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October 31, 2017 05:55 AM UTC

Tuesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

–Isaac Asimov

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      1. I figured the "compromise" Kelly was getting at was a lottery where one out of every three slaves holding the winning ticket would be emancipated.

        WTF, someone needs to explain to these clowns how the Republican Party was founded.

        1. Today's Republican Party is not the Party of the mid-1800's – no emancipation for them!

          For today's #GOP, freedom means authoritarianism, liberty means plutocracy and kleptocracy, responsibility means anti-science self-destruction.

    1. WOTD "Total Quality Trumpism".

      Why is John Kelly talking about Robert E. Lee? Let alone praising him or attacking him, why is Lee even a topic of discussion? Kelly is an Irish Catholic from Boston born in 1950. He is not someone born in the Deep South who was reared in the Lee cult and coming to grips with that legacy or unable to shake it fully. Why is this even something we’re talking about?

      Kelly did another notable thing. He pledged he would “never” apologize for his comments about Rep. Frederica Wilson (D-FL). This is despite the fact that it has been repeatedly and clearly shown that his central claim about her was false. We can give him the benefit of the doubt and assume his memory was faulty on the first take. I think we should. But sticking to the claim in the face of clear and irrefutable evidence makes it a clear lie on the second and third and every subsequent take.

    2. I read someone else recommending the difficult decision on compromising on slavery — would slaves only be slaves 3 days a week, or 4.

      Apparently, the gap was too great, and potential compromises were never achieved.

      1. There's a meme I can't find right now that describes the 1.6% of the southern population, plantation owners, convincing the other 98.4% of their compatriots to go to war to preserve their way of life. 

        The more things change…

         

        1. Depends on your source: the 1850 census showed 5.6 % of southerners owning slaves

          This is a more typical figure: less than 2% of big plantation owners owned >100 slaves, but small farmers often owned 1-5 slaves. The chart below is an average figure – ~ 25% of all southerners owned a few slaves. However, this graphic isn't sourced to census figures or anything reliable.

      1. Oh, look…..Andy is back!

        Just in time for the Mueller indictments and Tancredo gubernatorial announcement.

        We haven't seen you in months. You left poor Moderatus here alone to defend the #MAGA Movement.

      2. Wrong, fuckface…your side cheated. I'm surprised that you would show up here, comrade. Your game has been exposed for all to see. 

        Nice thing about American democracy, though. Even Russian operatives are allowed to speak their lies. Luckily…you aren't going to get away with it.

        Thing is, PissAnt…if you are a Russian, you are our enemy. If you are an American, you are a traitor. Either way, you are a piece of shit. You are not even funny any more….just contemptible…and worthy of a prison sentence.

        1. I'm not so sure about that, V.  Every community needs a functioning, useful idiot and Fluffnutz still hasn't proven he's up to that one (what should be for him easily achieved) task.  The Librarian is a stark reminder of the vile demographic Drumpf gives a woody to each and every day.  

          Countdown to the return of PP?

      3. Pure coincidence that there was organized purchase of social media advertising and a coordinated campaign of social media messaging … sponsored by another country.

        I hear foreigners making campaign contributions is illegal. Maybe, just maybe, foreign paid "in-kind" contributions of social media influence ought to be made illegal, too.

      4. Hey Gerbils!  Welcome back!  Guess your other gig hosting Hitler revivals didn't quite work out. 

        So what are your plans after Trump tosses the last shovel full of dirt on the grave of the Republican Party?

      1. You're so well informed, CHB. I'm sure you've made an exhaustive survey of Sanders' speeches, and can find where he was promoting "Free stuff for everybody without a care as to who will pay for it all".

        A mere supporter and humble researcher and writer, such as myself, can't find where Bernie ever said that, but I'm sure that you know what you're talking about.

        His health care proposal is paid for by payroll and corporate taxes. Since consumers don't pay copays or health insurance premiums, they save money. I already know that you won't bother to actually read the link I posted (Vger likes to brag that he never clicks a link I post), so perhaps you can share where you're getting your information. 

        1. I have never made such a stupid claim, though I don't always make it through all of your more meandering posts.  You do have to learn the difference between citing a partisan site and finding neutral sources that analyze such claims.

          1. I'm not going to waste my time dredging up all of the insults and put downs you've posted, about me or others. Suffice it to say that your habit of posting pot-shots, not positions, has not gone unnoticed or unremembered.

            When you actually deign to post a link to a source – any source– other than your own opinions, I might take your condescending idea that I should find more "neutral sources" a bit more seriously.

            1. Well, if you don't mind wasting the time to find a post where I brag I never read your links, you won't be embarrassed by me calling you a person who makes stuff up..  Or were you just hitting the cooking sherry and feeling sorry for yourself again?  Because we both know I never said that.

              1. Whatever. Figure it out. Or don't. I do mind wasting the time on more pointless word-brangling with you. And I really don't care what you think of me.

  1. Drumpf found his phone.  General Kelly thwarted once again. 

    To quote our resurrected troll, "oops".  Welcome back.  That wire from Manafort's Cyprus account show up just in time? 

    The man with the greatest brain (and memory) we've ever known? He addresses Papadopoulos by his first name and as a "low level volunteer." Wasn't he a foreign policy advisor? They accept volunteer foreign policy advisors?

     

  2. 'I want to quit': Fox News employees say their network's Russia coverage was 'an embarrassment'

    "It is another blow to journalists at Fox who come in every day wanting to cover the news in a fair and objective way," one senior Fox News employee told CNN of their outlet's coverage, adding that there were "many eye rolls" in the newsroom over how the news was covered. 

    The person said, "Fox feels like an extension of the Trump White House."

     

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