Thursday Open Thread

“Whoever seeks to set one religion against another seeks to destroy all religion.”

–Franklin D. Roosevelt

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  1. Andrew Carnegie says:

    Colorado's Contribution to the Clinton Campaign

    Platte River Networks, the company that managed Hillary Clinton’s private email servers after she left the State Department, is a continued source of insight into all things Clinton.  Among the nuggets unearthed involving Hillary "email" Clinton are:

    1. The server suffered at least one hacking attempt from a Russia-based computer in 2013, and three from China-based PCs in 2014.

    2.  When news broke of Clinton’s mass deletions of old emails, Platte execs worried about being implicated in what they believed was her “covering up some shaddy [shady] s - - t.” One even called it “Hillary’s coverup operation.”

     3. The IT folks later sought to “cover our asses.” On Aug. 19, 2015, Platte IT consultant Bill Thornton wrote colleagues: “Any chance you found an old email with their directives to cut the backups back in Oct‐-Feb? . . . If we had that email, we are golden.”

    4.  Thornton’s other damage-control idea: “Wondering how we can sneak an email in now after the fact asking them when they told us to cut the backups and have them confirm it for our records.” Per the NY Post.

    No wonder after knowingly destroying emails under subpoena that Hillary's Platte River team decided to take the 5th, the refuge of many a scoundrel.

    I wonder when the hacked emails are going to show up?

  2. Zappatero says:

    Colbert, by way of showing Donald Trump's years-long lie-fest about Obama, shows how CNN, NBC's Today Show, MSNBC, ABC, et al let Trump lie on their (and our) airwaves for years without push back (go to 4:05 to see the highly irresponsible media stars fall down on the job):

    This also shows why pushing back against Republican lies, no matter how often they're repeated or how ridiculous they may seem, is so important.

  3. Andrew Carnegie says:


    Like the lie about you can keep your policy?  Oops.

    • Zappatero says:

      That one was definitely a mistake, although that someone would keep an inferior and likely worthless insurance policy is also a mistake. But you'll defend the insurance companys' right to sell us worthless insurance to the death, right? Eventually, the administration adjusted the rules so you could keep your worthless insurance

      Trump campaign, supporters, and policy advisors are true Idiots (and Cruz and his peeps, too):

      Donald Trump this week came out in opposition to a plan that would see the US cede control over the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), the organization that oversees the allocation of domain names and IP addresses. In a statement published to Trump's website on Wednesday, Stephen Miller, the republican presidential candidate's national policy director, said that relinquishing US control over ICANN would "surrender American internet control to foreign powers," thereby jeopardizing internet freedom.

      Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) has led a Congressional movement to block the transition of ICANN control to a group of international stakeholders, which is to be completed on October 1st. Cruz, who has not endorsed Trump's presidential candidacy, has argued that the move would lead to more widespread censorship, based on the premise that countries like China and Russia would wield greater influence. But such claims have been widely discredited by experts who have pointed out that ICANN has nothing to do with online censorship.

      In an editorial for The Washington Post this week, Sir Tim Berners-Lee, the creator of the world wide web, and MIT professor Daniel Weitzner wrote that "the misguided call for the United States to exert unilateral control over ICANN does nothing to advance free speech because ICANN, in fact, has no power whatsoever over individual speech online. ICANN… supervises domain names on the Internet. The actual flow of traffic, and therefore speech, is up to individual network and platform operators."

    • Duke Cox says:

      I kept mine, PissAnt…but now I am on a single payer, socialized medical program….it's great!

    • BlueCat says:

      Yes It was stupid to assume that would be the case and make that promise.  But if that's all you've got compared to Trump's constant purposeful daily lying ….big deal.  

      Since the fact that you support Trump proves that you either are one of the racist/bigots he appeals to, are perfectly content that he uses lies, racism and bigotry as his primary campaign strategy or that you are a just another one of this con man's gullible marks, you have no credibility on the subject of lies.

  4. Andrew Carnegie says:

    Or how about the one about the 30,000 deleted emails were about Yoga class and Chelsea's wedding?  That one was a classic.

  5. Zappatero says:

    the success of the Republican Lie Machine on Damned Fools like the Librarian.

    Have a nice day, everyone! heart

  6. BlueCat says:

    The Trump campaign has paid over eight million to Trump family businesses. Between this and the fact that Trump uses a supposed Trump charity foundation to which he has contributed nothing since 2008 as a personal expense account, how much more proof do we need that Trump is using his reality TV presidential campaign (that has tragically morphed into a real campaign) to generate income for himself and his family because he needs the money? Just like he needed the money from his TV show and from his phony university.

    How much more proof do we need to see that he is not a real multi-billionaire business titan? He's just a brilliantly successful, self promoting grifter who has raised using saps, shell games, self promotion and plate spinning to a high art form. That… not business acumen… is his sole area of expertise. That's the only skill in his skill set, the only tool in his tool box.  

    It's campaign as another money making scam.

    • Andrew Carnegie says:

      The problem with making fun of Clinton conspiracy theories, is there often turns out to be truth in them, inconvenient truth from Clinton's perspective.  Like Clinton's health problems from nothing there to wake up Hillary.

      • BlueCat says:

        Did you watch the video? These aren't just any Clinton conspiracy theories. What's most notable, besides the sheer silliness of these particular theories, is that these people express no interest, none, nada, in evidence and freely admit that they have no evidence based reasons for believing the theories. They just do and are proud of themselves for it. 

        So are you like them or are you even worse, one of the Trump supporters who condones catering to people like them with lies, racism an bigotry?

        My guess is Moderatus is ignorant and gullible enough to be one of them. You, on the other hand, are a little too intelligent for that so you must belong to the latter category.


          • Conserv. Head Banger says:

            Bad news for Andrew and his like. The current issue of Bloomberg Business Week is the electorate issue and, among other interesting stuff, contains an interview conducted over several days last month with billionaire Mark Cuban. You know him; he actually made his money rather than inheriting it like Trump. Cuban supported Trump when he announced last year; now he says: "is there any bigger jagoff in the world than Donald Trump?" Cuban is voting for Hillary.

            When asked why, this is what Cuban says: "Two things led me to endorse Secretary Clinton. The first is that I did quite a bit of homework to understand all the allegations that were directed toward her and found almost all not based on fact and the remainder far from material. The tipping issues were Trump's positions on NATO, our treaties, his comments on nuclear weapons, and his lack of understanding of the concept of deterrence. His ignorance of these issues scared the shit out of me."

          • BlueCat says:

            OK, AC. With that response you've self identified as a perfect fit for the deplorable basket. HRC was way over generous to consign just half of Trump's supporters to it BTW. You've got plenty of company.

            • Davie says:

              It's really hard to imagine what AC hopes to gain from a Trump administration — a strengthened and newly consolidated USSR under Putin?  War with any country that personally offends Trump?  Ballooning deficits to subsidize the 1% to make up for the second Great Recession?  Millions of people thrown out of work, and out of the country?

              Does AC think the "cooler heads" in a GOP Congress will temper Trump's unpredictable actions?

              PT Barnum never ran for office.  That Republicans are so gullible and cynical to think Trump will be good for them, much less the US or the world is simply ludicrous

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