.”

        • MADCO says:

          Are you seriously advocating for the end of TRICARE and the VA healthcare system?

          Why do you hate vets?

        • Diogenesdemar says:

          C’mon??! . . .

          Until Republicans offer a plan,

          . . . it’s been close to a decade now,  and every Pfruit knows it’s as simple as their ABCs . . . 

          G is for:  Got nuthin’ (still)! — Never have. Never will.

          (. . . cuz’, “gubbermint is never the solution – gubbermint is the problem.” How freakin’ hard is it to remember that?! Dumbass.)

          You’re welcome.

          PS — here’s a little something else you’ve apparently also forgotten that’s sure to leave some orange streaks in your tighty-whitey MAGAroos — Obamacare was the Republican plan . . . (before it wasn’t).


  4. kwtreemamajama55 says:

    Trot out those talking points, Pear. You sure you don't want to throw in "death panels", too?

    The fact remains that a public health care option is what every other industrialized country has. The USA is backward in this regard, and needs to come into the twenty first century.

    Mostly what people are debating is not whether we should have a public health option, but how to transition to it, and how to preserve some private insurance for those who want it. Otherwise, there is near universal agreement that what we have now isn't working, that people are spending too much money for substandard care and dying from it, that the simplest solution is Medicare for All.


    • Powerful PearPowerful Pear says:

      Oh those death panels. https://www.ortl.org/2018/02/hb4135passedsenate/

      I love it when people use justification to be just like “every other industrialized country”, no need to be better, be just as bad, is good enough for Democrats. Wonder why Mick Jagger decided to have his heart valve replaced in the US……. NHS in the UK not quite good enough? 


      • Diogenesdemar says:

        FOXNews Alert . . . 

        “82,000,000 Uninsured and Underinsured Americans All Agree: America is the Greatest Country in the Entire World to Have Your Heart Valve Replaced In (. . . if you’re Mick Jagger).”

        . . . When you post stupid, stupid shit like Jagger’s heart valve, or ORTL death panel blargle blather, you’re not just pretending, are you Pfruit???

  5. Conserv. Head Banger says:

    Thanks for the link, MJ. There are two critical components missing from the several Medicare for All proposals.

    One is what happens to the 18 million persons who obtain Medicare coverage through private insurers (the Medicare Advantage plans). 

    Two, none of the plans, at least in your link, talk about personal responsibility in living healthy lifestyles. As the fittest state in the country, we in Colorado may take our lifestyle for granted. But even people in Mississippi and West Virginia can walk. One plan does talk about excise taxes on tobacco, alcohol, and sugary drinks, which is good.

    Overall, the buy-in proposals that make use of existing programs without raising taxes seem to be the best, plus the proposal by the Urban Institute which does have a modest tax increase.

    When you say "the simplest solution," I'm reminded of Amendment 69 in 2016 that would have tripled my state taxes and provided nothing in return. 69 hasn't been forgotten, especially since it lost by a 22% to 78% margin. 

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