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December 11, 2008 04:31 PM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“More things in politics happen by accident or exhaustion than happen by conspiracy.”

–Jeff Greenfield

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31 thoughts on “Thursday Open Thread

    1. OK, he sucks.  But blame the Illinois voters (See: GWB, Second Term).  

      Unlike Republican “circle the wagon” tactics and ideology, I don’t think you’ve seen one Dem here supporting or defending him.  

      1. When this all comes out I bet Obama and Emmanuel will have their finger prints on the trigger … I mean they had to have known this guy was dirty and to be confronted directly or through intermediaries as the Prez elect that this Guv wants some kind of kickback must have been the last straw.

        Imagine Obama’s grip on his blackberry when a staffer emails him that s/he gave Blogo the direction and appreciation, but that Blago suggested something that could be illegal.

    2. Which is why Obama nixed him being allowed to speak at the National Convention in Denver this year, which is why he can’t get a damned thing passed with his own legislature, which is why he just got arrested and indicted. Hell, he can’t even be bothered to live in the state capital of Springfield, like most governors have in the past.

      Because he’s crooked and he sucks.  

  1. I was amazed and proud when he named GEN Shinseki to be the head of the Department of Veterans Advocacy, but this just might trump it…

    Nobel Physicist Chosen To Be Energy Secretary

    President-elect Barack Obama has chosen Steven Chu, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist who heads the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, to be the next energy secretary, and he has picked veteran regulators from diverse backgrounds to fill three other key jobs on his environmental and climate-change team, Democratic sources said yesterday.

    Obama plans to name Carol M. Browner, Environmental Protection Agency administrator for eight years under President Bill Clinton, to fill a new White House post overseeing energy, environmental and climate policies, the sources said. Browner, a member of Obama’s transition team, is a principal at the Albright Group.

    Obama has also settled on Lisa P. Jackson, recently appointed chief of staff to New Jersey Gov. Jon S. Corzine (D) and former head of the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection, to head the EPA. Nancy Sutley, a deputy mayor of Los Angeles for energy and environment, will chair the White House Council on Environmental Quality.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/

  2. Okay, all points of view and all the other buzz words, but I found it weird that the libertarian love letter to the Black UN Helicopters crowd America: Freedom to Facism has played a cople times during this latest fundrasing drive (Saturday, Monday, Wednesday, and coming up again on Sunday). This is the ‘documentary’ about how the gold is gone from Fort Knox, the Federal Reserve is out to get us, the credit card companies are part of the new world order, and it is all the fault of IRS who are enforcing unconstitutional or non-existent laws.

    I suppose it isn’t any different than running one of the other flogging idiotic ideas thing that they put on during fund raising. There are the new age food gurus and the investment swamis. But even if I was not job hunting and thus too broke to donate it would make me wonder if I should. This is the sort of thing they hold up as a reason to donate? Bah.

    1. no matter how crazy they are (9/11 truthers aside.) Aaron Russo is kind of like a libertarian Michael Moore, but with less humor, and more paranoia.

      I give props to KBDI for airing it, because they are about the only non-cable network that would have the guts to do so.

      1. If KBDI aired a documentary about how Al Gore was behind 9/11 (to pick one that isn’t a real world example) would you admire that too?

        I’m seriously asking you, I do not understand why it is good to air all viewpoints, even the ones that are unambiguously false. If I asserted that the Catholic Church was hiding the truth about Jesus and Peter’s relationship should they air that too?

          1. I’ve never seen a Michael Moore film, but from what I’ve heard of them, yes. I would be just as foaming at the mouth about his playing fast and loose with the truth if what I’ve read about him is accurate.

            1. You should see some of his movies though, they’re quite entertaining.

              I guess I just don’t see the problem because we’re constantly lied to about things by most media sources. It’s up to you to decide what you want to believe or not believe, and KBDI is just providing an alternate viewpoint–even if it is full of shit.

                1. I’ve just taken off my glasses and rubbed the bridge of my nose in pain.

                  So, then, I guess we should be teaching Creationism in school and that global warming is just god hugging us closer as well. Because there is no metric for determining what is true and what isn’t. How about some holocaust denial as well, it’s all fair game! Just a point of view and who can say what’s really true?

                  1. There has to be a line. Fortunately, there are people like you and me who question what we’re told.

                    There’s also that pesky first amendment, which, unfortunately, covers lying so long as it’s not libelous.

              1. I think we’re lied to a lot less than you think. Sins of omission and overhyped, yes, absolutely. And personally I cannot stand to watch television news because they present so little actual information I get bored. But outright lying equivalent to what I saw in America: Freedom to Fascism? Nope. Simply not so.

    2. During one of the breaks they read a comment from a viewer.  He thinks that KBDI is too left-leaning.  I thought Harber was going to swallow his tongue on that.

      (When I typed KBDI it came out as DBI, so you’re doing better than I am.)

  3. McConnell shuts down the good-money-after-bad bailout…

    “There are many principled reasons to oppose this bill. But the simplest one is also the best: ‘a government big enough to give us everything we want is a government big enough to take everything we have.’ This is as true for individuals as it is for business. It’s the primary principle on which American industry, including the auto industry, was built. And even in turbulent moments like this – perhaps especially at moments like this – it’s a principle well worth defending.

    “Some argue that the effects of an auto industry collapse would be too acute and far-reaching for an already-struggling economy to bear. This is impossible to know. And even if we grant that these companies would fail without taxpayer help, we would still have to ask ourselves whether the proposal before us achieves the goal that everyone claims to embrace – namely, the long-term viability of ailing car companies – and, in my view, it does not.

    “I have already enumerated some of the weaknesses in the plan. But in the end, its greatest single flaw is that it promises taxpayer money today for reforms that may or may not come tomorrow.[See: Tearing up gratuitous UAW contract] And we would not be serving the American taxpayer well if we spent their hard-earned money without knowing with certainty that their investment would result in stronger, leaner auto companies that would not need additional taxpayer help just a few months or weeks down the road.

    “We simply cannot ask the American taxpayer to subsidize failure.

    1. OR, good for him for doing his best to quash competition from any unionized auto manufacturers in the US.  A big chunk of Kentucky’s GDP is in auto manufacturing (all RTW).

      He’s just representing his home state.  I’d like to see how principled he’d be if he represented Michigan.

    1. I agree that “clean coal” sounds like perfume exiting the smokestacks, but it IS a carbon reduction technology. The ad offers no data to counter that.

      I’m more worried about the mining of the coal, the forgotten part of any coal technology.  

      1. which, as far as I know, is true. There are lots of technologies that would solve problems in this country, if only they were invented. At some point we have to base policy on what technology we actually have, not what we wish we had.

        If you want to counter the impression of the ad, feel free to provide your own data.

        1. I’m not aware of any operational plants that capture and sequesture the CO2, but they are on the drawing boards.  I think that’s the thrust of what “clean coal” means.

          Yes, it’s a bit of a spin, but not out of bounds.  Now, what do we do with all those open pit mines scarring the earth?  

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