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December 22, 2009 04:30 PM UTC

Tuesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Experience is a comb which nature gives to men when they are bald.”

–Chinese proverb

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  1. Dyanmic. “Leader on health care.” More about this young dynamo from Monday’s Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/

    The National Republican Senatorial Committee: Strategists at the Senate GOP campaign arm were rejoicing over the weekend with the news that targeted Democrats including Blanche Lincoln (Ark.) and Michael Bennet (Colo.) were going to vote for the measure. Unlike Nelson or even Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu (D), who is up for reelection in 2012, neither Lincoln nor Bennet got anything major in exchange for their vote — meaning they could face the blowback from those unhappy with the legislation in their respective states without an accompanying sweetener to make the bill more palatable.

      1. that Michael Bennet is a “leader” in the health care movement, indeed a “leader” in the Senate. It’s not a question of “honest.” He voted for the bill that benefited insurance companies almost exclusively without extracting any concessions–either for people in general or for people of Colorado in particular.

        So now he’s left saying, “I was agin’ it, but I voted for it.” Real Mr. Bennet goes to Washington sort of stuff.

          1. Sen Bennet was involved with amendments which seek to find cost containments and make sure the thing gets paid for with some accountability.

            This also isn’t the final bill.

        1. I think a mojority of us would agree that it isn’t what we would want in true health care reform. I caught Senator Bennet on E-SPAN just once, and he was saying many things I agreed with, but lacked any fiery oratory/passion IMHO.

          The story is still being told, and in the immortal words of Shakespeare, “All’s well that ends well.”

          There’s much work to do on this legislation. Keep the pressure on our Senator’s. I asked Udall’s campaign why he voted against the drug reimportation bill, and never received an answer.

          Ralphie, surely you can do better than the turds comment.

    1. “Rejoicing?” Are Repub strategists that deluded in their secret bunker that this is good news?

      I don’t know which is more laughable – this, or Michael Steele’s new brilliant idea that he can move in on the Teabaggers and ride their crazy to victory in ’10….

      http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo

        1. From our fine Hometown Newspaper, which has a clue about Western Politics:

          Responding to a column in The Washington Post criticizing Bennet for not extracting his own concessions, the freshman lawmaker responded in his speech that “only in Washington would someone be attacked for not negotiating a backroom deal. Just because others choose to engage in the same tired Washington ritual doesn’t mean that I have to.”

          http://www.denverpost.com/ci_1

          And THAT kind of answer wins over independents in this State….

          1. How do you know your Senator is doing something right? When the Republican Party criticizes you for not taking kickbacks, payoffs and bribes to buy your vote.

            From Senator Bennet’s speech on the floor of the Senate:

            So I have a message for the columnists, the political professionals, and those back home.  I am not happy about the backroom deals.  I am not happy that the public option was held hostage by people in our own party. I do not support rewarding delay with special deals.  I will let others justify their vote and their tactics.  

            1. .

              really know what makes independents tick.  You’ve both been in the tank for so long, that someone can call themselves, for example, “middle of the road,” and you accept that they are, at face value.  

              Independents read this site every day.  Occasionally, one will post here, and stray from the progressive orthodoxy.  BAM, as Emeril might say.  Independent thinking is not so welcome here.  

              …..

              Since I’m on that topic, let  me drop it and veer off into outer space:

              disregarding the lofty oratory, and the insubstantials like the Nobel Prize or “cash for clunkers,” how is Obama governing any different than McCain would have ?

              They serve the same masters.

              http://www.juancole.com/2009/1

              .

                1. The Dow Jones would be at 500, and Sarah Palin would be trying to get him to launch an invasion of Russia so she could expand Alaska into the Asian continent.

              1. A McCain presidency would’ve gladly fed both the Iraq and AFPAK meatgrinder with glee. No plan, no strategy, just another endless war in the grand traditional of the Repub Party.

                1. .

                  up to now, the only troops pulled out of Iraq have been sent East to Afghanistan,

                  bringing the number in Iraq down to about the pre-Surge level.  Exactly what McCain promised.

                  And in Afghanistan, there have been 3 surges since he took office.  Based on his “Plan,” we will reassess in 2011, which allows for continued escalation to Vietnam-like levels.

                  Obama has already TRIPLED the number that Bush left there.

                  Golly, if you count “civilians” under arms, by next summer we’ll have 250,000 foreign combatants there, where Westmoreland was before he got Johnson to escalate past half a mil.  

                  No, Obama is a bigger warmonger than McCain ever was.  Only a committed fan could call what he announced 3 weeks ago a “plan.”  I call it a “rationalization.”

                  .

              2.  in part with rhetoric in part by becoming more belligerent to Iran, even to the point of provoking or starting a shooting war with them.

                With this Congress, McCain would have made no effort on health reform.

                McCain would have wanted to extend the Bush tax cuts and avoid fixing the estate tax.

    2. And I wish I knew what his thinking was so I could decide whether to agree with you  or not. I wish a major media outlet would focus on a jr Senator from Colorado enough to get his quote or that the Senator would make a leadership move and find a public forum where his message will be heard..

      Oh, wait…. this just in from the Washington Post with a better link: http://voices.washingtonpost.c

      Bennet slams inside deals, lays out a blueprint for vulnerable Democrats

      1. Appointed Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet (D) took to the Senate floor on Monday to explain his vote in favor of the health care measure

      He explained his reasoning that resulted in a yes vote. He went one step further to criticize some of how it got done.

      Yes, the NRSC jumped on his explanation as a sign of weakness. Their spin is a little torturous. Your’s is just ….useless.  

      Yes- I agree with the  NRSC that his seat is in play.  I know, I know they just don’t understand CO politics. But neither do many of the Colorado Democratic Party organizations.  Even in races with not-great candidates, the R will be energized in 2010 unlike 2008. And there is no excitement form the D top of ticket to motivate turnout.  

      No I don’t agree with the NRSC (or McCain or McConnell or BoulderRepublican) that voting for health care reform is a death sentence for D campaigns because people don’t want it.  It could be a death sentence if frustrated, self centered D’s stay home.

      1. THE NUCLEAR INDUSTRY WILL SETTLE FOR 25-30 NEW PLANTS BY 2030

        By Michael Kanellos

        Seeking Alpha

        “To meet the current goals for greenhouse gas emissions, the U.S. would have to build 187 new nuclear plants by 2050, according to former New Jersey Governor Christine Todd Whitman, who now co-chairs the Case Energy Coalition, which advocates increased nuclear power in the U.S. But the industry will settle for 25 to 30 by 2030, she said. That would be enough to meet the expected growth in demand for electricity in the U.S. while keeping nuclear around 20 percent of the mix. The U.S. currently has 104 reactors. Although a commercial reactor hasn’t been built in decades here, a new wave of reactors appears to be becoming financially, technically and politically possible, she added. 32 new nuclear plants at 21 sites have already been proposed for the U.S. “It can be done. They’ve done it in the past, building four to five a year,” she said. The first new reactor might go up in the U.S. in six to seven years. “We are still going to need baseline power,” she added.”

          1. This was particularly interesting from the article:

            “After it has been used as fuel for power plants, the element leaves behind minuscule amounts of waste. And that waste needs to be stored for only a few hundred years, not a few hundred thousand like other nuclear byproducts. Because it’s so plentiful in nature, it’s virtually inexhaustible. It’s also one of only a few substances that acts as a thermal breeder, in theory creating enough new fuel as it breaks down to sustain a high-temperature chain reaction indefinitely. And it would be virtually impossible for the byproducts of a thorium reactor to be used by terrorists or anyone else to make nuclear weapons.”

            And then, another cost of war here:

            “Weinberg and his men proved the efficacy of thorium reactors in hundreds of tests at Oak Ridge from the ’50s through the early ’70s. But thorium hit a dead end. Locked in a struggle with a nuclear- armed Soviet Union, the US government in the ’60s chose to build uranium-fueled reactors – in part because they produce plutonium that can be refined into weapons-grade material. The course of the nuclear industry was set for the next four decades, and thorium power became one of the great what-if technologies of the 20th century.”

            I’ll be watching for more developments around Thorium.

            Thanks again.

  2. Not saying that DC-based writers have no clue about western politics.  But.  Oh yea, that’s exactly what I’m saying.  I lived in NY and DC for a bit inside 10 yrs and most journalists in those markets couldn’t even put CO, UT, MT, WY, ID, and NM in their proper places on a map.

        1. You should know better, too.

          First, if the site gets blacklisted as a scam site, the link to your page might actually count as a mark against your site.

          Second, having your text duplicated dilutes the search results for your own site.  A single link from a site not showing up in the top twenty results for “Michael Bennet Interview” isn’t going to offset that.

          Third, why lend your name and writing to someone who might be scamming?  Are you one of those people who buy stuff spammers are offering just because this one time it’s something you want?

  3. My youngest is a Senior at Fairview taking mostly IB classes – straight A’s.

    My middle is a Junior in pre-med at CSU – straight A’s.

    (My oldest is a couple of years out of school – but she rocks at her job.)

    Personally I think it all comes down to good fathering 🙂

  4. Here is the link:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30

    Charlie Cook on Hardball, tonight, said Bennet is one of the top five most endangered Senators.  Why? Cook said that the governnor appointed him and party regulars wanted him to appoint the mayor of Denver, Wellington.  Then, Cook said, “Bennet will have a tough opponent in Gail Norton.”

    1. is well respected in DC because people in DC have no fucking idea what’s going on in the rest of the country, and they think he does for some insane reason.  He is the incubator of the DC echo chamber

      1. ass-hat is an over used description anymore, but if the hat fits…

        seriously, he is often right at the most superficial levels, which can sometime be the most useful in electoral analysis.

        But for significant analysis or more depth- well, he needs a hat.

    2. We know that’s stupid because we live here, but it’s amazing to think how much of punditry on any topic is just pure Google-it-in-two-minutes-on-your-phone-during-commercial-break bullshit.

      Wellington the Mayor? I thought we got over that style of address once Joe the Plumber got his 15 minutes.

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