As the Grand Junction Sentinel reports:
The head of a free-market think tank wants Colorado to opt out of whatever health care measure Congress ends up approving.
Jon Caldara, president of the Golden-based Independence Institute, filed language Friday for a proposed ballot question this fall that would give Coloradans the right not to purchase health insurance.
Using the slogan, “Obama Care. Hell No, Colorado Won’t Go,” Caldara hopes to get a new amendment tacked onto the Colorado Constitution that he’s calling the “right to health care choice.”
He said mandating all Americans to have health care insurance is a violation of states’ rights…
Michael Huttner, executive director of the Democratic-leaning advocacy group Progress Now, said Caldara’s measure will go nowhere.
“This is nothing more than the right wing and their corporate interests trying to take shots at the Obama administration,” Huttner said. “It’s a sham. The people of Colorado are smarter than this. When they learn who’s behind it … they will learn that this is a complete farce.”
Huttner said the ballot question was drafted by the Phoenix-based Goldwater Institute, a sister think tank to the Golden group, and is being pushed in at least 10 states. Arizona already placed the idea on its 2010 ballot.
Caldara’s proposal first will have to be reviewed by nonpartisan staff in the Colorado Legislature and then by the Secretary of State’s Office to see if it meets the minimum legal requirements to qualify for the ballot “and the inevitable legal challenges,” Caldara said…
History buffs will remember, of course, the Nullification Crisis of 1832 between the federal government and the state of South Carolina–which ended when South Carolina realized that the federal government has something called “the army,” and declaring that federal law doesn’t apply in your state is therefore not really advisable. The FreedomWorks article we linked to above tells a story a little more favorable to South Carolina, but our version is closer to the bottom line.
A little less than thirty years later, South Carolina learned this “nullification” lesson more directly. Several Supreme Court decisions had already affirmed the superiority of federal law to state law by that time, but you might say the Civil War definitively put an end to the question.
Until Jon Caldara! Are we the only ones who find that entirely appropriate? Never mind that this initiative doesn’t have a hope in hell of surviving a court challenge, and may not even get by initial nonpartisan review. Not like court challenges after passage (or failure at the polls, for that matter) would matter anyway–as long as it’s on the ballot, Caldara’s job is done. No folks, this one’s all about firing up the base, and should be tremendous fun to watch. “Hell no, we don’t want health insurance!” That’s not the exact rallying cry, of course, but what are these middle-class (or better) suburban conservatives who back the Independence Institute going to do? Cancel the insurance they in all likelihood have now out of spite? It’s one of those ideas that sounds good for the first two paragraphs, then stops making any sense–which summarizes Caldara himself pretty well.
One exception to the discomfort this initiative might cause rational individuals would be Scott McInnis, he and his bromance hunting partner Rick “Texas Can Secede” Perry will probably love the idea of nullifying “Obamacare”–at least until after the primary.
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I agree with Mr. Caldara,
All americans should have the right of not having insurance. No matter how you word it, it is expensive. Yoo may think that because your employer has to pay the largest share of it that it is great.
Just remember, he is now paying out more, do you think you will get as big of an wage increase in the future?
I am tired of being told what I have to do.
I thought this was a free country, If I do not want insurance and want to risk losing everything I have when I get sick, so be it.
It should be up to me to make that decision.
if you get sick and have to go to the emergency room because you have no primary care doctor, and no insurance to pay the hospital?
if coverage isn’t mandated, pre-existing conditions can’t be covered. Otherwise people wouldn’t sign up until they got sick.
And we can’t settle for just taking everything you own. We still have to take care of you after you are broke. Even Caldera’s dream society won’t let people bleed to death in the streets. Right? (Right?!)
It leaves more money for corporate bailouts.
completely divorcing healthcare from employment so no employee mandate. If employers want to offer a plan fine, if not fine. One way or other everybody has to get insurance (mandate) with an affordable, good basic care public option open to all and private plans available either instead of or to supplement public option. Complete freedom of choice independent of career choices. But since we’re not getting anything close to that at the moment what Emma Anne says makes sense.
and it’s not like you’ll end up on medicaid and welfare and mooching off us taxpayers if you guess wrong, is it? You “rugged individualists” always go the AIG route when your crazy risks backfire.
Do you think people should not be required to have liability insurance?
Putting a confederate flag on a piece about Caldera is the equivalent of the “Swastika guy” idiot Pols always whines about.
Stupid.
It’s exactly like it. That flag represents much more than nullification or secession.
It’s just as stupid as people saying ‘the way Obama is taking control of the banks is just like the Nazis. Sure, he doesn’t want to kill 6 million Jews, but other than that it’s exactly the same.”
I expect better from this site. If I want to see stupid shit like that, I’ll go to Malkin’s site.
I’d love to hear your historical explanation for its creation, its cause, and those who held it high as they marched against the United States of America in support of the values you’re now going to enlighten us about.
Caldara is the stupid one here, posturing for donations, publicity, influence but certainly not for bringing better healthcare to the citizens of Colorado. I am reminded of another like him, who I stood behind in line to see the Ghenkis Kahn exhibit…..J. Andrews. I admit to listening in as he spoke to his friends and family with him…..about 6 people in all. I was struck because it was all about publicity and J. Andrews.
Now, you can stake a claim as arbiter of style and substance on this site, but don’t expect a lot of us to buy into your credibility, any more than we buy into the credibility of the “ideas” of the likes of Caldara.
Caldara is all about posturing, not really my bag.
But, associating a Confederate flag with someone is character assassination, even if you are only claiming it’s the secessionist piece of the movement, and you know it.
Correction: either that’s bullshit or a whole bunch of your favorite GOPer politicos have assassinated their own character.
Or wait, you think they’re all “idiots” or whatever, don’t you? Whichever Republican does something wrong, you immediately “disown them, but…”
But that won’t stop you from cheering them on next time you see them up in the polls, will it?
Really, next time I call you a hypocrite, don’t say I’m being gratuitous.
…the Confederate flag is an insult. Used by R’s or D’s.
What’s hypocritical about that?
You didn’t read the Freedom Works article they linked to closely enough.
Why can’t you just accept that these people, including Caldara, are radicals and the rebel flag is appropriate? Or were all those Republicans who voted against getting rid of the Star and Bars from southern flags for years because of all the other stuff it stood for (nullification, state’s rights, secession) full of shit? You always try to have these things both ways, LB. Pick one.
BTW, did you condemn Rick Perry for talking about Texas seceding? Don’t get me wrong, I say they can go if they want, and all you Galties can join him.
It’s not the secession topic that bothers me. It’s what the Confederate flag primarily represents that bothers me.
Secessionist talk is like talking about UFO’s.
WTF? Is that seriously how you excuse it? Seriously?
It’s not going to happen. Interesting/silly to talk about, but not a threat to the Union like it was in the 19th century.
The last time the people of South Carolina asserted their sovereignty, it was about their state’s right to allow the keeping of slaves.
That didn’t work out so well for them, or for anyone else either.
But a whole lot of lives were lost.
But it certainly is a symbol of nullification and secession. Anyone who makes common cause with the secessionist Perry, not only shouldn’t mind being connected with the confederate flag but ought to be proud of it.
In fact, lots of southern conservatives are proud of it and fight for the right to fly it over their capitols and court houses and do still fly it. So your equating it with the Nazi swastika doesn’t say much for all the Republicans who either fly it or defend the right of others to fly it and is in fact, ridiculous. Not saying there isn’t an overlap between fans of each but that’s another point altogether.
Tancredo was happy to appear with it singing Dixie. Maybe Caldara would be too. As for you up on your high horse, LB, up yours right back atcha.
either way, the point is well established that state’s pay when they they opt out of Federal policies, often at the point of a Federal gun.
Jackson actually DID mobilize the US Army in ’32, as did Washington in 1794. Hmmm, you think DoD might like to use ALL of Colorado as a training area?
neither does it help the discussion or help focus the piece. In other words, it’s unwarranted. And because it’s unwarranted, and inflammatory and suggestive, it’s inappropriate.
Ever since I’ve understood the Confederacy, I’ve found the Confederate flag offensive. (Yes, I think Mississippi should be required to take it off of their state flag.) In it’s place, in context, when it helps the discussion or focuses the point, it seems necessary or at least useful. Otherwise, it makes me want to burn Atlanta to the ground again.
You lack the courage of your convictions. You hide behind Caldara then whine when he gets a taste of his own medicine.
Don’t bring the Confederate flag around and expect me not to call you on it. Left or right.
I wasn’t at that rally.
First, Caldara never ceases to disgust me. I am thoroughly sick of this man shitting on my rights to GOTV. I don’t even really care if this measure is against federal law and doesn’t have a hope in hell of holding up in court–that’s not the point. I’m sick of him wasting the voters time on issues that are just designed as a means to an ugly end.
Second, attaching a Confederate flag to this article is disgusting. Period. There’s no wiggle room on this one and if you think there is and you’re actually wasting your fucking time defending it with the whole “historical secessionist” angle, I pity you. And then I ask you to ask any person of color what the Confederate flag means to him and try not to turn red with shame when you start explaining to my friends that this flag doesn’t mean exactly what it means to them and why it is still one of the most offensive images in modern day history.
Just because Southern bigots are proud of this flag and still fly it doesn’t make it any less insulting to African Americans and to my intelligence when it is used to stir people up–which is ironic, since stirring people up is precisely what Caldara is using his ballot initiative for.
It’s not inappropriate used to call out the Independence Institute. If you knew as much about them, and some of their particular staff, you would not be as upset or find it out of line.
Just don’t cutely saddle someone with being a racist unless you’re ready to back it up exactly and clearly.
Amendment 46.
I guess the Pols didn’t think it was worth arguing about, but I’m irritated that Glenn Beck can say any crazy offensive thing he wants to millions of people and our side gets bent out of shape over completely defensible (if confrontational) analogies.
I’m going to do something nonpolitical for awhile, see you guys later.
You are seriously pissed because Pols took down a racist symbol that had little or nothing to do with their topic?
Who the fuck was saying anything positive about Glenn Beck, or when did he use a racist symbol to make an unrelated point?
And that’s all I’ve got to say.
Can’t share your outrage. Many of the nullification/secession crowd do identify with the confederate flag and are racist bigots. Complain to them, the ones who proudly display it, not to Pols for recognizing the connection. If you talk secession and or nullification, there is nothing wrong with being paired with the flag still held dear by those who see it as a symbol a great and noble lost cause: the War of Secession.
LB’s hysterical comparison of the confederate flag to the swastika is inaccurate, not because it is less reprehensible, but because it can’t be an insult to connect people with it who themselves take pride in it. If it were really looked upon in exactly the same light as the swastika, would any state still use it on their flag? Of course not.
Unlike the swastika, a large segment of US citizens and their government entities are still proud of the confederate flag and the cause it represented. If they want to fly it, nobody has the right to whine that it isn’t fair to connect them with it. If you talk nullification/secession crap you deserve to be connected with it. LB is being a sanctimonious self righteous jerk.
On every point of your comment, just no. But thanks for your reply. Too bad LB’s the one that’s got it right here–how embarrassing for the liberals on this site, except for Pols, which had the decency and common sense to pull the image.
by individuals and government entities? No, it doesn’t stand for secession and nullification? No, the fact that it is still part of a state flag doesn’t mean that state does not consider it an insult to be connected with it? No, many R elected officials refuse to oppose it’s continued presence in the south, defending it as a symbol of heritage?
I get that, regardless of the facts I’ve used to back up my view you still reject it and that is completely valid. I don’t get the no to all points part.
If the amendment passes in Colorado, there will more than likely be a Constitutional test. If the SC finds that the feds cannot mandate participation in any social insurance plan, then the next fight will be to make social security voluntary.
Caldera is on the air, KOA, 15 hours a week. The station broadcasts all over the state, and Caldera and the Independence Institute do not pay a penny for that free air time during which Caldera promotes his amendment.
There is another emerging strategy on the Republican airwaves. People are being urged to vote “NO” on retention of all judges. This would allow McInnis, if elected, to appoint all Republicans to the Colorado bench. This would have wide reaching implications for reapportionment as well as other key state constitutional issues.
Remember: The Republicans do not have to PAY a red cent to reach most Colorado voters. They just get on their radio and broadcast. The Democrats have to spend money to create phone banks and websites and emails to get their message out.
Democrats are currently gathering in small groups to plot…against each other. Republicans are claiming the country.
…that we Democrats somehow took over and own the Internet where we get to post our point of view 24/7.
For a variety of reasons talk radio works well for the right wing. We’re not going to win there. But for a variety of reasons the web works well for the left (us good guys).
Don’t fight the battle you will lose, fight the one you will win. It’s good to have some voices from the left on the radio, but our big effort should be to leverage the web – and continue our dominance on it.
Because the web has more power than talk radio come election day.
If the Web works so well, why are the repubs ahead in ALL the polls? If the Web works so well, why are the Repubs framing all the debates? If the Web works so well, why don’t we have immigration reform? In-state tuition for undocumented kids who have been here for five years? Ritter running for re-election? Villafuerte as US Attorney? Health care reform?
Election day is far too late. The web costs too much money.
The radio airwaves belong to all of us; we just gave them away to the Republicans.
Because we have a mediocre candidate who assumed the general election was a gimme and stopped working after the primary.
As to the laundry list, this stuff takes time. If we hold the Governor’s office and a majority through another 2 election cycles you’ll see the Dems in the legislature becoming a bit braver.
You’re behind in Mass because people aren’t stupid. hey know that legislation that has to be done secretly and with bribes is not good legislation.
If Ted Kennedy’s seat goes, Bennet might as well just switch parties if he wants to keep his gig.
Unlike how Tom DeLay & Jack Abramoff ran things…
The joke is that R rules made Delay resign from leadership on indictment. What has that indictment brought? Oh. Nothing. It was all political.
Meanwhile, Rangel sits in his chairmanship, counting his uncounted money and making the rules the rest of us have to follow.
If he’s counting it – it’s counted.
As to DeLay, he may not have been convicted but he was clearly corrupt. And they rammed things through with less discussion than you see today.
Because he keeps finding large stashes of assets that he’s oops! Hee hee! forgotten to tell the IRS about.
If Delay was so clearly corrupt, why hasn’t there even been a trial, let alone a conviction?
How are the dems going to hold the Governor’s office and a majority through another 2 election cycles. Just exactly how is that going to be done?????? Tell me. You live in the Boulder, most of the voting world does not.
You are right about a candidate who did not run a good campaign. BUT she was ahead by thirty points at Thanksgiving and THEN,Republican Talk Radio Nation took her on….targeting the race and told everyone to send money to Brown. It was just a week ago, today, that I posted my concern about the MA outcome. Did I get that from a msg from dems on the web? Nope, I was listening to Wild Bill Bennet on the radio summing up the strategy and marshalling the troops for the all out last week’s battle…
It is impossible to have a democracy when one party controls the public airwaves, whether it is in the United States or in Venezula.
It’s because most Americans lean left. Keep the net neutral and information freely flowing if not always free, and the internet will lean left too.
I think Americans have a strong libertarian streak and we by and large worship at the alter of free enterprise. Along with that there is a strong liberal component.
I think that combination is what gets a lot of people confused because it’s partially conservative and partially liberal – so each side looks to the part they like and ignores the other parts.
Stream Caldera, tonight, on your computer…850KOAam….
remember, that broadcast goes out to 38 states. Listen to him. Remember he does that for 15 hours a week. Then tell me that is not power.
Remember, Caldera only has 15 hours a week of the 80 hours a week which local Republican/Libertarians can attack the dems in general and the state assembly and Obama in particular. That does NOT count the national talk show hosts like Beck and Limbaugh..etc.
I feel like Paul Revere trying to sound the alarm…god knows, I am old enough to almost remember him…
But I also think a lot of what they do is preach to the choir. The big damage they do is make the political sphere more strident.
The thing is, we need to fight back in the most effective way and that is rarely to charge into your opponents strength.
Listen to him on the radio.
Radio is magic. Signals bouncing off the ionosphere (at least on the West Slope). Besides, you don’t have to be sitting in front of the damned computer.
so isn’t the best expert on its reach or effect.
Although that’s how wifi and bluetooth work.
Different frequencies, but it’s still radio.
I fully support anything Caldara wants to do. He might fire up the base on the right, but “gov killer” amendments like his will fire up the middle and left also.
I’m looking forward more and more to working on campaigns this fall. From the Senate Republicans and “Party of No” to incompetent county commissioners, it should be a good season.
Now if I just had some paying projects, it would all be good.