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November 17, 2009 04:40 PM UTC

Tuesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

There’s nothing in the street

Looks any different to me

And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye

And the parting on the left

Is now the parting on the right

And the beards have all grown longer overnight

–The Who

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        2. 2nd leading cause of cancer death in women

          “The graph shows that the top 10 causes of death for women in the United States are-

          1 Diseases of heart 329,238

          2 Cerebrovascular diseases 86,993

          3 Lung and bronchus cancer 69,078

          4 Chronic lower respiratory disease 68,497

          5 Alzheimer’s disease 51,039

          6 Accidents (unintentional injury) 41,426

          7 Breast cancer 41,116

          8 Diabetes mellitus 38,581

          9 Influenza and pneumonia 34,949

          10 Colorectal cancer 26,224

          Source: Surveillance, Epidemiology, and End Results (SEER) Program

          (www.seer.cancer.gov) SEER*Stat Database: Mortality – All COD,

          Public-Use with State, Total U.S. (1969-2005), National Cancer

          Institute, DCCPS, Surveillance Research Program, Cancer Statistics

          Branch, released February 2008. Underlying mortality data provided by

          CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics.”

          http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/brea…

      1. You’ll be able to fondly recall that the U.S. Dept of HHS recommended its citizens avoid self examination.

        This HHS recommendation is like a bad dream.  If it wasn’t a committee that came up with it and Sebilius appointees that approved it, I’d swear it was the work of some rouge GOP operative.  

        Some advice to those of you close to the Secretary … call her press office and tell them this is not playing well.  HHS Press Office: (202) 690-6343

        If you don’t address this complete failure to lead you’ll have nothing when Glenn Beck goes live tonight with 3 million viewers.

              1. Damnit. What happened to all the great offers and coupons????! It’s like they found out I like their product and immediately discontinued anything that would save me money.

    3. the proposed change in mammogram recommendations would just bring us in line with the rest of the world, if that’s what you are referring to rahter thanignorance about male breast cancer. In young women the accuracy is such that the benefit of general screening is not considered to out-weigh the negatives inherent in all radiation and results in a high number of both false positives and misses.  

      Besides, anyone can continue to get routine screening if they so desire and can afford it, the case with all screening in our system. The most radical rationing of health care is imposed by the private sector which excludes millions outright and makes routine testing for those who can only afford plans with high deductibles so costly that many people can’t afford it.  

      No government plan anywhere in the civilized world rations care more severely than our private sector, for profit system does.  None leaves anyone out altogether.  No doubt this accounts for our third world stats on general health measures, in spite of being the wealthiest nation on the planet and the sole remaining super-power.

      So put away the violin, Libertad, unless you’re playing it for the thousands who are going to die today because not having access to a government or private sector plan killed them. If you are just promoting male breast cancer awareness, what does that have to do with government rationing, as opposed to private for profit rationing, of healthcare?  

      1. STFU the whole damm lot of you

        I am in the age range where breast cancer is rampant and horrific….not funny.   This all calls for a very serious discussion, which evidently Libertad attempted.

        The real problem with mammography, as I understand it, is if a woman  gets one every years from age 40 to 75, her risk of getting breast cancer from the radiation alone goes way up…..it is a risk benefit analysis…on future health not just future cost…

        Hey redstate, its not hilarious.  I believe breast cancer is the second leading cause of death among women and growing in the male population.  The post to MOTR above applies to you too.  Beck will rage tonight on you’re failed leadership.  

        I suggest you call HHS PR department and get the Governor to rebuke this at a local level.  Act now to correct your leaders mistakes.

          1. Jaclyn Fletcher said she has diligently had her annual mammograms since she was 40. She said that at age 48, a mammogram detected a lump she could not feel with a breast self-exam — a lump that turned out to be a stage II, aggressively spreading cancer that had spread to her lymph nodes. “Without my annual mammogram I had this year at age 48, I shudder to think of how advanced my breast cancer would have been if I had to wait another two years, until age 50+ to get one… I cannot fathom how large [my tumor] may have grown and/or how far it may have spread if I waited an additional two years until after I reached the age of 50.” For more personal stories about breast cancer, visit BreastCancer.org. (Courtesy Jaclyn Fletcher)

            http://abcnews.go.com/Health/O…

                  2. regardless it was a good lead-in

                    you’re a failed reporter whose career has landed you here to blog

                    Critics see healthcare rationing behind change in HHS standards http://www.foxnews.com/politic… but not redstate, he could care less about this health issue, but cares way more about projecting his blog image.

            2. Look, Libs, you can’t post like you do on a regular basis for nearly two years and then one day post something serious and expect it to be met with serious responses. You’ve been crying wolf for so long, nobody can or should take you seriously. Your mean-spirited, sometimes hurtful, and always idiotic personal attacks on other polsters; your posting of disgusting pictures and videos, large blockquoted text with bold and no links, and your general confusion on what it means to be a human being are all playing against you every single day you post here I’m afraid.

              Your behavior on this site, on a day to day basis, is nothing short of mindbogglingly stupid. Between your inability to construct basic sentences, and your lack of any respect for blogging or journalism, you shouldn’t be surprised when nobody believes a word you say.

              So take some advice: if you actually really, truly, care about breast cancer awareness–stop talking about it. You’re like opposite of King Midas, because everything you touch or blog about turns to shit. So, for the sake of breast cancer research, give it a break.

              That, or try to act like an adult human for once in your miserable little life. It’s up to you.

              1. I do recall you were part of the group here at pols that usually referred to me as a retarded person, until I called you all out.  

                I was just stunned when it (“Libertard”) continued for months and months.  I finally was so embarrassed for you that I had to shame you into stopping.

                Now get back to work, as I recall from other statements you’ve made you’re a state employee.

                2. You “recall from other statements?”

                  Aren’t you the same dumb fuck that claimed he was a journalist this morning?

                  Let me buy you a clue, Lib. I take the topic of breast cancer very seriously. I take the topic of cancer quite seriously because it has directly affected my family. What I don’t take seriously and no one else on this blog does either, apparently, is you. You can’t hope to be taken seriously when you have behaved like a half witted buffoon since the day you began blogging here.

                    1. “Lashout”? Is that a new mascara?

                      Does it ever get embarrassing being you, Libertard?

                3. That’s my attitude toward li’l Libertad. I always skip over his posts because any kernels of truth or insight that might be there, are buried in a mountain of shit that I do not wish to mine. Most posts are just shit, so why bother?

            4. …It wouldn’t have been palpable (that means able to be felt) on self-exam before then, warranting a diagnostic mammogram, which NO guideline suggests avoiding.

  2. Please use a #5 red crayton to make a nice big X next to the answer that you think is right.

    Ready? You may begin.

    1. Are You a Republican?

       ___  Yes

       ___  No.

    If you answered Yes, please follow the attendant to your room at the Home for the Mentally Challenged.

      1. Signs of intelligent life found south of County Line Road!

        For the screen, try Mullah Omar’s Majik Elixir, sold wherever intelligent discussions are held, with an occasional time-out for smiling. (Stolichnaya on a Red Flag also works, but it seems like a waste…)

  3. (Posted earlier, by mistake I decided, to another thread)

    The Party of Yesterday welcomes you, O Ye Noble Defender of the Past that Never Was! It’s Lily White Standard Time, year ’round, so suit up for battle. Here’s your kit:

    1. One tin-pot helmet, size extra small, not that your brain needs protection, but it gives your costume a certain comical look that your comrades will take seriously and enjoy.

    2. One rake, to be used to spread our message evenly over the earth where it will fertilize the future, we’re sure.

    3. One pair, Doctor Shoal’s Waterproof Hip Boots. No sense of tracking our message indoors. Better to smell up the outside instead.

    4. One 10 gal. bottle Bozo’s Body Bleach. Pour on anyone whose skin tone seems a tad darker than your own. If they’re not from That Continent, chances are they’re Italians which means they might be Catholics.

    5. One 12-guage shotgun plus ammo. Fire randomly at anyone who disagrees with you, and especially at anyone trying to clean up our Future Fertilizer.

    6. One butane-powered lung heater, used to heat the air we exhale through the larynx and upon which we depend to float our balloon to Never-Was Land.

    7. One pair, Mickey Mouse Green Goggles used to distort the images we take in and transform them into a painting by Norman Rockwell.

    8. One pair, Sycophant Earplugs, used to filter out any sounds besides Lawrence Welk’s orchestra playing the First Utah Sycophancy in Gee Whiz Major.

    9. One box, red Krayolas, to occupy your imagination after morning Pablum.

    10. One Alaskan Flatulence Amplifier. Strap it on and let ‘er rip, as loudly and as often as possible. That is our message! Let it waft over the High Plains and blow right on down to the Land of Cotton! You don’t need to think about it; just broadcast it over and over and over to the Assembled Ignorami, rejoice in their response: “Moo!”  

    1. JO you really are as bad as the Tea Party crowd who lump everyone who doesn’t agree with them conveniently into a cloned society.

      The tea bag crowd see RINO Republican’s and all Democrats as anti-Christ, communists and terrorist sympathizers.  

      Your opinion of all Republicans would definitely not mix well with my circle of friends. As D’s, R’s and U’s we respectfully disagree on candidates and issues from time to time.  We have even worked campaigns against one another but in the end we enjoy the freedom to be friends.

          2. A lot of my good friends are closed-minded liberals. Of course, I’m also friends with closed-minded conservatives too. It’s not up to me to make sure all of my friends’ minds are opened politically.

            In fact, the people who you brought up (LB, Haners, NEWSMAN) are all fairly closed-minded in their political views. They’re conservatives, and nothing we’re going to say is going to change that.

            1. I’m not here to change LB’s mind. I’m here to have a discussion and here from a different viewpoint. I’m here to try and understand where someone with a different opinion is coming from.

              If I were in the business of changing hearts and minds, I’d be an evangelical minister.  

            2. As MotR said, they’re not going to change their political philosophy. But they will discuss with an open mind how they see various issues based on that philosophy. And they think through how that all plays out.

          3. ..that you take yourself ever-so seriously, David.

            I just don’t know why.

            We settled into a corner booth in Dipso’s Diner and both ordered the avacado salad with Rocky Mountain Oysters. “I always loved seafood,” my interviewee said, assured that no hard questions would be asked, no quotes conveyed. “How long have you been a journalist David?… Oh, you’re not?”

            1. What’s the matter? Got no one to play with? I know you got bored over at Square State and headed back here (you know, the blog that you left in such a giant huff and swore never to return to) but it seems most folks here don’t have much of a desire to engage you, either.

              In fact, I’ll be honest–the only reason I am is because it’s either fuck with you or go poop scoop and fucking with you is only marginally more interesting that scooping shit out of a play yard.

                1. You seem kind of lonely and bitter and I figured you could use it. Kind of hard not to notice you, wouldn’t you say, since you seem to go out of your way to insult everyone you run into? But that’s part of charm, isn’t it? 🙂

                  Oh and trust me, I’m beyond cute. I’m hot. Don’t be jealous. Bitter suits you so much better.

            2. I wouldn’t call it serious so much as trying to be thoughtful and thinking things through rather than just just having a knee-jerk reaction.

              As to no quotes – I put up the recording of my interviews. You have the entire thing there verbatim. All you have to do is listen.

          1. I do support McInnis.  The first friend I made in Colorado 22 years ago is working on the Ritter campaign in our county.  

            So what’s your point? That you don’t have any Republican friends or that we should be so dogmatic in our beliefs that we can’t be friends and go to lunch or have coffee because we genuinely like each other.

            Did you even watch Senator Oren Hatch memorialize Sen. Ted Kennedy as his best friend in the US Senate or did you turn it off because it was a dastardly Republican speaking?  

            1. I originally attached my Armory list to http://coloradopols.com/diary/… in response to GOP Warrior’s post at the top.

              OK, you didn’t find my warrior’s kit amusing or humorous. Of the reactions I’ve personally heard, the score is 1-1.

              Give it up? How about lighten up? Go ahead, pour a shot of Jim Beam into your hot chocolate; no one will ever notice, and you can just smile serenely when the laugh-track goes off and you have no idea of what the joke was. Joke? I didn’t get it…. What joke? It’s okay, Ellie; you just keep workin’ for the GOP–doesn’t bother me. Better that you should work for them than us!

              Incidentally, so far, the most enthusiastic response among those w/ a sense of humor has been for Mickey Mouse Goggles that transform reality into a Norman Rockwell painting, whereas I voted for Lawrence Welk playing the Utah Sycophancy in Gee Whiz Major… but each to her own tastes. Hey, some people really like Lawrence Welk, premarital smooching notwithstanding (they don’t really mean it, you know; besides, Birth control? Who needs that?).

              A one-a, two-a… Cha Cha Cha!

                1. Some guy from Mississippi, senator as I recall… Not you, I’m sure, but there was some line about the U.S. would have been better off if Strom Thurmond had won the presidency in 1948? http://www.washingtonpost.com/…

                  Yeah, I know Michael Steele is now the “face of the Republican party,” even if he’s the only one…

                  Or there was Nixon ’68… Remind me of his strategy again? Something about wining the South in the wake of civil rights laws? Was he after the newly enfranchised black vote?

                  YOU may or may not agree with any/all of your party’s policies; but the policies & positions are there, plain as day. But, but, mein Herr, I vas a gut Nazi!”

                    1. Nice of JO to prove that the rabid, frothing at the mouth whackos exist on the left as well as the right, though.  

                    4. in order for us to be diverted? Then again, you’re a legend in your own mind. 🙂

                      Smile, sugar. We’re all just having some cha cha cha good time fun, just like you suggested. Ain’t it a blast so far? Whoo hoo! Good times. Good times. You’re right. Mocking, insulting and degrading people is righteous good fun.

  4. http://www.cnsnews.com/news/ar…

    Jeff Sessions (R-AL), ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, will filibuster Obama’s first judicial nominee.

    Of course Sessions was one of those who argued during the “judicial filibuster crisis” that God never meant for the Constitution to allow filibusters on this particular issue.

    Sessions says the compromise he had no part in back then says filibusters are allowed in “extraordinary circumstances,” such as when a black President nominates someone for a judgeship.

    1. when “giving judges an up or down vote” was the single most important thing in the whole gosh darn world?

      I guess that only applies when George W. Bush is president though.

    2. Don’t forget Sessions would be a federal judge but for his own “up or down vote” which he lost.

      Sessions entered national politics in the mid-’80s not as a politician but as a judicial nominee. Recommended by a fellow Republican from Alabama, then-Senator Jeremiah Denton, Sessions was Ronald Reagan’s choice for the U.S. District Court in Alabama in the early spring of 1986. Reagan had gotten cocky by then, as more than 200 of his uberconservative judicial appointees had been rolled out across the country without serious opposition (this was pre-Robert Bork). That is, until the 39-year-old Sessions came up for review.

      Sessions was U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Alabama. The year before his nomination to federal court, he had unsuccessfully prosecuted three civil rights workers–including Albert Turner, a former aide to Martin Luther King Jr.–on a tenuous case of voter fraud. The three had been working in the “Black Belt” counties of Alabama, which, after years of voting white, had begun to swing toward black candidates as voter registration drives brought in more black voters. Sessions’s focus on these counties to the exclusion of others caused an uproar among civil rights leaders, especially after hours of interrogating black absentee voters produced only 14 allegedly tampered ballots out of more than 1.7 million cast in the state in the 1984 election. The activists, known as the Marion Three, were acquitted in four hours and became a cause c?l?bre. Civil rights groups charged that Sessions had been looking for voter fraud in the black community and overlooking the same violations among whites, at least partly to help reelect his friend Senator Denton.

      On its own, the case might not have been enough to stain Sessions with the taint of racism, but there was more. Senate Democrats tracked down a career Justice Department employee named J. Gerald Hebert, who testified, albeit reluctantly, that in a conversation between the two men Sessions had labeled the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) “un-American” and “Communist-inspired.” Hebert said Sessions had claimed these groups “forced civil rights down the throats of people.” In his confirmation hearings, Sessions sealed his own fate by saying such groups could be construed as “un-American” when “they involve themselves in promoting un-American positions” in foreign policy. Hebert testified that the young lawyer tended to “pop off” on such topics regularly, noting that Sessions had called a white civil rights lawyer a “disgrace to his race” for litigating voting rights cases. Sessions acknowledged making many of the statements attributed to him but claimed that most of the time he had been joking, saying he was sometimes “loose with [his] tongue.” He further admitted to calling the Voting Rights Act of 1965 a “piece of intrusive legislation,” a phrase he stood behind even in his confirmation hearings.

      http://www.tnr.com/article/pol…

      Isn’t this why a caucus of 60 is so important?

  5. but Glenn Beck made him take it back.

       BECK: Alright, so let me ask you two questions. Are you currently bowing to me at the waist? (LAUGHTER) Have you bowed, or will you bow, to anyone, at the waist? No? Okay, good. Second question for you, are you officially un-conceding at this moment?

       HOFFMAN: Yes, if I knew this information at the election night, I would not have conceded.

       BECK: So are you un-conceding?

       HOFFMAN: If that’s possible, yes.

       BECK: If the President can bow to an emperor and nobody says anything, yeah, I think you can unconcede.

    Marilyn Musgrave had the right idea!

  7. I check RealClear http://www.realclearpolitics.c…  regularly and Rasmussen has been the single outlier that regularly puts Obama’s approval rating in negative territory.  Do they do it just to bring down the composite score?  While Rasmussen always shows much lower approval for Obama than any of the other polls, showing a negative almost every time while no other poll ever does, these three through the 16th caught my eye:

    Gallup 11/14 – 11/16 1547 A 50 42 +8

    Rasmussen Reports 11/14 – 11/16 1500 LV 49 51 -2

    CBS News 11/13 – 11/16 1167 A 53 36 +17

    I have trouble, following months of this type of one way Rasmussen deviation (CBS is not consistently this far from Gallop and others. Rasmussen is) believing that the rightie Rasmussen isn’t a little skewed. Do they ask “Do you approve or disapprove of the job Obama, who is just like Hitler, is doing?”

  8. I have read on here about William Stapleton’s relationship to the Bush’s. Is he also related to 1930’s Denver Mayor Ben Stapleton?

    Mayor Stapleton was who the former airport and present neighborhood was named.

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