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PPP: Bennet leads Romanoff, 40-34

by: roguestaffer

Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 09:45:59 AM MDT


(As we've said before, folks, hypothetical general election matchups don't mean squat until we get through a primary. It doesn't matter how Bennet or Romanoff would do against Norton, Wiens or Buck, because only two of these candidates can make it to November. - promoted by Colorado Pols)

From Public Policy:

-In the Democratic Senate contest Michael Bennet leads Andrew Romanoff 40-34. Support in this race may end up having to do more with personalities than ideology, as there's no real divide in support along liberal/moderate lines for now. Bennet's up 42-33 with liberals and 40-36 with moderates. Both candidates are pretty well liked by the party electorate. Bennet's approval is a 57/21 spread with primary voters and Romanoff's favorability comes down at 45/15. The one place where there is a clear division is along racial lines. Bennet's up 42-34 with whites while Romanoff has the 42-31 advantage with Hispanics.

For now this is a real race, but it remains to be seen whether Romanoff can compete with Bennet financially and his ability to do so will have a lot to do with whether he can win over the quarter of voters who are undecided. (emphasis added).

Much as I thought. The full memo is here (PDF).

Other notes:

  • Bennet has a huge advantage with primary voters, 57%-21%. Regardless of what happens tomorrow, that's the gap that Romanoff needs to close, and without resources, it becomes a nearly impossible task.
  • Notice the demographic split: Bennet leads with white voters, 42-34, while Romanoff leads with Latinos, 42-31. Expect Bennet's campaign to play up his support for comprehensive immigration reform and the DREAM Act, in particular, as the primary keeps going.
  • Last note: Bennet has a lead among both liberals and moderates.

My bottom line: given that the primary seems to be oriented around personalities rather than ideological differences, expect this primary fight to get nasty if Romanoff manages to raise significant funds to get on the air.  
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Bennet's primary lead
The 57%-21% split is an favorable/unfavorable margin. Romanoff needs to erase that, and the easiest way to do that is by carpet bombing Bennet in order to raise his unfavorable ratings.

The problem? Doing so will probably raise Romanoff's own negatives, doesn't guarantee that Romanoff wins, and likely sets the stage for the Republican candidate to deliver a coup de grace in the fall.

Essentially, Romanoff is in a no-win situation here.

Currently working for no campaign or candidate.

Romanoff's lead among hispanics could be erased
if team Bennet pointed out Romanoff's role in the 2006 special session.

Hell, nobody regardless of ethnic background appreciated the stories of 95 year old grannies unable to get a state ID because the building that housed their birth certificate burned down during the Hoover administration.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy


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Weird that Bennet does better with liberals
Don't those liberals know that he takes PAC money, and he was appointed by Ritter?
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He does?!? He was?!?
That's it, I'm going to caucus for Tom Wiens.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy
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Others, including the Dead Guvs, have said it...
but it bears repeating: primary voters aren't necessarily paying attention to the kinds of issues that seem to motivate many Romanoff supporters.

To a large degree, Bennet is basically a stand-in for Obama, and Democrats have a favorable opinion towards the President.

But you knew this, already, I'm guessing.

Currently working for no campaign or candidate.

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Bennet has a lead among both liberals and moderates
But who leads among DLC types? Grasping for silver linings and all ...

A leader on the battlefield can be a leader in Congress. -- redstateblues
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We'll see
And I should correct my typo. I said 'appointed', where I should have written 'annointed'.
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How about we just call it
apnointed

A leader on the battlefield can be a leader in Congress. -- redstateblues
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You guys underestimate newer Obama Dems
There are a ton of them out there, they don't blog much and they aren't friends with party hacks. Their numbers are going to surprise you tomorrow.

Buck Stops Here.
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Easy on the "Party Hacks"
They're the ones who have been working countless hours to put on the very caucus you'll attend and will receive little to no recognition for it.  A very few are visible enough to receive any attention, but the lion's share of the work is done by hundreds of volunteers simply because they know it needs to be done.  They're at the very least entitled to their views and truly deserve our respect.
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respect
Sure.
The insiders and organizers that put on caucus and make the party work are worthy of respect.  I didnt' get that peacemonger was saying otherwise. Rather that those D's who engaged at caucus for the first time on 08 for Obama aren't all that connected to those party insiders.


"Why do Republicans get to be stupid and win while whenever we're stupid, we're just stupid?"  sufimarie Feb 2010
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It's just the connotation of the word "hacks"
is all.  And probably the juxtaposition against  the raw number of hours these folks are currently working.  But yes, the great part about caucus is that it brings party members from all backgrounds together.
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Dthe great part about caucus
is that it's just one night and then it's over.

http://coloradopols.com/diary/...

Yes it's a lot of work-  

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And then there's County Assembly.
And then there's State Assembly. It's not really over in one night, not at all.  

"I wouldn't characterize caloric intake as "professional development." c rork
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What?!?
You mean it's even dumber than I already thought?

Well, at least he Assemblies are catered with decent chairs and wifi. And short enough that they don't suck up a whole afternoon or anything.

I like brunch. Not quite breakfast, not quite lunch and at the end- cantaloupe.

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Speaking of which, can you drop me an email, re: caucus?
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You can call me hack
It's nicer than other things that I've been called.

judge elected officials by their actions, not by their rhetoric
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They know Speaker Romanoff had his own pac
that charges 731 in expenses to close itself with an online report. in January 2010.

The Spekaer has been going on FOX news , and can't shake his association with Pat Caddell.

He's a DLC man of the year on 2009.

It's not surprising.

Surprising is his lead among Hispanics, as his immigration position has been far worse than Bennet's for years.  

judge elected officials by their actions, not by their rhetoric

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This doesn't surprise me
The Romanoff people love to brag about what great grass roots organizers they are as opposed to the slouches in the Bennet camp.   I'm pretty sure this supposed Bennet campaign failing is wishful thinking on their part.

Efforts by the Bennet campaign to reach out to potential caucus goers and primary voters seem pretty highly organized and intense.  Also, Bennet's name has been all over the media, in connection with promoting public option, reconciliation,  and efforts to overcome DC dysfunction, such as filibuster reform.  He's been well received by progressive media faves such as Rachel Maddow.

It will be very interesting to see how much of the supposedly huge caucus advantage will materialize for Romanoff Tuesday night.  With Bennet being the caucus underdog and the Romanoff campaign bragging about their advantage, a less than great big impressive win for AR would be pretty bubble bursting while the slimmest lead, neck and neck finish or even closer than expected loss for Bennet would be an enormous boost for his campaign.

It seems more and more that AR suffers too much from having so long been a big fish in a small pond with no real opposition to be able to translate that small pond, safe district success to the statewide big leagues.  

Hmm
Well, I think the campaigns, so far, have made both better candidates.  Bennet has gotten better at actual campaigning. Romanoff seems to have gotten a bigger perspective, or at least focuses on an apparently bigger perspective.

I agree, if AR doesn't put a great big win this week, I would think that changes something.  

 

"Why do Republicans get to be stupid and win while whenever we're stupid, we're just stupid?"  sufimarie Feb 2010

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better candidates

I'm not convinced both couldn't or wouldn't have become "better candidates" without this primary.
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The Bennet campaign is working their ass off for the caucus
I have had 5 phone calls, including 2 this past weekend, asking if I was going to attend the caucus. I've answered yes to each - and they still keep checking in.

I also got a robocall from Udall supporting Bennet. Does Udall always sound that bored? I'm not sure with that tone of voice that the robocall helps much.

No trees were destroyed in the posting of this comment. But a large number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced.

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Ditto: (1) I've been bombarded by Bennet, but radio silence from AR; (2) yes, I too was thinking Udall sounded SO bored it was off-putting!


AraraGOP said Romney will win the nomination and "I don't see how he can survive the next year of withering attacks."
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Udall sounded normal to me
I didn't particularly notice him sounding bored.  I think he isn't the sparkliest speaker in general.  Thoughtful and serious, yes, but not high energy and enthusiastic.
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You know I kiss the ground he walks on
But you're right. It wasn't bored so much as tired.

Wiped out, really.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy


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Still have not gotten a single call from anyone
If I didn't visit this site, I wouldn't have the faintest idea there was a caucus tomorrow.

I demand that all students get As, that all our oil comes from American soil, that waste and fraud be eliminated forever, and that potato chips stop making me fat!
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I got an email from the PPA
Giving me talking points to take to the caucus and information for both dem and rep caucuses. That's it.
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Bennet has been bombarding me
I'm sure this is because (1) I told the first person who called  I would caucus for him, and (2) I am guaranteed to be there because I am running mine.

So I am sure everyone isn't getting that much attention.  I have gotten several reminder calls, and probably eight mailers.

Romanoff sent at least one mailer, maybe two.  I got a call from him yesterday.  It said that the bigwwigs have made their choice but that's not how we do things in Colorado, so show them who's in charge (loose paraphrase).

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This does not surprise me at all...
The people I talk to on the phones and in person are turned off by Romanoff's negative you-tube videos and baseless attacks on Bennet. Bennet sticking to his record and his great reputation on health reform and fighting big banks is just what people wanted and needed. Seems Andrew's mud-slinging campaign put him in a corner -- newer Obama Dems like Bennet, and the personal attacks just mobilize them.  

What I don't get is why Latinos would favor Andrew, since Michael co-sponsored the Dream Act and Andrew played a significant role in defeating tuition equity. I personally think both men are committed to justice for immigrants and their families, but their records are very, very different.  

Buck Stops Here.

why Latinos would favor Andrew
Just guessing- they know him and don't know Bennet, or don't know him as well. They don't remember 2006, or associate it with Romanoff.  Probably some would have preferred a Latino to replace Secretary Salazar , or if not at least a D insider.

"Why do Republicans get to be stupid and win while whenever we're stupid, we're just stupid?"  sufimarie Feb 2010
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To clarify
I don't think the tuition equity vote was a reliable indicator for who supports the Latino community and who doesn't, necessarily. I happen to know Morgan Carroll has done a lot for CIRC this past year, and her diverse constituency loves her, despite unfounded personal attacks on her by Mario Solis-Marich for a year now.

Here is what one prominent Latina sent me about Morgan in December, for example:

*She is the only State Senator to formally sign on to the National Reform Immigration for America Campaign
*She pledged (signed her name) to not sponsor or support any anti-immigrant bills this session
*She spoke at our press conference in October in support of CIR (we had about 8 media outlets at the event)
*She attended and blogged about our America United Community Forum with Senator Bennet
*She has been willing to speak to the National Elected Officials about supporting CIR  
*She has consistently met with us to talk about legislation and other immigration related issues
*She promised to let us weigh in on any bills that might be affecting immigrants

What I don't get though, is why is Mario sooo nasty to Morgan, yet has given Andrew a free ride when he was even more responsible for how that bill turned out?

Buck Stops Here.

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Mario Solis-Marich
Who?

I think I got that same email last winter. But who is Mario?  

"Why do Republicans get to be stupid and win while whenever we're stupid, we're just stupid?"  sufimarie Feb 2010

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Mario is a 760am afternoon drive-time host; I like him but love Morgan C; what does he have against her???


AraraGOP said Romney will win the nomination and "I don't see how he can survive the next year of withering attacks."
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oh
IDK, in fact, I have no idea.

"Why do Republicans get to be stupid and win while whenever we're stupid, we're just stupid?"  sufimarie Feb 2010
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She's my Senator now
I fully support her (except her endorsement for US Senate). She's wicked smart. I think that she's making up for a vote she didn't want to make last year.

She's a real civil rights lawyer. She knows that immigration reform is the biggest civil rights issue in Anerica today.

judge elected officials by their actions, not by their rhetoric

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Strong but Silent
My phone calls over the past 4-6 weeks pleasantly surprised me that Michael Bennet has very strong, but silent support.  Also, undecideds are easily convinced to support Bennet.

"Those who can't do, comment."

from a New Yorker cartoon
Bennet support
My neighbors don't care much about the caucus but will vote in the primary, and they were mostly Obama supporters and still are. They want somone who supports the President's agenda.  

The one neighbor who seems to be really paying attention said she didn't want some idealist who apparently doesn't understand Washington and would have voted to kill the healthcare bill in Dec.

Makes sense to me.

"Why do Republicans get to be stupid and win while whenever we're stupid, we're just stupid?"  sufimarie Feb 2010

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If
If Speaker Romanoff comes in second tomorrow night he will have to withdrawal from the race.

Does anyone disagree?

have to
He doesn't "have to" do anything.

The campaign's message would need to change; it makes no sense to be Mr-inside-Denver-been-there-done-that-all-the-county-chairs-and-D-insiders-love-me guy if you can't carry the caucus.


"Why do Republicans get to be stupid and win while whenever we're stupid, we're just stupid?"  sufimarie Feb 2010

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I don't agree with "have to"
I think if he doesn't win, he ought to, but as long as he gets on the ballot he still has a puncher's chance.

In the event of a caucus loss (which I think is unlikely), a prudent decision process, at least in my mind, must take into account who he's going to piss off and how that relates to any future he might want to have in politics.

This is serious, you commie dolt  --davebarnes, 2012.

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Romanoff doesn't have to do "anything".
That said, as I pointed out earlier, the easiest path to victory for Romanoff would be to destroy Bennet's favorable ratings. Doing so doesn't guarantee him a victory; it just makes it (slightly) more likely.

He hasn't been able to do that, mostly because he doesn't have the funds. A defeat in the caucuses tomorrow makes it harder for Romanoff to raise those funds.  

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I pretty much agree
Obviously he doesn't have to quit.  But his path to the nomination becomes untenable.  His plan now is to use a caucus win to fundraise enough to become competitive.  If he doesn't win the caucus, how does he do this?
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He's in for the long haul.
HE's not going anywhere. He;ll mention that the the top line hasn't won the primary since Sen Ben Campbell in 1992.

judge elected officials by their actions, not by their rhetoric
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But does that raise funds? (n/t)

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funds
Money is bad.
Money is unecessary.

The only support he needs or wants is individual, small donors, from Colorado.  Of which I'm sure some are R voters int he general who are trying to keep him viable longer.  

"Why do Republicans get to be stupid and win while whenever we're stupid, we're just stupid?"  sufimarie Feb 2010

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The Romanoff team has been spinning down expectations
But that contradicts the "people's choice" narrative that is his entire message.

Let's be honest, caucus participation is such a small community of people, most of whom personally know Andrew, that if he can't destroy Bennet at the caucus, what can he win?  

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He doesn't have to do anything of the sort.
He does, however, have to explain to contributors why they should continue to donate their time and dime, if he doesn't pull overwhelming numbers at caucus tomorrow. Less than a month ago, his campaign was predicting Bennet would have to petition just to get on the ballot. My, how the goalposts have moved in four weeks.

"I wouldn't characterize caloric intake as "professional development." c rork
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If Bennet gets 2nd he will have to drop out & leave the state
If Bennet does not get at least 55% he will have to withdraw from the race. Anything less than that and it will be clear he cannot win in the general because the party base is not behind him. Bennet has 10 times the money, 5 times the staff size and the full power of the White House & DSCC behind him and hundreds of thousands of calls made by OFA and LCV's out of state machine to contact voters. With that money and national operation led by the Chicago political machine, he has been able to contact voters 20 times as much as Romanoff. If that doesn't result in a 10-15% win over Romanoff, he should just get out now.

I kid, I kid - it's a joke - read on before you get all worked up ;)

But seriously... both Romanoff & Bennet's teams will be spinning like tops playing the expectations game and saying they are pleased with the results and focused on the primary. I do think Romanoff has the most at stake at caucus but more from the fundraising perspective than anything else. If he gets less than 40-45% it will be very difficult for him to be able to raise any money to get up on t.v. or radio this summer. No matter how Bennet performs, he'll continue raising money faster than a pre-IPO dot-com in 1996. If Bennet loses his team will dismiss it as a success because he was "up against a political machine with a grassroots operation built over 10 years." If Romanoff loses, his team will dismiss it as still a success because he was "up against a national machine and millions of dollars."

My prediction: Baseline at 60-40 for Romanoff at 10,000 caucus goers (about what showed up in '04 & '06). For every 1,000 additional that turn out, Romanoff loses 1%. My theory is that those who never showed up to caucus until '08 are likely to follow Obama's directions and go for Bennet.

I think it's time the other 60% stand up and start wielding their power within both parties.  I'm convinced we have more in common and more common sense than the 20% of the loons on the left and whackos on the right who run the show now.

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I disagree (I'm a Bennet supporter)
SOMEBODY will be in second place. It all depends on how far back and how many 'uncommitteds' there are in the remainder.
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When does Passover begin?

March 30th.
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But the 30th really means
the evening of the 29th at sundown.  Jewish days begin, not at midnight but the previous sundown, so first Seder is the evening of the 29th.  And might I add... yeah, why does Tad want to know?
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I'm still trying to figure out
why I even bothered to reply to him. Some weird knee jerk reaction to having an answer--I need to learn to control that.

"I wouldn't characterize caloric intake as "professional development." c rork
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Thanks
Way back in the summer when Andrew jumped into the race, I had thought Bennet would have him out by Passover.  I assumed the crushing cash advantage or an Obama payoff job in DC would get Andrew out by this time.

I hadn't counted on the inside opposition against Bennet held by many Democrats nor Andrews staying power.

The more I see this race develop the more I think Bennet could walk away with topline ... or maybe thats too much digestion of coloradopols.com retoric.

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See, the one time we thought Lib was asking a normal question, he was just setting up a stupid dig at Bennet! Last time we give L the benefit of doubt when he posts a normal-seemign comment...


AraraGOP said Romney will win the nomination and "I don't see how he can survive the next year of withering attacks."
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Rayboy, the dig was on Cpols retoric

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Latest Bennet email:
Dear Jennifer,

I'm sure you've heard the caucuses are tomorrow, and we've been working overtime -- but with the exciting news we keep getting, like last week's endorsement from Congressman Ed Perlmutter, the energy is continuing to grow.

That's especially true because we just heard that AFSCME (American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees) Council 76 Executive Board voted unanimously to endorse Michael!

More on AFSCME Endorsement of Bennet
Here's more from the Bennet email announcing the endorsement from AFSCME:

"AFSCME is with Michael because, as AFSCME Council 76 President Sharon Bonner said when she announced the endorsement: "Senator Bennet has continuously stood up for us in Washington by championing the public option in health care reform and fighting for critical health care funding, while pushing to create and save jobs across Colorado. Since he was called to serve last year, Senator Bennet has continued to put the priorities of Coloradans first and fight for real reform in DC." '


"Those who can't do, comment."

from a New Yorker cartoon

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If Romanoff comes in second tomorrow
The pressure will be enormous on him to withdrawal.  How can Mr. Grass Roots not win the caucuses? You will see a number of his prominent supporters switch horses should he come in second tomorrow.

On the GOP side if Ken Buck comes in first you might see panic set in the Norton camp. To spend as much money on TV as she has you expect a first place finish.

If the guy running against McInnis gets enough to qualify for the ballot it will force him to spend over a million dollars to make sure he wins the primary. Exactly what the Penry withdrawal was to have avoided.  That would be great news for the Mayor. If Maes gets top line look for some of the far right GOP legislators to endorse him.  

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look for some far right GOP legislators to endorse Maes
Some already have -- Lundberg, Schultheis in the last few days.

A leader on the battlefield can be a leader in Congress. -- redstateblues
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Thanks, I was not aware that had happened
Maes is going to give McInnis one big headache
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Senator Jane Norton
Losers, you called these guys flam flam pollsters when you didn't like what they say.
Always happy to burst your bubble brain, warriorboy
Pols didn't assail PPP when it disliked their numbeers.  Pols hailed it because it liked their numbers!   You're thinking (if you actually are thinking, which would be a first;-) )about Rasmussen.  That's the outfit Pols thinks is biased toward the GOP./
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It's not just pols
It's been statiscaly shown that hey tilt right. They were way off in 2008. They co venture with Fox news.

I could undrstand a Fox news appearance during the general. For a Democratic caucus it makes no sense whatsoever.

judge elected officials by their actions, not by their rhetoric

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I don't think anyone used the term "flim flam pollsters"
But they are problematic. The average of their polls nationwide in 2008 was quite good actually, but they were consistently an outlier in the Colorado races.

Which I think is consistent with ColoradoPols's comment about how rather dumb general election matchups are when there are 10 candidates running.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy


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How if at all do the PPP numbers differ from Rasmussen's

Rasmussen didn't poll primary contests
So that's one way it differs!

In the general election match ups, Rasmussen found the Republicans leading by reasonable margins, while PPP found Democrats either tied, leading a little bit or leading by a lot (Hickenlooper).

A leader on the battlefield can be a leader in Congress. -- redstateblues

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Favorability Numbers
"Bennet's approval is a 57/21 spread with primary voters and Romanoff's favorability comes down at 45/15."

That's a big difference between Bennet's 57% approval vs. only 45% approval for Romanoff.  Maybe it's a statement by Dems who are unhappy with Romanoff's primary challenge of a candidate who doesn't differ with Romanoff on the issues.  This might be the tea leaf of what will happen tomorrow.  But, to tell the truth, I don't want to put any money on this one.

"Those who can't do, comment."

from a New Yorker cartoon

I'm getting a couple
Bennet calls a night now from real people,  from recordings, from the Bennet camapign, from other groups. Also several mailings last week. It's pretty relentless.  Just think.  We'll be about to get started just 24 hours from now and a few hours later we won't have to argue about who is right or what polls are more reliable.  Can't wait.
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I'll take that bet.
"...we won't have to argue about who is right or what polls are more reliable."

If polls cease to enthrall and inspire arguement, I'll buy your dinner.  But if they do, you buy me a drink

"Why do Republicans get to be stupid and win while whenever we're stupid, we're just stupid?"  sufimarie Feb 2010

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I'm re-reading my comment
and don't see where I made a bet or said polls in general would no longer be interesting.  Just commented that how Bennet and AR will do at caucus will be something we won't have to argue about any more.  But thanks for the offer and I'm not averse to a drink.
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dangit-cool
I was trying to fool you into thinking you said something you didn't actually say.

I'll keep the drink thing in mind  

"Why do Republicans get to be stupid and win while whenever we're stupid, we're just stupid?"  sufimarie Feb 2010

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Finally got a robocall from Romanoff tonight
First contact ever. Mostly about the caucus is tomorrow - then a couple of quick almost throwaway lines about won't take corporate cash.

I don't think that call will sell anyone.

No trees were destroyed in the posting of this comment. But a large number of electrons were horribly inconvenienced.

Most likely
we'll never find out how he'd wriggle out of that one, as he certainly would have to in order to run statewide in the general, because he won't be in that position.
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Latino Vote
Roguestaffer wrote:

"Notice the demographic split: Bennet leads with white voters, 42-34, while Romanoff leads with Latinos, 42-31. Expect Bennet's campaign to play up his support for comprehensive immigration reform and the DREAM Act, in particular, as the primary keeps going."

Maybe Latino voters are not supporting Bennet because they prefer Romanoff's positions on mass immigration and illegal immigration to that of Bennett's.  There is a massive disconnect between what Latino "leaders" say about immigration versus what Latino voters say about immigration.

According to a recent Zogby poll, 52 percent of Hispanic voters support enforcement to encourage illegals to go home; only 34 percent support conditional legalization.

In addition, 56 percent of Hispanic voters said immigration levels are too high; 7 percent said too low; 14 percent just right.

Also, Just 20 percent said illegal immigration was caused by not letting in enough legal immigrants; 61 percent said inadequate enforcement.

And finally, 15 percent said legal immigration should be increased to fill unskilled jobs; 65 percent said there are plenty of Americans available to do unskilled jobs, employers just need to pay more.

See http://www.numbersusa.com/cont... for details.

As I've stated in the past, perhaps it is Democrat politicians that are out of touch with American voters of all races on the issue of immigration.


A Zogby online poll?
Hahahahaha! Those are worthless. Everybody knows that. It's a self-selected sample. Plus the questions are ridiculously biased.

Here, all rational people on the blog can read this takedown of this nonsense.
http://americasvoiceonline.org...

What's really going on: the questions in the CIS-sponsored Zogby poll are engineered to produce anti-immigration responses and rely solely on input from online respondents, rather than a random sample of the general population (i.e. a true random digit dial telephone poll).  The findings are a dramatic departure from the results of numerous other (credible) polls of Latino voters (see below).
...
Onto the real research. A May 2009 poll of Latinos nationwide conducted by Latino Decisions found that:

"...over 80% of Latino voters said they supported Obama's plan that included increased border security, fines for undocumented immigrants, and a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants meeting certain requirements - just 14% of Latinos opposed the president's plan."

A separate May 2009 poll of Latino voters conducted by Bendixen & Associates for America's Voice found that 87% of respondents would not consider voting for a candidate "who was in favor of forcing most illegal immigrants to leave the country" and 89% favored a "path to citizenship" vs. only 4% of respondents who supported a policy to force the undocumented to leave the country. Four percent.

Here's a clue: when you have to cite a bullshit poll to get a result that contradicts everything people know, you're probably lying.

How's Stormfront doing, by the way?

I demand that all students get As, that all our oil comes from American soil, that waste and fraud be eliminated forever, and that potato chips stop making me fat!

[ Parent ]
It was not an On-Line Poll
This was a statistically valid poll using the same technique as other polls by Zogby.

What makes you think this is any more of a bullshit poll then the one this article is discussing or any other.  Zogby is a reputable polling firm.

Massive immigration hurts the working poor the most and these are often minorities and recent legal immigrants that are competing for the same jobs.

It is elitist to think that legal Hispanics approve of illegal immigration or wish to have the US population explode (from 308 million today to 460 million in 2050 if current immigration levels of 1.5 million per year continue).  They want jobs that pay a living wage, a healthy environment, and everything else all of us want.

It really is the cheap labor interests and the so called "leaders" of ethnic identity groups that want amnesty and higher levels of legal immigration, not the regular citizen.

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Yes it was
Follow your own damn link. The poll was done using Zogby Interactive. You are lying.

I demand that all students get As, that all our oil comes from American soil, that waste and fraud be eliminated forever, and that potato chips stop making me fat!
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I stand corrected, but
this was not an "online poll" as commonly used, where a newspaper or organization puts a poll out and lets anyone answer.  

Below is the description of the poll methodology used:

Survey Methodology

Zogby International was commissioned by the Center for Immigration Studies to conduct an online survey. A sampling of Zogby International's online panel, which is representative of the adult population of the United States, was invited to participate. Zogby maintains the panel and has used it for other surveys. Slight weights were added to region, party, age, race, religion, gender, and education to more accurately reflect the U.S. population. The survey included roughly 700 Hispanic, 400 African-American, and 400 Asian-American likely voters.

The survey was conducted by Zogby from November 13 to 30, 2009. The margin of error for likely voters is +/- 0.5 percent. The margin of error for Hispanic likely voters is 3.7 percent; for African-Americans it is 4.7 percent; and for Asian-Americans voters it is 5.1 percent

Below is a link to the full discussion and actual questions asked.

http://cis.org/Minority-Views-...

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Zogby interactive polls are crap
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com...

Zogby, however, also conducts Internet-based polls. These polls are conducted among users who volunteer to participate in them, first by signing up at the Zogby website (you can do so yourself here) and then by responding to an e-mail solicitation. These Internet polls, to the extent they rely on voluntary participation, violate the most basic precept of survey research, which is that of the random sample. And as you might infer, they obtain absolutely terrible results.
...
All told, between 48 contests that he's surveyed over the past two election cycles, Zogby's Internet polls have been off by an average of 7.6 points. This is an extreme outlier with respect to absolutely anyone else in the polling community.

These Internet polls, simply put, are not scientific and should not be published by any legitimate news organization, at least not without an asterisk the size of an Alex Rodriguez steroidal syringe.



I demand that all students get As, that all our oil comes from American soil, that waste and fraud be eliminated forever, and that potato chips stop making me fat!
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as if!
Seriously who could move past Fourier transforms?  Math class is tough.

"Why do Republicans get to be stupid and win while whenever we're stupid, we're just stupid?"  sufimarie Feb 2010
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Zogby Interactive polls are definitely crap
I'm part of their online universe.  Who the hell would poll ME?

At least I was part of their online universe.  I haven't gotten an email to participate in one of their polls since I called bullshit on one that was clearly a push poll.

This is serious, you commie dolt  --davebarnes, 2012.

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