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December 01, 2009 04:47 PM UTC

Tuesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“The only shame is to have none.”

–Blaise Pascal

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    1. Your website reads like a right-wing screed and as such most will ignore it. But you raise a legit point – Udall clearly does not listen to the voters in this state as he apparently is scared to pre-announce public appearances (those code-pink people are “dangerous”).

      Run with that, and other items that will appeal to the voters in the middle – and you can get some traction.

        1. a poll showing that 80% of Rs and R leaning Indies don’t approve of Obama? Because that would be mainly people who never approved of him in the first place, wouldn’t it?  He has lost ground among indies but is not down to 20% approval among indies in general as your post suggests. I’m sure that wasn’t mentioned in whatever talking points sheet you looked at this morning.

              1. it almost feels like you’ve found someone to take you seriously!

                It’s like finding your soul mate, except it’s still just a little mouth you drew on your right hand.

    2. you didn’t go through all this work without realizing that you can’t recall a Senator and that Senator Udall’s seat won’t be up for election until 2014.

        2. Now I don’t.

          We have lost a LOT of institutional memory in the CO legislature, and now we see the “musical seats” of reps and Senators looking for their next job instead of just staying where they are and,hopefully, getting better at it.

  3. …government bureaucracy is hardly the model of efficiency. Otherwise, Medicare would have held down the cost of private insurance.

    The Congressional Budget Office, the nonpartisan economic analyst for lawmakers, has estimated the Senate version of reform, which would allow states to opt out of the public option, would reduce deficits by $127 billion during the next decade – this despite its 10-year price tag of $849 billion. New taxes and reductions in government spending would make up for new costs, government analysts said.

    The House bill, which includes a nationwide public option, is estimated to cost $1.055 trillion during the next decade.

    from Jennifer Brown over at the Post

      1. http://reason.com/blog/2009/10…

        You know your losing it when Rolling Stone comes out and culls your community organizing ass with an editorial titled Doubting Obama.

        The President has lost all credability with America’s opinion leaders.  Just ask the opinion leader in your housing block, at your worship center, at your work.

        Over promising, under delivering, more taxes, deeper debt, more war.  No wonder his poll numbers are in the toilet.

        1. Or do you just assume and have a pre-done list of random follow up?

          Why did you link an article that you didn’t quote?  Wouldn’t it be more appropriate to link the graph source, instead of just leaving the general site at the bottom?

          Never mind, you won’t read this anyway.  In the unlikely event you do here’s a better graph.

          2. Going to task the American Taxpayers 3-5 years in advance of any measurable uplift for 20 million uninsured citizens will be real tough when the polls are signaling that your doing the wrong thing.  Its a recession, your cost shifting and new tax strategy doesn’t hold up.

            There is no political capital to push this foul proposal across the line.  Obama is – 10pts strongly App/Disapprove.  Congress has 80% of indie Taxpayers/Voters NOT supporting the majority party Dems.

            The majority party doesn’t have the political will to do the right thing, which is accept the GOP proposals offered in the House.  

            They are seen as power drunk reckless abusers a mortgage system (US Treasury) commiting to debt they can’t pay for an overpriced undervalued product (Obamacare) that will breakdown within the first 100 days.

            Now the Rolling Stone comes out with a damning editorial blasting POTUS.  Face it you’re dead in the water.

            1. I’m facing I’m dead in the water.  Which makes sense, I fear water so it probably goes without saying that I can’t swim.  I’m lost on what that has to do with any president other than maybe Kennedy.  Bastard let me down. 🙁

  4. As we’ve seen in Colorado, the situation among many state governments will be even more dire once the current round of stimulus money is gone. But as critics point out, endlessly borrowing money is poor public policy.

    At some point, government, much like the American people who have been increasing their savings rates, needs to live within its means.

    Like the last time, Democrats are urging swift passage of a new spending measure, perhaps having the bill passed before Obama’s State of the Union address in January.

    But first, he needs to give the American people more than lip service on our mounting debt.

    http://www.denverpost.com/opin…

    1. You’re on a sugar-fueled web posting high, aren’t you?

      Well, you’ve been punked already on all these posts:

      1) Health Care Punk: WASTE IN THE U.S. HEALTHCARE SYSTEM PEGGED AT $700 BILLION IN REPORT FROM THOMSON REUTERS

      http://thomsonreuters.com/cont…

      2) Follow-up Gov’t Health Care Punk: The Dept of Veterans Affairs, a gen-u-ine Socialist Health care system, holds down costs better than any punblic or private provider:

      http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/88x…

      3) Poll Punk (from a real Polling institute):

      Voters say 45 – 36 percent, including 40 – 37 percent among independents, that Obama is better able to handle health care than congressional Republicans. In October, it was 47 – 31 percent in the President’s favor.

      Voters also say 59 – 29 percent that Republicans are not making a good faith effort to work with Obama and the Democrats on health care.

      http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x129…

      4) and finally, from Rupert’s own rag, the WSJ:

      Government efforts to funnel hundreds of billions of dollars into the U.S. economy appear to be helping the U.S. climb out of the worst recession in decades.

      http://online.wsj.com/article/…

      ‘tad, give it up. Asshats who write blogs versus facts from respected institutions, you lose.

      Now go back and fish out the toy from the box of cereal….

      http://online.wsj.com/article/…

        1. And again, you’ve  been punked, BY ME, that this bad graphics with cheap typefaces came from a fucking BLOG.

          Remember? http://www.coloradopols.com/sh…

          A non-name shrieking wing-nut blog that has this headline this morning:

          “Black Muslim Group Celebrates “Brother & Martyr” Maurice Clemmons”

          BTW, if 4 counterpoints with linked info is a Drive-By, then you can call me a Gangsta!

  5. “I just wrote my first reference for a gun permit,” said a friend, who told me of swearing to the good character of a Goldman Sachs Group Inc. banker who applied to the local police for a permit to buy a pistol. The banker had told this friend of mine that senior Goldman people have loaded up on firearms and are now equipped to defend themselves if there is a populist uprising against the bank

    .

    Read the whole story: bloomberg.com

    1. That should be the name of a reality show, that’s how bizarre I’m finding the idea of a bunch of bank execs walking around with pistols in their suits.

  6. What is the “user image” upload in the profile section for?  I’ve tried to upload images a few times.  But nothing. What happens to the url and pic?

  7. Johnson is the owner of famous right-wing blog Little Green Footballs. He has been feuding with other right-wing bloggers since last year, at first over European fascism (which many anti-Muslim bloggers support) and more recently over a whole bunch of things. Here he lays it all out. Expect responses like, “Who’s ever heard of Little Green Footballs?” along with “Johnson was always a left-winger” and “We have always been at war with Eurasia.”

    http://littlegreenfootballs.co…

    1. Support for fascists, both in America (see: Pat Buchanan, Robert Stacy McCain, etc.) and in Europe (see: Vlaams Belang, BNP, SIOE, Pat Buchanan, etc.)

    2. Support for bigotry, hatred, and white supremacism (see: Pat Buchanan, Ann Coulter, Robert Stacy McCain, Lew Rockwell, etc.)

    3. Support for throwing women back into the Dark Ages, and general religious fanaticism (see: Operation Rescue, anti-abortion groups, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, Tony Perkins, the entire religious right, etc.)

    4. Support for anti-science bad craziness (see: creationism, climate change denialism, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, James Inhofe, etc.)

    5. Support for homophobic bigotry (see: Sarah Palin, Dobson, the entire religious right, etc.)

    6. Support for anti-government lunacy (see: tea parties, militias, Fox News, Glenn Beck, etc.)

    7. Support for conspiracy theories and hate speech (see: Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Birthers, creationists, climate deniers, etc.)

    8. A right-wing blogosphere that is almost universally dominated by raging hate speech (see: Hot Air, Free Republic, Ace of Spades, etc.)

    9. Anti-Islamic bigotry that goes far beyond simply criticizing radical Islam, into support for fascism, violence, and genocide (see: Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, etc.)

    10. Hatred for President Obama that goes far beyond simply criticizing his policies, into racism, hate speech, and bizarre conspiracy theories (see: witch doctor pictures, tea parties, Birthers, Michelle Malkin, Fox News, World Net Daily, Newsmax, and every other right wing source)

    And much, much more. The American right wing has gone off the rails, into the bushes, and off the cliff.

    I won’t be going over the cliff with them.

    1. LGF was always as much libertarian as conservative but they did seem to have a strong contingent of nuts, as does almost every other political blog of any leaning. So it’s surprising to see him list out the whole loony bin of stupidity on the right.

      Very very commendable.  

  9. 2007

    AT-LARGE Total

    Bennett 11,777

    Frazier 14,645

    Pierce 14,116

    Senn   5,495

    Wilkiins   9,718

    Total 55,751

    2009

    Council Member At-Large (two positions)

      Candidate Adams Arapahoe Douglas Total %  

    ——————————————————————————–

      Pamela  Bennett   893 9941 5 10839 17 %  

      Barbara Cleland  567 11177 0 11744 18 %  

      Bob FitzGerald   911 13765 2 14678 23 %  

      Bob LeGare       580 11105 3 11688 18 %  

      Alfonso NuГ±ez      607 8136 2 8745 14 %  

      Bob Roth           437 5654 3 6094 10 %  

    total 63788

    The difference in turnout is from the Repubs getting  their voters to turn in ballots and the Dems not.  The RNC wanted to take Aurora and they did.  Next year will be the same thing. If the Dems and Obama people do not vote this state will return to those glory days of yesteryear.

    1. It looks like you lost by about half as many votes this year as you did in 2007. That’s an improvement you can build on, and your name recognition goes up the more you try. Keep at it, and maybe in 2011 you’ll get close enough to shave off those extra few hundred votes.

    2. I know we’re not getting what we want out of our new invincible Democratic majority, but folks who voted Democrat in ’08 need to buck up to the fact that Rome wasn’t built in a day.

      Republicans come out to vote almost every year; even in ’08, they came out – though not quite as strong.  They built their majority through persistence, and they’ve managed over the years to push their cause very far down the field.  (Don’t believe me?  Look at the Federal court system…)

      Republicans now want purity, and they’re losing their majority for it.  Democrats have not been a “purity” party, but they want instant satisfaction – and they’re not going to get it.

      If you want results, you have to vote for the best viable option in each and every election.  When your viable option wins, take the next target.  Repeat until you get where you want to go.

      Fail to follow through, and the pendulum swings back away from you.

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