Tuesday Open Thread

“Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.”

–Frederick Douglass

25 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. Pseudonymous says:

    For Dems who think that the band can get back together again, after last election's, er, acrimony.  From a site run by Clinton supporters, for Clinton supporters, and endorsed by Clinton.

    • unnamed says:

      There were some strong feelings on both sides of this divide.  But, for fucks sakes.  It isn't 2016 anymore. Want to beat Trump?  We have to move on from this primary.  It's over and done.

    • Old Time Dem says:

      Assuming that factoid is true, it doesn't mean that disaffected Sanders voters cost Clinton. There are voters registered as Democrats in closed primary states whose allegiance to the Democratic party is entirely notional–Kim Davis, for example. Polling during the primaries seemed to indicate that such nominal Democrats voted for Sanders (probably because they were anti-Clinton or simply anti-establishment), but they were not general election Democrats.

  2. Voyageur says:

    Trump stinks.

    Stay upwind, my friends.

    Not so fast, Jill Stein.

    Go downwind and breathe deeply.

    You earned it.



  3. The realist says:

    If you have a soul, call your US Senators and Rep today to fight #TrumpsterFire's decision re: DACA today.

    One thing is clear: #TrumpsterFire's failures will be echoed by a failed Congress – they're incapable of moving this country forward on a reasonable path. Do you see the one thing that connects the Prez and the majority in Congress? Yes, they are the #GOP – a failed political party.


  4. FrankUnderwood says:

    It was Bernie's fault…..


    How could she have competed with a guy promising to give everyone free stuff?

  5. MichaelBowman says:

    "The program known as DACA that was effectuated under the Obama administration is being rescinded."
    ~ Jefferson Beauregard Sessions, 9/5/17, 8:03am PT

    Consider the massive psychological impact of rescinding DACA. These Dreamers have homes, jobs, families – right here. Most of them have been here their entire lives. They were just told they no longer have a country. No white person from Iowa or Alabama or New York or California can begin to imagine what just became real for HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people.

    "As late as one hour before the decision was to be announced, administration officials privately expressed concern that Mr. Trump might not fully grasp the details of the steps he was about to take, and when he discovered their full impact, would change his mind, according to a person familiar with their thinking who spoke on condition of anonymity without authorization to comment on it."
    ~ NYT, 9/5/17

    " … might not fully grasp the details …"

    Ya think?

    There have many despicable decisions. More than all of us, put together, can tally up in a single sit-down. But, my friends, this may very well go down as the most reprehensible.

    From *my* Christian faith and tradition (Catholicism), Trump's and Session's actions mistreating dreamers is morally wrong. The question I have is where are all the Judeo-Christian voices condemning this terrible decision?  (See Ezekiel 18:19-20):  

    Why should not the son suffer for the iniquity of the father?’ When the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to observe all my statutes, he shall surely live.

    • notaskinnycook says:

      There it is, Michael! Why isn't this a Bill of Attainder?  We don't punish people for their parent's crimes. I think that's somewhere in one of those fancy parchment documets the Righties set such store by. 😉

      • MichaelBowman says:

        Skinny – my Facebook popped up with this post of from today, 2011: 

        Revelations speaks of 'The Book of Life' – “and all were judged by what they had done.” [Rev. 20, 13] On a day that honors labor, we should know that God honors every labor for justice. Don't think the 'Book of Life' is sitting up there someplace already finished. No, we are writing our names now – by every kind act of compassion and love for those whose suffering the rulers (and lawmakers) of this world ignore.

        We all know that #ProsperityJesus considers this kind of compassion bullshit! Seriously, we have tax breaks to implement – and can we be far from TwitterDumb calling for an increase in fossil fuel subsidies?

        If there is a heaven I hope that I'm sitting at the bar with my cold Guiness when these assholes arrive at the gate.  


        I'm 'judging'.

      • Voyageur says:

        A very wise observation,OT.

      • Voyageur says:

        Unfortunately, Cookie, illegal immigration isn't a criminal offense and deportation isn't a criminal punishment.  If your parents don't pay their health insurance bill, the kids can lose their benefits.  If the kids were born in Mexico of Mexican parents, the 14th amendment's birthright citizenship doesn't apply.  If I don'pay my rent and get evicted, my kids are out on the street as well through no fault of their own.

        Heartless, yes, but it's the law.  With a decent man in the white house, we were managing the problem.  With the doofus from hell, those innocent kids are in trouble.

    • Republican 36 says:

      Michael, I could not agree more.

      Treating the DACA kids this way is no different than taking a white Anglo-Saxon protestant white kid from the streets of Kearney, Nebraska or Seattle, Washington and suddenly deporting them to Mexico or Thailand or some other country that most if not all have no connection with and are all but culturally devoid of a connection. In essence, Trump is condemning kids who are as American as any millennials born in the United States to a life of misery. Trump may have the law on his side but that is no excuse or justification for inhumanity and cruelty.

      • MichaelBowman says:

        I'm going to establish a 'Tuesday Jams Fest' and dedicate this song to our #MoranInChief 

      • mamajama55 says:

        This  makes me sick.  Drumpf talking about all the love and compassion and "heart" he has for DACA recipients, while shoving them back into the shadows or preparing to exile them from the country they grew up in.

        They were getting better jobs. They were getting bank accounts, starting families, volunteering. Over the next 6 months, during the cowardly countdown to Congressional action, they're going to be dialing all that back, taking fewer risks, contributing less.

        I personally know young people that are close to graduation, or have graduated, that will cancel all those glowing plans -to go to college, get a degree, join the military – that they were promised they could make without danger. Some will just disappear. Not show up one day, and we won't ever know why. All so FakePrez can posture for his racist base.

        Thousands of Denver students walked out today to protest rescinding of DACA. Fox had the report:

        • The realist says:

          Well said.

          I wonder if a certain former leader of a marauding WWII European country ever said something like #TrumpsterFire said – "I have love, compassion, heart for these people," as he sent them off to their fate.


        • Voyageur says:

          Tell the military inclined ones to stick with their plans.  That's still a traditional route to citizenship.  Otherwise, sigh, I'm out of ideas.

          • mamajama55 says:

            Unfortunately, V, enlistment in the military is not an automatic path to citizenship. Enlistees still have to apply and jump through hoops – but nobody tells them that. And many have gotten deported, even after years of honorable service.

            See CNN article. I became aware of this because I have a family member working for ACLU with these veterans who have been deported and are trying to come back "home".

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