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January 20, 2010 04:29 PM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“For them to perceive the advantage of defeating the enemy, they must also have their rewards.”

–Sun Tzu

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28 thoughts on “Wednesday Open Thread

  1. A recent Onion tweet.

    Now it should be “Democrats almost controlled congress for six months.”

    The United States is almost third world in its politics now.  One faction being obvious puppets for the uber-rich and the corporations, the other faction cowering from their own shadows so they don’t get assassinated.  

    The only thing that keeps me voting Democratic is knowing that I’m voting against the Republicans.  It sure isn’t pro-Dem, at least with the choices given me.  

        1. Markey is cratering in the polls and you want her job or you are jonesing for the LTGuv position.

          Is Markey cratering that bad?  I mean she voted YES every step of the way to get the Obamacare bill to the floor and then voted YES on the floor to every Pelosi Obamacare amendment, but alas she voted NO on the final product after the TEAM decided they could protect her and still pass that turd.

          Now that’s a lot of inside baseball, but the fact is she voted YES on Obamacare before she voted NO and that’s a concern that shows she really isn’t working for her district.

      1. .

        Then we reelect the incumbents.  

        What does your Representative stand for ?  Mine is all about reelection.  100%.  Devoted to being a partisan team player.  Issues, like voters, are things to be manipulated to get into office, or to hold onto office.  

        With two (or more) colonial wars destroying our international reputation, my Representative brags about forcing the DHS ICE to open up a 9-person office in the Springs, as though that would turn the tide of illegal immigration, or gangs, or drugs.  And somehow the voters convince themselves that he cares about protecting us, while his financial backers nearly drown in their surpluses of cash.  

        Angie, the voters have no use for you, if you can’t promise them sunshine and lollipops, or scare the bejeezus out of them.  I think your conscience disqualifies you from getting elected.

        .

        1. I have always said governing should be about WHAT’S right, not WHO’S right. I tried my best to legislate from that perspective… and always said what I meant, meant what I said so I think this:

          Angie, the voters have no use for you, if you can’t promise them sunshine and lollipops, or scare the bejeezus out of them.  I think your conscience disqualifies you from getting elected.

          is a compliment, no?

          1. .

            though I am at the far opposite end of the spectrum, to the extent the left-right dichotomy has any validity,

            I cringed (in sympathy) at the beating you took at the Congressional level, because you put your heart, your love and your passion into your campaign, instead of being the cool, calculating velociraptor that usually wins these sorts of contests.  

            It may be stupid of me to come right out and say it, but voters don’t really want to be represented by someone like themselves.  They want to believe that some among us are our benevolent superiors, and that this aristocracy of intellectuals (or whatever it is that they have in common) are the philosopher kings entitled to govern us.  

            So election campaigns are about showing that a candidate is one of these elite, without being snooty about it.  You failed to even attempt that.  

            I acknowledge that I know nothing of your campaigns or service at the state level.  But I think being genuine can win at the level of the state leg, but not for a gig in DC.

            .

        2. Would it help if

          we return to the approx represntation ratio we had a century ago?  (435 Reps & senators ~ 100 million citizens)

          or

          we drew our Reps like we draw jury duty?

          or what?

          1. .

            The incumbents couldn’t.  Loss of power.  They’d never go for it.  Besides, that would destroy the one party system.  

            Drawing names out of a hat doesn’t sound half bad.  

            I don’t understand politics as well as the average Colorado Polster, but I think Angie was on the right track when she ran a serious campaign against “the system.”  Even 3rd party yahoos who at least try to engage the incumbents in serious debate contribute.  

            I believe that seniors have the most influence in elections, and they are motivated by fear more than anything else.  

            Fear of change to Medicare is a potent weapon that will be used a lot this Fall.  

            The rest of us vote for who we would like to be friends with.  

            It produces some counterproductive results.  

            But until folks believe that the sky really is falling, I don’t see this changing.  

            Oops.  Maybe shouldn’t have said that.  Now the Alaska GOP is going to crank up HAARP to make pieces of the ionosphere fall to the ground in Texas.

            .  

            1. that the current buildings for the House and Senate could accomodate 1000 unless you really want them confined like sardines or without staff.

                1. Right now everyone gets their podium time.  Increase the size of the House and you just keep the time limited by proponent groups; let the strongest voices on each issue state the case.  The House already makes some pretty interesting rules for debating issues – it wouldn’t be any worse with the larger House.

  2. And that, I think, was the handle-that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn’t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting – on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. . . .

    So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark – that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.

    Hunter S. Thompson, “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas”

    1. Is that if you are not a feminist, gay, pro-choice, or Haitian (or living in NO), you have nothing to fear from earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, or meteors.  God only brings these plagues on the “others.”  So you can live as you like, with no concern for the suffering (because they brought it on themselves), and, by the way, send me money, ’cause that makes god happy too.

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