Friday Open Thread

“Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe.”

–H. G. Wells

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  1. VoyageurVoyageur says:

    Senen O'clock and Trump stinks.

    Even Kim Jong Un is staying upwind of him.

    Do thou likewise.

  2. PseudonymousPseudonymous says:

    This is what #Resistance looks like.

    Concerned by Trump, Some Republicans Quietly Align With Democrats

    In the past year, however, influential liberal donors and operatives have gone from cheering these so-called Never Trump Republicans to quietly working with — and even funding — them. Through invitation-only emails and private, off-the-record meetings, they have formed a loose network of cross-partisan alliances aimed at helping neutralize President Trump, and preventing others from capitalizing on weaknesses in the political system that they say he has exploited.

    While this network has mostly eschewed electoral politics, some involved see the potential for it to help form an ideological — and possibly financial — platform to back candidates, including a centrist challenge to Mr. Trump in 2020, possibly from within the G.O.P. or even a third party.

    The network — composed of overlapping groups led by Democrats such as the donor Rachel Pritzker and several veteran Obama administration operatives, as well as leading Never Trump Republicans like Evan McMullin, Mindy Finn and William Kristol — aims to chart a middle path between a Republican base falling in line behind Mr. Trump and a liberal resistance trying to pull the Democratic Party left.

    • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

      Even better … there are Republican donors who are abandoning the extremes, looking for some sense. From the Daily Caller:

      [John] Rowe has some sway with Republicans, donating in excess of $500,000 to mostly GOP campaigns since 2015.

      “There’s a whole bunch of Republicans like me who simply aren’t going to keep giving money if you don’t get an immigration bill done,” Rowe claimed to have told House Majority Whip Steve Scalise.

      And best of all — there are some Republicans who are now going public with their support of Democrats. Mercury News explains:

      Meg Whitman, the former eBay and Hewlett Packard CEO who was the Republican nominee for California governor eight years ago, has crossed the aisle to endorse Democrat Antonio Villaraigosa for the same office.

      Whitman will co-host a fundraiser for Villaraigosa in Silicon Valley Thursday night. She is the highest-profile Republican to back the former Los Angeles mayor.

      • Andrew Carnegie says:


        Everything is swell.

        Dems control no branch of the Federal Government and about 40% of the Governorships.

        Dem coffers are empty and you can't raise any money.

        Everything is working just fine.

        Keep it up.


        • VoyageurVoyageur says:

          Did you shave extra close this morning, Carnholio?  You know trump doesn't like to be tickled when you kiss his butt.

          I hope the rubles are worth it, because the stink must be unbearable.

          Kissee, kissee, Trump butt, Carnholio.

        • unnamed says:

          Sup 2 Live Drew?   Did you get out of jail?  What was your cellmate's name?  Omar or Dimitri?

        • Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

          That's what I was talking about, PissAnt. Is that supposed to make me clutch my pearls?

          You will never win. You backed the wrong horse and you know it. Come back in late November and we will see where we stand.

          You may think you have already won, but you haven't even come close. The T***pian party is a fascist party, intent upon eliminating democracy in America…but you will fail. In the meantime, the best you can do is to try to divide and discourage us.

          And you know its not gonna work, don't you Andrei?…we are on to your plan and the end is near. Better think of a new approach, before the Yamster brings down your own dictator, Vlad the Smirker. Never fails…you bad guys always overplay your hand. But I guess that is just what eventually happens to all greedy bastards. 

        • RepealAndReplace says:


          p>Connor Lamb. Doug Jones. Ralph Northam.

          OTOH, you guys picked up Steve Lebsock.

        • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

          Andrew —

          Republicans control only the Executive Branch. Paul Ryan is the Speaker of the House, but cannot get anything done — not even pass a gimme Farm Bill. Mitch McConnell is the Majority Leader (by 1 seat) and he can't get anything done except confirm marginally qualified federal judges and incompetent nominations to the Executive Branch.

          State legislative votes: In 2018, as of May, nine seats flipped as a result of state legislative special elections. Eight seats flipped from Republican control to Democratic control. One seat flipped from Democratic control to Republican control.

          re: your idea of money.

      • PseudonymousPseudonymous says:

        I feel like I'll never be trolled better than this, even if it is unintentional.

        • mamajama55mamajama55 says:

          What do you mean, Psuedo? The John Rowe donor story (threatening to cut off $ to Republicans who won't sign on to protect Dreamers) is a real story.

          • PseudonymousPseudonymous says:

            I posted that story with all the disdain and venom my tiny leftist heart could muster for the third-wayers selling out the Democratic party to the middle.  But, I did it sarcastically, as is my wont.  "Resistance"  nah nah.  JID responded as though I had posted it sincerely as an example of left-right cooperation, which I think is betrayal, but many centrists think is great.

            We often talk about trolls as folks who post nonsense or disinformation like Moddy and Andrew, but there's a broad range covered by the concept.  One old school way of trolling people is to engage with their conversation sincerely but in a way that the person trolling knows will enrage them.  Classic case: take snide post (mine) and respond with more of the same saying "this is also great."  It's a grand old tradition on the Internet.  It takes some skill, too.  I expect JID was just sincerely agreeing, but if he weren't that would be some next-level trolling.  Thus, my appreciation.

            For a sarcasm-free view of my beliefs, the tweet which led me to the story

            • mamajama55mamajama55 says:

              Interesting. Tactically, I think it might be smart to ally with some Republicans for short term objectives. These might include:

              Not provoking a war with North Korea.

              Not firing Rosenstein or Mueller, letting the investigation go where it will.

              Not deporting 400,000 Americans who were brought here as children.

              Not modeling ourselves after a fake Putin-style "democracy".

              Letting the Sadministration wallow in its own incompetence and corruption, making great unfulfilled promises.

              Long term strategy? There are a few ways to think about that.

              Outside of the scope of this comment, though. Write a diary about what you think is the best political strategy to save the planet and our democracy.  Or what you think is worth saving.

              Somebody said something like, "Democracy sucks, except compared to every other system of government there is." I know some Polster will have the exact quote.



              • RepealAndReplace says:

                Hell, even the Coke Brothers are leaning on their stooges to pass DACA legislation.

                Here's hoping they use the threat of a cutoff of $$$ to their flunkies to get them to sign the discharge petition, vote to pass it through the House, and get to 60 in Senate.

                Politics does indeed make for strange bedfellows.

              • PseudonymousPseudonymous says:

                I look at the names and ideas I quoted and can only think that this is another mechanism by which corporatist liberals and neoconservatives can get together to push the status quo before Trump and mute or eliminate the influence of the left on the Democratic Party.  But, hey, we'll see.

                • VoyageurVoyageur says:

                  Churchill rushed to aid the Soviet Union after Hitler attacked.   Challenged by a rival who noted Churchill's long record of anti-communism, Winnie said, "If Hitler invaded Hell, I'd at least make a favorable refetence to the devil in the House of Commons."

                   Likewise, any man, woman, bear or platypus that stands against Trump is my friend for the duration of this struggle.

            • VoyageurVoyageur says:

              What mj said.yesyes

    • notaskinnycooknotaskinnycook says:

      I saw that yesterday. Some people on both sides have fretted for years about how divisive American politics have become. Along comes the most divisive figure in living memory and slowly, quietly, Dems and Repubs are starting to make common cause for his ouster or defeat. He has united the country–against him. Maybe he'll accomplish something good despite his best efforts. Whodathunk it?

  3. VoyageurVoyageur says:

    Trump stinks. And Carnholio is his shill.

  4. DavieDavie says:

    This probably didn't even rise to the front page of any newspaper or TV newscast:

    Today’s School Shooting Reminds Us It Won’t Be Long Before We See Another … and Another

    More than 400 people have been shot, and roughly 150 killed, in more than 240 school shootings nationwide since January 1, 2014, a date most notable here because it came more than a year after a gunman killed 20 first graders and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut, on Dec. 14, 2012.

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