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You have an error on your Big Line. You put a (D) before Michael Bennet.
Mike's tag should be ET for Establishment Tool.
That was funny.
Any chance Polis runs and spices up the primary?
What would be the point? He's just as pro-corporate centrist as Bennet. Watching Polis try to run to the left of Bennet would be even funnier than it was watching DLC centrist Romanoff trying it .
BC,
My read from afar was the Polis is in fact to the left of Bennet. I think he is the only Dem with the ability to beat Bennet in a primary and I did not know if there were was any movement afoot.
The only things Polis seems to be left of center on are social issues or stuff that affects him personally like fracking in his back yard. And on the social issues he and all Dems are really pretty dead center according to polls. Majorities support almost everything your team calls lefty. Look at his record on anything economic and you'll see a very pro-corporate centrist. I'm not sure what they'd convincingly argue about in a primary. But, statewide, I'm sure he'd be perceived automatically as more liberal because he's a gay guy with a husband and kid who was upset at Big Oil and Gas messing with his country place. That all might not play as well statewide as we'd all like to think.
Still don't see all that much difference between Bennet and Mr. Lets Support a Federal Balanced Budget Romanoff by any objective measure. I see some. But not nearly enough to explain why you consider one of them a great Dem and the other next door to Satan. And Polis is even closer to peas in a pod with Bennet than Romanoff. Bet you consider him a much better Dem too. Guess the right doesn't have the monopoly on creating their own reality.
For that matter, you, David, are pretty much an old fashioned Main Street Republican on plenty of issues. And you're always telling us how great your mom is and she 's an actual Republican pol, probably votes and raises funds for hre party to help get more of them elected every cycle. So why is Bennet so terrible and Romanoff, Polis, you and your Republican pol mom so much to be preferred? I don't get it at all.
My big problem with Senator Bennet [$] is not where he sits on the conservative/liberal scale but that he's a wholly owned subsidiary of Wall St (and others who feed him lots of money). And in doing their bidding is doing his best to allow Wall St to destroy the economy again.
I prefer legislators who will at least balance the interest of the country & the people with the interests of their major campaign contributors. I think Jared Polis & Andrew Romanoff both try to do what they think will work best. Doesn't mean it's what you or I think is best, but they are focused on what is best for all of us, not what is best for Wall St. (And in the case of my mom, I know she focuses on what's best for the people of Hawaii.)
I think if you examine voting records you will find little evidence that Bennet is more inclined to vote corporate interests than Polis is. There is simply n rational subjective basis for seeing one as so much worse than the other which you obviously do. It's also worth noting that the last time Andrew actually got elected to anything he was taking the same kind of big money as anybody else and was very heavily into PACS. He's changed his tune but since hasn't won any elections.
PS If your mom also helps Republican majorities get elected, I don't see how Bennet is doing us more harm than she is. Your singling out Bennet as exceptionally evil seems to be based on feelings rather than anything subjective.
In politics, perception often becomes reality. You're right about Bennet, Polis, and Romanoff but that's not how everyone sees them.
All the powerful Dems, including Obama and HRC, take plenty of Big Money and have been very kind to Wall Street. I realize this is just the reality of how things work and we aren't going to get pols elected to high office who are pure as the driven snow. I also would prefer to push things in a different direction and believe we can, especially in the internet era, if we push relentlessly. What I don't understand is vilifying some while adoring others based on nothing close to, not even in the same ball park with, objective reality.
I would think those of us who pay enough attention to be participating here would be little bit more rational and less emotional and easily manipulated in making these judgments. Bennet is no more or less a "wholly owned subsidiary of Wall Street" than the overwhelming majority Senators, including the overwhelming majority of Dems in the Senate and including most of the Dems we've been voting for all these years. I would hope most of us have more sense about these things than the low info majorities who poll in favor of policies supported by Dems but go on to elect R majorities to congress and don't even know who supports what.
It's just plain silly to have such disparate views of such essentially similar pols based almost entirely on purely subjective feelings not born out at all by their voting records or stands on almost every issue. I find David's hysterical antipathy towards Bennet and the conviction that he is especially beholden to Wall Street compared to other Dem pols he likes just fine pretty comical. Also entirely in keeping with the the all over the map David world view in which I've never been able to detect any ideological pattern independent of "feelings".
B.C., the fear of a republican majority in Hawaii isn't high on my list. I happily made a modest contribution to Dave's mom to support a two party system with rational voices on both sides of the aisle.
No but I'm sure she probably supports raising money for the Republican party in ways that help Rs get elected all over the country. Dems, especially elected Dem pols, support and raise funds for DSCC, DCCC and other fundraising arms of the Dem party and I'm sure, as an R pol, David's mom does the same for her side. My point isn't that David's mom is a terrible person (though I wouldn't vote for any Republican myself because the sensible presence in that party is now so negligible they don't have any influence) but, unlike the perfectly typical Dem, Bennet, who is too Republican for David, she's an actual Republican who supports the election other Republicans in general, not just in Hawaii. So David's hysterical antipathy for Bennet for, among other things, being just like a Republican, seems pretty silly to me coming from someone doesn't mind either other equally beholden to Wall Street Dems or supporters of the Republican party, such as his mom. I think it's silly that he only sees Bennet as Satanic.
Bismarck also said, "The biggest lies are told just before the wedding, immediately after the hunt and in the middle of the political campaign."
Immigration will bring down the gop http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/15/republicans-immigration_n_6482718.html#comments
unfortunately not fast enough
With all this Chaps talk, I forgot about Rep.Cletus' return.
HB15-1099: Concerning The Management of Black Bears by Hunting
The Supreme Court is going to revisit gay marriage. Hopefully this will bring freedom (to marry) to those still trapped behind the iron curtain of homophobia.
<insert joke about gays and curtains here>
Iron curtains are so 1991. People, bronze is the new fall color!
You're welcome, Pcat.
That gave me a good laugh to start the weekend. Thanks!
I just got here for the first time since this morning. I've been busy reading every story I can find on background and prognostication concerning same-gender marriage and SCOTUS. I'm reminded once again of what I told my wife after Windsor v US was handed down in '13."One of these days Scalia is going to learn to keep his smart-ass comments to himself in his dissents on the subject of gay rights". He made a crack in his Lawrence dissent that if "sodomy" was acceptable, what was the bar to anti-discrimination laws. In his dissent in Romer v Evans, he remarked that if discrimination was forbidden there was no bar to full marriage equality. He's a slow learner, that one- fortunately for the rest of us.
Looks like Scott Tipton is looking at a run against Bennet in '16. Watch out, Darryl Glenn.