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August 29, 2008 03:31 AM UTC
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Goodman’s correct in calling for honest reporting on the number of uninsured American citizens who can’t afford to buy or are too unhealthy to buy health insurance.
There are about 6 million uninsured, at most, as I’ve noted here before.
But it’s in the interests of liberal politicians to hype the 47 million uninsured number, which is widely inflated and wrong.
The debate needs to be reframed, but not tonight, thank you.
The statistics from the US GOVERNMENT run by the very liberal George Bush is where the 47 million comes from.
I know the GOP strategy is to lie about the facts. And when presented with facts conservatives lie lounder. And when presented with overwhelming evidence then they lie and impugn the truthspeakers patriotism. And now with McCain at the helm, when the lies become to much to bear and the conservatives wimper in the corner then the cry “but he didn’t have health insurance when he was a POW” as if that was relevant. Pitiful.
I won’t even go into the under insured or the number of bankruptcies caused by health insurance crime or the insurance delays that result in the murder of people who paid for policies or requirement that everytime you make a major claim you have to bring a lawyer with you.
Insurance companies kill more people than the Mob and their tactics are equivalent.
It’s late, but I can document the numbers as I have on this blog before.
Waiting.
Waiting.
Waiting.
And no, Limbaugh is not one.
LA Times article links to the real info.
Search google.
serarch editorialsIBD.com.
Some bloggers have covered the topic extensively.
There are two Census Bureau reports. One says 45 million uninsured, another 36 million or so. Subtract 15 to 20 million uninsured illegals, 14 million people who make over $50k but refuse to buy insurance, and you’re down to 6 million in no time.
Bloggers? Seriously? Hell I’m a blogger and I don’t consider myself a “source”.
So you find 2 numbers take the lower of them then subtract the highest estimate of illegals, some of which have insurance and then arbitrarily deterimine who can afford insurance (mine costs 12k a year for my family–which leaves nothing after mortgage, food and energy to save for college and retirement.
You are silly.
… because they aren’t held to any standard of proof. Editorials can say the sky is green and will be published by papers like the IBD if it suits them. But not their news articles.
So sorry, but you lose the debate if you can’t find news articles to back you up.
Oh yeah – the “debate” I had the other day with Skeptic about Unfit for Command, in which he never responded to my note on the quality of the book’s sourcing…
Suggest you check those threads.
Just an FYI, Here’s your original post. Note the responses down at the bottom that are completely unanswered.
Suggest you check the thread a bit more closely. And while you’re at it, you might want to improve your sourcing on this thread, too.
pathetic really.
But hey, that’s the conservative mantra – use crap math, crap statistics, junk science or weak sources to refuse to even acknowledge that there’s a problem, and problem solved !
“Mr President, what do you think about recent commentary from leading economists that gas is forecasted to reach $ 4 per gallon”
“I hadn’t heard that”
You guys are in la-la land.
You seem to think that you walk in, get fixed, and walk out.
Many years ago I was forced (financially) to visit the LA county hospital in the NE San Fernanco Valley. I had incised the back of my right knee whilst pulling a wheelie that didn’t work, new tire and all that. OK, I was stupid. (Don’t tell Gecko.)
Regardless, a friend took me there about 9 AM. I waited until 9 PM for service, mostly because of the babies being born to illegals. I was in a lot of pain and had to hop the the vending machines for food, every hop hurting immensely. I ran out of money, hence, food. Because I could not pay even the $60 upfront charge, I was hounded for a year for payment many times that.
The illegals, experience shows, slip away into the night, if not Mexico. I’ve read that the LA county hospital system is closing units because of the load.
Yeah, that’s real health care, isn’t it?
Even where there is ‘universal health insurance,’ people fall through the cracks.
In the single-payer countries, you’re more likely to fall through the cracks if you’re really sick, and even more so if you’re old or frail. They let you suffer, hoping you’ll die before they have to help you.
therefore it’s ok that our system sucks
Starting with Medicare and Medicaid, politicians have been distorting the health insurance markets for some 43 years.
Politicians impose ‘reforms’ that help them, not patients.
to the millions and millions whom those programs have helped.
hundreds of dollars for the morphine.
Part of a smart health care system will involve rationing. We ration health care here. We put new hearts in old farts but won’t pay for a mammogram for a woman yet to live a long life.
75% of people think they’re smarter and more competent than they are.
And some 40% of people are dumb enough to believe government health programs would be better than the private markets.
Their government run system sucks ! Maybe they should insert some trustworthy health insurance companies into the mix to shore it up.
Oh wait, their system is a total success and thats’ why ours is pathetic. Nevermind.
If our system is so fucking great Skeptic, why are American’s traveling to countries like India and Thailand in droves to get care ?
You just don’t get it.
that they are all clamoring to copy the American so-called system.
Right?
Yeah.
that is the American HMO model
is not going to play well with the Hillary supporters McCain is trying to court with his pick of Sarah Plain–I mean, Palin.
to ignore reality sounds like a winner! Just like his other advisors who tell him our country is on sound economic footing the American people are just a bunch of whiners. With the addition of Palin telling McCain that creationism is the key to education, it sounds like McCain has quite the brain-trust.