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September 14, 2016 07:06 AM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Let us never forget that government is ourselves and not an alien power over us.”

–Franklin D. Roosevelt

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  1. HIllary is Kickin' it. (per RCP)

    Latest Polls

    All Elections

    General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

    LA Times/USC Tracking

    Clinton42

    Trump47

    Trump +5

    General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein

    Reuters/Ipsos

    Clinton39

    Trump39

    Johnson8

    Stein2

    Tie

    General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

    Reuters/Ipsos

    Clinton40

    Trump39

    Clinton +1

    Ohio: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein

    Bloomberg

    Trump44

    Clinton39

    Johnson10

    Stein3

    Trump +5

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  3. Clinton’s GOP supporters expect something in return: Conservatives who abandoned Trump see jobs, access and influence over policy as the reward.

    Access, appointments and influence over a Clinton administration’s policies is the just dessert that a growing slate of conservative policy wonks, Capitol Hill veterans and former GOP administration officials say they expect for endorsing and in some cases raising money for the Democratic presidential nominee.

    And they’re already getting it. From messaging help delivered by Clinton’s communications team to direct and regular access to senior staffers and in-person meetings to discuss policy and strategy, Republicans who have abandoned Trump say the Democrat has given every indication that the GOP view will be reflected in her administration.

  5. Re Trump now being ahead in Colorado, I just checked 538 for its stats. 538 has tracked 10 Colorado polls in the past month. One shows Trump ahead and one shows a tie. The other 8 have Clinton ahead. 538 shows a polling average of Clinton being 5 points ahead in Colorado with a near 75% chance of a win here. Also worth noting that the cited Reuters/Ipsos poll had the smallest sample size of any of the ten.

    Still, I'll again repeat my statement that Blue Cat doesn't like. This is no time for you Dems to be complacent.

      1. Interesting point about the length of the survey period.  The Washington Post/Survey Monkey poll that shows Clinton with a 46-44 lead was conducted from August 9 – September 1. 

        1) Why such long survey periods?

        2) What effect does a long survey period have on the results, do you think?

        1. The effect of a long survey is that it  may not accurately reflect changes that affect where things are in the present. Say something bad happened in the early days for the subject but in the past few days there has been a turn around. A poll going back so far would still include numbers from the worst time. Unfortunately in this case that actually would make it worse news for Clinton to have such a poor showing even with results from better days as part of the final result.  

          On the other hand small samples aren't good for accuracy and the methodology can over or under weigh the various demos. It also matters whether it's registered or likely voters and how the pollster determines who the likely voters are.

          I generally check poll averaging sites that show the list of polls included and throw out obvious outliers on either side, then average what's left without them.

  6. Who you gonna believe about the affects of fracking – Hickenlooper or NASA?

    But a new and important source of methane is our increasing dependence on "natural gas" as a fuel for power generation. It's true that burning methane provides more energy per unit of CO2 emission, but the CO2 it emits is still CO2. In addition, methane leaks at every point in the production and usage process, from well heads to pipelines, to facilities that "liquefy" it for long-distance transport, to the transportation vehicles themselves, to delivery to customers, and finally at sites where it's ultimately burned. Every step of the process produces methane leakage. (Consider that the next time someone tries to sell a methane-dependent "bridge fuel" plan to the future.)

    But the most important source of methane leakage is from the fracking that's used to extract it.

    Put simply, fracking doesn't just cause earthquakes and water pollution. Fracking causes large methane leaks as well.

    NASA: Fracking is causing the largest methane leak in the country

    Nowhere is this more apparent than in the "four corners" region of the American Southwest, where Arizona, Colorado, Utah and New Mexico meet (see map above). We've known for years that there's a massive (visible from space) methane "hot spot" in that region. Now we know why. Fracking.

    Via Common Dreams:

    NASA Study Nails Fracking as Source of Massive Methane 'Hot Spot'

    The 2,500-square mile plume is said to be the largest concentration of the potent greenhouse gas in the country

    A NASA study released on Monday confirms that a methane "hot spot" in the Four Corners region of the American southwest is directly related to leaks from natural gas extraction, processing, and distribution.

    The 2,500-square mile plume, first detected in 2003 and confirmed by NASA satellite data in October 2014, is said to be the largest concentration of atmospheric methane in the U.S. and is more than triple a standard ground-based estimate. Methane, the primary component of natural gas, is a highly-efficient greenhouse gas—84 times more powerful than carbon dioxide, and a significant contributor to global warming.

    Why isn't every new home and building in CO required to have solar panels? 

    1. Zap: feel free to take on the homebuilders groups; and realtors associations; with your desire to have every new home and building equipped with solar panels. Not a bad idea, but……   what happens when the sun doesn't shine? Perhaps a better goal is to have greater standards for building insulation, leading to better building efficiency, and greater use of LED lighting.

      You're behind the times in your data collection. The side effects of gas production in the 4 Corners area have been known for at least 15 years. Finally, the BLM is pursing new regs that would require the bulk of escaping gas to be captured and put to beneficial use.

    1. Wow! That is rather shocking news.  As a descendant of slave-owning South Carolina farmers, I admit to wondering if I would have just gone along with the cultural norm at the time if I had been born and raised in that time and place.

      But the article's author has a strong case to say it's time to retire and replace the national anthem:

      "The Star-Spangled Banner" should've never been made into our national anthem. That President Woodrow Wilson, widely thought to be one of the most bigoted presidents ever elected, chose it as our national anthem, is painfully telling as well. We must do away with it like South Africans did away with their monument to Cecil Rhodes. We must do away with it like South Carolina did with the Confederate Flag over their state house.

      1. "America the Beautiful" and "My Country, 'Tis of Thee" both mention God. (As does "God Bless America", obviously…) "Yankee Doodle" is technically insulting to Americans (and has the word 'Yankee', which wouldn't calm Civil War sensitivities…).

        There's some support for "This Land Is Your Land", but I suspect that Seeger's political leanings and the political verses he wrote, even though they're not included in the 1944 version most commonly sung, would make it a non-starter for Republican politicians.

        At least we don't sing the third verse of "The Star-Spangled Banner" these days; verses past the first are so obscure as to be all but lost to the public ear.

        1. I vote for "This Land", if there were a serious discussion of changing anthems. It fits much better with modern and diverse musical audiences.. Baby Jay's is my favorite of dozens of  hip-hop versions of Woody Guthrie's classic.

          Sharon Jones and the Dap Kings made a great R&B version, too.

          Look up "This Land is Your Land" + remix and cover on youtube sometime- This is much more the anthem of the people.

          Shoot, even the radical militias could get behind it –

          As I was walking,

          I saw a sign there,

          and on the sign

          it said "No Trespassing"

          But on the other side

          It didn't say nothing

          That side was made for you and me.

           

          Here’s some eye and ear sweetness for you Bruce fans: a young Springsteen’s version of “This Land”:

        2. I don't find mentioning God a deal killer. It's just a song. On the other hand I do think it's totally inappropriate to include professing a religious belief in the pledge. It should go back to the original pre-nineteen fifties form. It won't and we won't be changing the national anthem either. If we could change it I think a competition for a brand new one would be in order.

          And no, I wouldn't be a fan of a twangy folk song for our national anthem. Just a matter of taste, to be sure. No offense to folk fans. 

          1. I never use "under God" while saying the pledge.  True, omitting it does draw the occasional lightning bolt, but if you time things carefully,you can use  that to light your cigar.

  8. I agree, Davie, but I can just imagine the hornets’ nest that will be kicked over if that bill is introduced in Congress: "Tradition!" "Whiners!" "History!" Political Correctness!" 

    On second thought, we won't have to wait for Congress, I'm sure Moddy, or A.C. (now that he seems to have resurfaced) will be along anytime to defend it.

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