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There were some good zingers thrown out tonight; it seems we’re finally getting into “red meat” territory, and there are bound to be some trial balloon slogans being pushed about.
What are your favorites?
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“Petro-dictators will never own American wind and sunshine!” — Gov. Schweitzer
“If we drill in all of McCain’s backyards – even the ones he doesn’t know he has…” — Gov. Schweitzer
“If McCain is the answer, then the question must be ridiculous.” — Gov. Patterson
“No way. No how. No McCain!” — Sen. Clinton
Killed it. Why wasn’t he VP again? Too conservative?
Let him win his re-election campaign this year and simmer for a bit. He’ll be around.
For this first term, I think Biden is a good pick; the VP is likely to play a very active supporting role helping Obama patch the country back together. Biden’s got just the right skills for some of the more daunting tasks ahead.
Schweitzer would have, IMHO, helped during the election to deliver working-class America (and especially the West), but after the election his skills wouldn’t have been as good a fit as Biden’s. Hopefully we don’t need Schweitzer to bring home the mountain states, and Biden will be in the right spot come Jan. 20.
I saw him for the first time last night and man this guy is a firecracker. Funny, an engaging, biting wit and down to earth. It also was good to see a bolo tie up there – hope to see Salazar’s cowboy hat tonight !
I think it was last year. Very engaging, and definitely has a future in national politics if he wants one. He has a way of making the GOP’s ludicrous policies stand out to the average guy that is absolutely devastating.
I thought you were talking about Barack Obama.
“I’ve never been a governor and I’ve only been a U.S. senator for three and a half years, but I’m ready to be your president for the next four years.”
Somehow, I don’t think we will be hearing that phrase from Invesco Field tomorrow night. It rings true, but it just doesn’t fit into “the audacity of hype.”
when he decided to run for President. Did that stop you from voting for him in 2000?
…were spent in a state with a weak governor. And after his re-election, he did as little as possible as he geared up for a presidential run.
Texas governor does less than Colo Lt Governor. He enjoyed ordering executions.
He obviously gets very excited by death.
He started with frogs and cats, then convicts, now soldiers and innocents.
but being the governor of the second most populous state — one with an international border — trumps the federal, or executive, experience that Barack Obama brings to the table.
voters don’t know that going into the election. That was true in 2000 and it is true in 2008. In fact, you could almost spin that into look what a lack of experience got us in 2000. Should we risk it again in 2008?
But I appreciate the fact that you seem literally capable of spinning anything.
One wonders how you walk straight with that constant spinning.
Yes, I am aware he did not get the majority of the popular vote in 2000 (the fourth time that has happened in a U.S. presidential election) but Gore didn’t win the Electoral College, did he? (Spare me the ridiculous “we wuz robbed in Florida” nonsense!)
More importantly, when Bush ran for re-election in 2004, he actually won a majority of the popular vote… something Bill Clinton couldn’t do in either of his elections! That’s not spinning. Those are facts.
Most voters believed in 2000 that it didn’t matter whether the President knew what he was doing, since everything would naturally be just fine. George W. Bush was that guy.
The rest of your post is irrelevant, as it seems to ignore the fact that you admitted spinning in the post I was replying to, and just filibusters with a bunch of other factoids.
Oh right, you’re a Republican. Filibustering is the thing you’re good at.
In fact, if I did buy into that, the results would not speak very well of your candidate. After all, Al Gore won the popular vote.
Now what I actually wrote was:
I wasn’t spinning anything. I merely pointed that your questionable argument could easily be turned against you… twice!
First, by using the inexperience question. Second, by your questioning the judgment of most voters in 2000.
I, the Democrat, am talking about governing.
You, the Republican, are talking about winning the election.
That speaks volumes.
Because you can’t govern, if you can’t win. That’s the nature of politics in an election year… pure and simple.
Lincoln, Dubya… the list of Presidents with “little” prior experience is not tiny.
When considering the ticket and the perception of it, though, Obama went with an experienced running mate as a counter to some of those views – much like Dubya did in 2000. Let’s face it, if Cheney hadn’t been on GHWB’s ticket, he would have lost beyond any shadow of doubt.
Things were a lot different in 1860 than they are now. The country was much smaller then, communications were much slower, and the Democrats were seriously divided by regional differences.
Obama offers less political executive, or congressional, experience than any candidate, from either party, in the last 100 years. That may be a big leap of faith that the majority of voters are not comfortable making.
Dick Cheney was a Washington “insider” for sure in 2000. No doubt that is why George W. Bush (not GHWB’s ticket) chose him as his running mate. But I don’t think Cheney’s presence drew any additional votes. As I have stated many times before: Come November, no one votes for vice president.
How Republican of you.
But trying to claim that the circumstances and nature of the presidential campaign of 1860 were even remotely the same to the one in 2008 is truly “comparing apples and oranges.” I was genuinely surprised to see Al Gore try and do that in his speech tonight. What’s next? Is someone going to now claim Lincoln and Obama were both born in a log cabin? The historic time frames in question are literally — and figuratively — nearly a century and a half apart.
things ain’t that much different. Your view is quite scewed, actually.
Was the best one I saw, but i didnt see Schweitzer.
Governor Scweitzer was excellent! You guys should have made him your keynote speaker. Mark Warner just wasn’t all that inspiring.
On the MSM coverage, the punditocracy was incessantly bloviating about “What Hillary Needs To Do.” The rest of the convention was just background noise.
I flipped on the TV, either CNN or MSNBC was on; I don’t remember which. I heard the crowd going nuts in the background behind the blowhards. I flipped to CSPAN to see what the excitement was about. It was Schweitzer.
Great speech. See below:
PBS showed Schweitzer’s speech in its entirety, I think. It was great. I’d buy a used car from him 😉
A lot of that good ole black preacher start slowly, ramp up, and get the congregation, er, convention responding.
Obama does it, no doubt copying Rev. Wright. I think Hillary did some it last night.
Other great speakers like FDR use tools like vocabulary and discussion of dreams. Different stuff, both work.
you can watch uninterrupted coverage on channel 211. That’s what I’ve been watching because the talking heads on the networks can’t SHUT UP.
I can’t even listen to them anymore. It’s not surprising that the issues are never talked about in this election, considering the media controls the dialouge, and they never do.
PBS has been fairly good with their analysis, but watching it uninterrupted is so much better.
None of these will stick, imo.
The four more years lie is working best for the Dems, but that may not wear well.
Best line for the GOP:
He’s not ready. Hillary’s right.
I think we’ll hear some better lines next week.
Anne Richards still is the champion quipster.
And she was a loser.
There’s a reason Obama and the lefty pundits don’t want us to read Obama Nation.
It’s extremely well documented, as was Unfit for Command, and it shows how Obama left out important facts about his grand parents, parents and his own life, facts that hurt him rather than help him.
Obama has his own house memory problems. He can’t (or more likely won’t) remember the muslim houses of worship where he studied the Koran. And for such a bright guy, it’s amazing how confused he is about where he lived in Indonesia.
Amazingly useful book by a guy who doesn’t want Obama to be president.
Of course, like all autobiographies, Obama’s books are inaccurate and biased, written to sell him to the gullible.
… then you might want to take a course in sourcing and reporting. Your use of that book – contradicted by military records and first-hand accounts – invalidates anything you might say about “Obama Nation”.
The author’s a Ph.D., and his sourcing is what made the book credible and made it sing.
A Ph.D. doesn’t purge you of bias. First thing you learn if you take a serious history course is that bias taints all material, and it’s your job to start by reading past the bias. John O’Neill, the primary author of the section of the book dealing with Kerry’s time in Vietnam, was “assigned” to attack Kerry back in 1971 under the Nixon administration; he is hardly a reliable biographer under the circumstances.
Here’s a refutation of one of O’Neill’s major points in the book, from the Wall Street Journal Op-Ed pages: the personal account of Jim Rassmann.
Publisher’s Weekly review states:
From an historian’s POV, they review tells me the bias of the book is obvious and interferes with a proper accounting of history, and further that it relies on third-hand accounts and 35-year-old “recollections” of a limited number of people, some of who were not even with Kerry, to reach its conclusions.
Not a ringing endorsement.
Publisher’s Weekly is a bookseller’s insider service. It evaluates books based on what they purport to be, with no political bias. In this case, the book is sold as a biography and history, so the review is written in part to address those points which historians judge most important. O’Neill and Corsi fail miserably on those points.
responding to your own comments, AS!! It’s really obnoxious. If you want to write that much, write a diary.
But when I have another thought, I add it. Nobody reads long posts, anyway.
Brevity is the soul of wit.
replies to your own comments “brevity”? That is the last word I would apply to our friend the Skeptic.
I guess that the concept of “appropriate” is beyond your reach.
BTW, your abbreviated name is missing an S.
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Out of all the zingers last night that was the absolute best IMHO. Good job Hillary !
n/t
She was great, and was the least grating she’s been since she started running.
Maybe because the pressure’s totally off her and on Obama.
… she’s ditched her horrible advisory staff and was able to “be herself”. We always complained about Al Gore’s ever-changing suits and moods, blamed on his own campaign staffing. HRC was no different; we’d just about get to see the “real” Hillary and then some other lady would step out on stage.
If this Hillary had stepped up earlier and stayed on when Obama entered the race, I don’t think we’d have seen the same results.
If the Reverend Wright stuff had come out before February, she’d have won. She crushed him after the revelations. He was able to win because of his early lead he’d built up.
But a primary, or any election, starts at the beginning and ends at the end.
If Clinton’s people didn’t plan for the whole thing, start to finish, caucuses as well as primaries, little states as well as big states, they screwed up. And by extension, since she hired them, she did too.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Getting tired of it.
Both Hillary and Obama are much better campaigners today than they were a year ago. Both learned a lot in this campaign. And Hillary will be formidable if she runs in 2016.
I think almost everyone on both sides recognized in the spring how HRC’s foil kept sharpening Obama. They helped each other a lot.
That line had such an impact on me. I’m not a big Hillary fan, but if I was one of the handful of Hillary supporters with strong bitter feelings, that comment alone would have made me take a long hard look at what I ultimately hoped for in this election.
If she says that it makes anyone still refusing to support Obama seem incredibly selfish and self-centered.
“With eyes firmly fixed on the future, in the spirit of unity, with the goal of victory, with faith in our party and our country, let’s declare together, in one voice, right here, right now, that Barack Obama is our candidate and he will be our President. Madame Secretary, I move that the convention suspend the procedural rules and suspend the further conduct of the roll cal vote – all votes cast by the delegates will be counted – and I move Senator Barack Obama of Illinois be sleceted by this convetion by acclamation as the nominee of the democtaric party for president of the United States.”
the entire state’s a beer ad.
–Aasif Mandvi of the Daily Show
When Sen. Barack Obama moves the Democratic National Convention from the Pepsi Center to Invesco Field on Thursday, the freshman senator is planning to speak from a columned stage resembling an ancient Greek temple.
“Is this from the Onion?” quipped a McCain advisor.
…or our city hall, or the park across from it.
Ho hum! It just suggests gravitas. Like so much of the Obama campaign, great psychology.
Classical art and architecture is TOTALLY ELITIST!
Yes, wasn’t it the Greeks who gave us Totalitarianism?
Biden is probably the best speaker on the agenda for the entire convo….his speech will likely have several that qualify for the top ten list.
Both Kennedy & Hillary knocked it out of the park. And we have Bill, Biden, and Obama still to go.
Talk about an embarassment of riches…
the Republicans have Joe Lieberman (*yawn*)to look forward to….
Makes Mark Warner look like Cicero.
Best line of the year, but GOP convention probably will bore.
“Thanks, but no thanks.”
Why did he go to Pakistan? No one seems to know. Was it to get money to support his terrorist friend? If ths shoe fits.
LOL? Obama voted to increase taxes on everyone, you and I include 94 times out of 94, gee I wonder who is help killing the economy. Stocks up 400+ today, Bush gets credit for that then? Because it was his and McCain’s fault when they dropped. NO, Obama will make up another lie about he pioneerd some bill, like he LIED about Monday, he didn’t and he didn’t even vote on it. People wake up, he is a socialist liar. Don’t blame the prior administration when the economy goes in the tubes, because he is about placing blame not solving problems through working across party lines.