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March 09, 2009 03:34 PM UTC

Monday Open Thread

  • 41 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“Don’t take the wrong side of an argument just because your opponent has taken the right side.”

–Baltasar Gracian

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41 thoughts on “Monday Open Thread

  1. It should be pinned on the nose of every obstructionist Republican.  

    One can have honest disagreement with economics and policy, but how can ANYone not be on board, for instance, the Lily Ledbetter Act?

    Oh, that’s right, see quote…..

    1. We ought to defer most of the things that get people riled up.

      What is required is a commander in chief that’s looked at like a commander in chief in a time of war.

      The people that behaved well are no doubt going to find themselves taking care of the people who didn’t behave well.

      -Warren Buffett 03/09/2009

      Smells like a wake-up call to the President and a cut at those who lack responsibility.

      Note that the 1st comment was a target at the irresponsible direction of Democrat leadership on certain issues … and I’m not talking about pro-life changes for the Stem Cell industry, got that Stern and Sweeney.

      As to Buffett’s policies on wealth taxation … I’m coming around to being with him … lets think about taxing the crap out of the billionaires (anyone above Rep Polis level), their foundations, tax shelters, overseas income, lifestyles, etc…

      1. a lot depends on your definition of responsibility. If you took out a loan thinking that you could afford it, because all evidence available to you said you could, and you paid the required payment for several years feeling very responsible, and then it turned out you couldn’t pay it when things went sour for you and the rates went up, did you behave responsibly?

        I’d say yes, you did.

        If Republicans want to campaign against people who took loan terms that were too generous, that would be a strange sort of class warfare. The $50,000aires vs. the $49,000aires. Personally I doubt either of them would rise to the Republican challenge, but hey, maybe Another Skeptic or Libertad could convince them to hate each other.

  2. Subsequent reviews were kinder than the few I saw last week, but it still seems to have widely mixed reviews.

    Personally I find it hard to trust reviews, since I thought Spiderman 2 was one of the worst movies (comic book or otherwise) I’d ever seen, and virtually every critic loved it.  

    1. I’m still planning on going with my Geek Posse, but I’ve been following the movie in post on various SFX sites. It feels like I’ve seen the whole thing already.

      Since it’s not the 3+ hour “Zack Cut” I’m tempted to skip it and wait for the DVD (with The Black Freighter.) However, I know I’ll go sometime in the next week anyway.

      It’s hard not to – I read the comic, one issue at a time in the late 80’s. And I had a trade comic ad of a Comedian quote in my wall locker for the first 8 years I was in the Army.

    2. It is hard to capture all the nuances of the graphic novel in a movie.  The director sure as hell tried, however.

      Timelines in the movie can be a little confusing and the interaction between the Watchmen may seem like fluff to those not familiar with the novel (i.e. not hopeless dweeb geeks like me).

      All in all, the movie stays true to the story, it is written well and the effects are stunning.  Expect dense plot lines if you know the novel and brain candy if you don’t.

      Rating

      Four out of five bills

    3. If you can make it down here, I’d recommend seeing it at the IMAX.

      Having said that, it was somewhere between “ok” and “good”.  They altered the ending in a way that didn’t make sense (if you want to know more, e-mail me at Haners@aol.com), and they didn’t do a good job conveying the sense of doom in the world that you felt in the comic, err, graphic novel.  But it was still a pretty good movie.

              1. The throwback from bad hair Galactica was executed by firing squad a few weeks ago, and there was much rejoicing.

                And Starbuck is the cosmic embryo at the end of 2001, obviously.

    4. Would have worked better as a mini-series on one of the cable movie networks.  HBO or Showtime would have given the story the time it deserves to work well.  Overall I enjoyed it, Zack Snyder obviously wanted to do this justice and it showed.  And personally I think the change at the end made more sense than the original, and I do expect flamage on that.

      1. I don’t see how this ending worked.  If that’s what had happened, what’s “uniting against [that] common enemy” going to do?  Especially given who was harboring that “common enemy”; you would think it would push the world closer to war, not away.  What good is uniting against a common enemy that can’t be beaten?

        1. *****SPOILER ALERT-DO NOT READ BELOW**********

          *****SPOILER ALERT-DO NOT READ BELOW**********

          *****SPOILER ALERT-DO NOT READ BELOW**********

          was the huge steaming hunk of evidence left in NYC.  It would be the most studied item on Earth for the foreseeable future.  I just couldn’t see some bright person figuring out that it was not of extra-terrestrial origin.  The changed plot left no such evidence around.  I just feel it worked better.

          1. True-especially now with more advanced genetic testing.

            But what good is uniting against Dr. Manhattan when the guy has the power to go to another galaxy and create life?  What do you even do to start to try and prepare against that.  Can you imagine what those meetings would look like?

            “Ok, so what are we going to do about Dr. Manhattan?  He killed millions, is unstoppable and very pissed.”

            :::A silence decends as room realizes they are helpless:::

            Especially since he was our weapon, wouldn’t it make sense that the whole world would be pretty pissed at us?

            However, the part at the prison made more sense.  Why slit a guy’s throat because he was in the way of the bars…because slitting his throat means…he’s still in the way.  And the scene where the bathroom door is swinging open and shut showing the little man’s impending doom was classic.

            1. The idea was that Adrian wanted to stop the missiles from flying, and that if he did nothing their flight was inevitable, so he caused a major catastrophe from outside the aggressors.  There might be some anger that Dr. Manhattan was originally American, but as the man paraphrased, “When you are looking at your own doom, it tends to focus the mind wonderfully.”

              And we have really gotten some comic book movie geekery in on a site supposedly dedicated to politics, haven’t we? 🙂

              1. And come up with some B.S. story about how Roschard’s mask was made from the skin of the pebble jumping mouse or something to tie it in to politics…but let’s face it; we’re all geeks here and it is not good to be a one dimensional geek lest we become too boring.

                Ari is right, while genetic testing wouldn’t have been an issue in 1985, I’m sure it would have become an issue eventually so you have a point there.

                So what did you think about the rest of the movie?

                1. Went with a couple of friends of mine.  One is a rabid Watchman fan but his wife hadn’t read the GN, they both enjoyed it as well.  It was as faithful to the story as you could be with the time they had, and the filming and SFX were excellent.  I am looking forward to the extended directors cut version.

            2. Is the movie set today? I thought it was supposed to still be in the mid 80s like the original. If so, then genetic testing wouldn’t be an issue – although the world’s smartest man probably could have foreseen it.

              Good insight geek. Never really thought about that before.

  3. but I really should have posted it here.

    Dick Wadhams speaking to the Los Angeles Times today:

    Another seat that appeared secure for Democrats may be up for grabs in Colorado after Ken Salazar left to become Interior secretary. His replacement, former Denver schools chief Michael Bennet, is a political neophyte who could face a primary fight.

    “It would have been a terribly uphill climb” to beat Salazar, said Colorado Republican Chairman Dick Wadhams, who suggests Republicans have “at least a 50-50 shot” of beating Bennet. [rsb emphasis]

    Not exactly brimming with confidence, is he?

      1. I think it says a lot about the paltry field that the guy who got “who the hell are you?” still rates coin flip odds according to the GOP chair.

  4. So here’s an interesting tidbit:

    This morning, as I was driving into Denver, I happened to be right behind a nifty little Jeep-thing with Obama stickers and a Legislative license plate – for HD 46.  No big deal… we see our elected officials on the highways all the time…

    But guess what Rep. Pace was doing as we were driving through a ‘construction zone’ in north Douglas County?  Talking on his cell phone. With no hands-free device.  And guess who’s in favor of a certain piece of legislation concerning said hands-free devices?  Yep.  The same Sal Pace.    

      1. and into Appropriations.

        I haven’t been paying attention lately, but usually there is a general bill stall until they work out how much money will actually be there.

        It’ll probably come up in the next week or so (my guess), the projected ticket revenue more than covers the cost of headsets for the DOT and the DOC, so expect fun 2nd and 3rd reading debates.  The Senate is never fun, so ignore it.

        For anyone interested, here’s the FN:

        http://www.leg.state.co.us/cli

        1. I wish I had thought about it and I would have whipped out my cool cell phone/camera… but that would have been “the pot calling the kettle” and all that.  Just take my word for it – the guy was on his cell in a traffic snarled construction zone.  

          Sal – check yourself, man.  

  5. http://coloradoindependent.com

    The ballot initiative process in this state is so far beyond repair that it may be impossible to fix without a constitutional convention–something that would probably be long and costly and take away our efforts to properly govern.

    I had no idea this is how it’s done, and it’s no wonder our constitution is so mangled.

  6. Which is not, surprisingly, to serve the American people as they were elected to do. No, it’s all about bringing down the other side. But at least he admits they’ll fail at their legislative goals. “We will lose on legislation. But we will win the message war every day, and every week, until November 2010.”

    Another gem: “Our goal is to bring down approval numbers for [Speaker Nancy] Pelosi and for House Democrats.”

    I’m sure all the folks who voted for him will sleep well tonight knowing that he’s putting his constituents’ needs above party ideology. A true model for the modern Conservative.

    http://theplumline.whorunsgov….

  7. Apparently many other creatures behave the same way.

    A canny chimpanzee who calmly collected a stash of rocks and then hurled them at zoo visitors in fits of rage has confirmed that apes can plan ahead just like [Republicans]



    Seemingly at ease with his position as leader of the group, Santino didn’t attack the other chimpanzees, Osvath told The Associated Press. The attacks were only directed at humans viewing the apes across the moat surrounding the island compound where they were held.

    However, he rarely hit visitors because of his poor aim, and no one was seriously injured in the cases when he did, Osvath said.

    Now we know where John Bonoboehner gets his instincts.

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