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July 14, 2008 03:34 PM UTC

Monday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Histories are more full of examples of the fidelity of dogs than of friends.”

–Alexander Pope

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22 thoughts on “Monday Open Thread

  1. http://www.time.com/time/magaz

    Since 2000, Libertarian candidates have peeled off enough votes from Republican congressional candidates to cost the party races in Washington, Nevada, Montana and, most recently, Louisiana.

    The current general election has seemed at times a contest about who can crib off the other party’s platform more, from McCain’s enthusiasm for using government to fight global warming to Obama’s hedging on warrantless wiretapping. For an electorate having a harder time distinguishing Coke from Pepsi, there’s a thirst for something–anything–new.

    The party ticket is directed by Ross Perot’s old campaign manager and is already polling a respectable 6% nationwide in the latest Zogby poll–exactly the same percentage that separates McCain and Obama. Not all of Barr’s voters would be McCain voters, of course, but Barr did best with conservatives (7%) and independents (11%).

  2. In a statistical tie with McCain.

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/145737

    Granted, there was no doubt a bounce after he caged Hillary, and there will be more ups and downs after the conventions, but so much so soon?

    My take is that if he had kept his more liberal, progressive stances, he would still be leading.  You know the old phrase about standing for nothing.  The Dems elected to Congress in 2006 had pretty strong, unwavering stances, even if relatively conservative.

    The indies see this flip-flopping and know that it’s a pandering to them.  The cons are going to vote for McBush anyway.  

    Gee, thanks, Obama!

    1. The demographics for the poll have changed significantly from their last poll, and all of the changes have favored McCain’s strongest groups.  It’s impossible to compare their two most recent polls to each other directly.

        1. I think Obama’s damaged his credibility somewhat by caving on FISA.  It was the wrong decision, and unnecessary.

          His poll numbers (and his fundraising) may be hurt because of it, but in the end, most of the drop probably comes from the Democratic faithful, who will 99.9% come to their senses and realize they can’t choose a better candidate than Obama this Fall.

          1. Obama finds that caving on FISA cost him more than it helped. So he learns that there are costs in moving to the center. But he still wins the election.

            I’m hoping the same happens to Udall – that he still wins but in hindsight finds that his cave on FISA hurt him more than it helped him.

          2. He has moved up and down but so far has stayed ahead of McCain, even if only by less then the margin of error.  It’s  certainly not conclusive at this stage but better than the if the shoe was on the other foot.

    2. http://electoralmap.net/index.php

      “If the state-by-state elections were truly independent events, the Intrade probabilities would translate to an overall 17% chance of John McCain winning the election.  A separate bet you can make at Intrade, shown here, currently has McCain’s overall chances closer to 32%.”

    3. …part of the drop in his popularity was his decision to embrace his vanquished primary opponent and be seen campaigning and fundraising with her.

        What the hell is he supposed to do?  Keep running against her even after she’s conceded the nomination?

  3. A profile in today’s NYT on Steve Farber and his efforts to raise $$ for the Democratic Convention.  Worth a look…

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07

    In terms of lobbyists, few are more connected – both west of the Mississippi and in the corridors of power in Washington – than Steve Farber, a Denver lawyer whose political contacts have thrust him into a central fund-raising role for the Democratic National Convention.

    Mr. Farber’s vast contact list could prove crucial in raising the millions of dollars needed by the Denver host committee to showcase Senator Barack Obama and the Democratic Party in August in Denver. But Mr. Farber’s activities are a public display of how corporate connections fuel politics – exactly the type of special influence that Mr. Obama had pledged to expunge from politics when he said he would not accept donations from lobbyists.  (cont…)

    1. Now Obama owes favors to a lobbyist who raises money for a convention that really isn’t needed IMHO.  

      Why does the convention, which is basically unnecessary, cost so much ?  Couldn’t at least some of that money be used for the general election ?  Politics.

      1. Only if you ignore the media circus around the convention that signifies the launch of our candidate into the General Election.  It is, in fact, the first major event of the General Election.

        Tell you what – we can ditch the Convention as soon as the Republicans decide to ditch theirs.  Let me know when you think that will happen.

        1. “Only if you ignore the media circus around the convention that signifies the launch of our candidate into the General Election. ”

          I know.  The media haven’t covered Obama or McCain enough already, and we need more.  What kind of rock do people have to be living under to not know more than they ever wanted about either candidate ?  And if they are living under that rock, will any amount of media ever get their attention ?  How much more courting of the ignorant and ill informed does it take ?

          Enough already.  Lets get it over with.  

          And to answer your question, the republicans are not going to ditch their convention, but you know it dosen’t really matter anyway.  This is the crappiest year in a lifetime to be a Republican, and for good reason.

  4. Bob Ewegen posted that his souces in the Fitz-Gerald and Polis campaigns say that internal polls show Polis ahead. If Ewegen is right Polis might be on his way to Congress.  With his money he will be hard to catch.

    Can anyone add to that rumor?

    Does anyone have information on internal polling  on the two Republican Congressional primaries?  

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