It has become something of a tradition here at Colorado Pols for us to give you, our loyal readers, a live blog, play-by-play of political debates in Colorado, and we're back at it again.
Tonight we'll be at the auditorium in the Denver Post building once more, this time for a debate between Gov. John Hickenlooper and Republican Gubernatorial nominee Bob Beauprez.
The festivities are scheduled to begin at around 5:45 pm. Live streaming of the debate should be available at denverpost.com/debates.
*NOTE: The most current update appears at the top of the page. As always, unless it is in direct quotes, consider all statements paraphrased in the interest of time.
Governor Hickenlooper was poised, funny, and his general affable self. Beauprez seemed much more relaxed than normal — but almost too relaxed. Beauprez needed to land some solid punches in this debate, and he just…didn't. There weren't a lot of memorable lines from tonight's debate, despite some pretty good questions, which makes this absolutely a missed opportunity for Beauprez. Hickenlooper wanted either a "win" or a "draw" tonight; you can argue whether he won, but he definitely ended up with at least a draw.
As for Beauprez? The only thing he was consistently on-message about was saying the phrase "kick the can down the street" whenever possible. He seemd tonight like a man who is unaware that tomorrow is the first day of October. Beauprez absolutely, positively needed to throw some punches that would at least leave a small mark on Hickenlooper. Instead, he just kicked the can down the road toward the next debate.
Closing Remarks for Beauprez: "Here’s something he didn’t say," Beauprez begins. There is every reason to have moral/ethical debate about death penalty. Hickenlooper can’t seem to make the tough call. "If he can’t lead, I will." This is a well-used line by Beauprez, but it's a pretty good one. Beauprez then goes on a longer rant about leadership that runs over the allotted time and takes some of the steam out of his locomotive.
Closing Remarks: Hickenlooper first.
“I’ll try to prepare for all of the attacks," he jokes. Says Colorado was 40th in job creation, now 4th. Forbes magazine ranked Colorado #1 workforce. Business Insider says #1 fastest growing economy. This has happened despite many natural disasters and the Aurora shooting. This state has shown a resiliency and capacity — we’re outperforming the average.
Very strong closing remarks from the Governor.
Beauprez finally asks about Nathan Dunlap. "If a jury were to convict James Holmes and sentence him to death, would you offer a reprieve?"
Great answer from Hick: "As you've been saying all night, this is a completely hypothetical question." Laughs from the crowd.
Hick gets serious and talks in detail about Holmes and how we learned later about his mental illnesses.
Beauprez asks about Obamacare. Hick says he would have done things differently if it were up to him, but then talks about how successful the healthcare exchange has been in Colorado.
Beauprez asked second question about supporting putting federal lands under private or local control.
"You're talking about a guy who's made a buck or two on land deals," says Beauprez in a stupid attempt to show expertise. Time runs out on Beauprez, but Hick says, "I'll give him 20 more seconds to complete his answer." Beauprez does, and does not do it well. As a general rule, Beauprez's oratorial skills decline the longer he talks.
Candidates get to ask questions of each other now.
Hickenlooper #1: Congressman, you have switched on Personhood, but still say all abortions should be illegal. Would you support using public money for contraception to continue reduction of teenage
Beauprez: I don't support the Personhood measure, but…then Beauprez says he does support the Personhood IDEA? What? "I do believe that life begins at conception," says Beauprez.
Beauprez talks about not opposing birth control, but then says that IUDs are "abortificiant" and not contraceptives. You're going to see this response again and again on TV — what a dumb response from Beauprez.
Hickenlooper: "I think you've answered the question."
Beauprez talking about question around cost of construction and improving roads.
Hickenlooper says something about cost of "trans bonds." Hickenlooper says it is about three times less than Beauprez claims. What the hell is a trans bond?
Beauprez says that Colorado has added more than 100,000 pages of new regulations a year. Not sure what the point is here, except to say that you couldn't put regulations in a single Tweet.
Great question from Joey Bunch: Mr. Hickenlooper, what is Mr. Beauprez's best idea?
Hick laughs and talks about making sure we keep regulations that work, but get rid of regulations that don't. Nice move to take top Beauprez issue off the table first.
Beauprez: "Brewing beer" is Hick's best idea. "I am a big fan."
Question about increasing gas tax. Beauprez says no, because revenue for gas tax has been declining anyway and we need to invest in sustainable funding source.
Hickenlooper: We will continue to see less and less funding from gas tax. Oregon has a couple of pilot programs that Colorado can try to improve upon. Says that mileage tax is unfair to rural communities.
Beauprez: Trucking industry thinks mileage tax is unfair. "Increasing the gas tax perpetuates a failed system…that's why I'm opposed to raising taxes in general."
Candidates get to expand on YES/NO questions. HIckenlooper says we must address Climate Change.
Beauprez: "Significantly" is the notable word in your question. "You're looking at someone who is a farmer and rancher…we are the original conservationists." Both Ways Bob then earns his nickname — again — by saying that we can deal with Climate Change. Huh?
Yes or No question time.
Personhood: No, No
Collective Bargaining for Teachers Being Transparent: Yes, Yes
Amend. 68: NO, NO
Climate Change — are humans causing?: Beauprez NO. Hickenlooper: "Significantly? Yes."
Can Climate Change be reversed? Beauprez: NO. Hickenlooper, Yes
Hickenlooper gets question about Nathan Dunlap. How did we make it nearly 45 minutes without this coming up?
Hick says he would not grant clemency if he loses election. "I don't think the state should be in the position of taking lives." This may be the best answer we've heard from Hickenlooper on his "decision" surrounding the death penalty and Nathan Dunlap.
Beauprez asked about whether he supports AG Suthers for defending gay marriage ban. Says, "I think John Suthers has absolutely done the right thing."
"Society very well may be changing, but you can't just write laws on your own." Walking a very thin line here.
Beauprez says he supported civil unions before most Republicans. Says if society changes, "I will support the laws that Coloradans choose."
Question for Hick on marijuana. Says he opposed Amend. 64, but now they need to regulate as best they can. Says there are always going to be a few bad players in every business that hurt it for everyone.
Beauprez gets question about Keystong Pipeline. He answers by talking about negative ad being run by Democratic Governor's Association that is "patently false." This is the essence of one of Beauprez's great political faults — he can't stop drawing attention to stories that are not good for him.
Question for Hick about negative ads. "We are depressing the product of Democracy," says Hickenlooper. "We will do positive ads, and if the Congressman wants to shake my hand to stay positive, I'll do it right here."
Hickenlooper steps forward, and Beauprez somewhat reluctantly shakes his hand.
Hickenlooper gets question about whether he regrets gun bills. Hick says no, focuses on background checks working. "As difficult as it has been politically, it keeps the state a safer place," says Hick.
Beauprez responds with long story about how Hickenlooper didn't listen to Sheriffs, or something.
Beauprez gets question on abortion, but decides instead to talk about job losses in Colorado. Hickenlooper is visibly irritated that moderators are not stopping Beauprez here.
"As to your question, I am not going to answer a hypothetical question. I am pro-life. I am unabashedly pro-life."
Question for Hick on economic recovery pace. Hick says it is ridiculous to say that Colorado is not growing at a strong rate compared to neighboring states.
Beauprez brings up some economists named Raffer and Moore (Laugher and Bore?). Beauprez talks about providing a bunch of information from economic studies — this is NOT how you connect with regular voters.
Hick addresses Beauprez charge of not doing enough for technical educations. Hickenlooper does great job with another anecdote of neighbor who owns an HVAC company — this is how you connect with regular voters.
Next question on higher education funding.
Hickenlooper: Increasing funding for higher ed is shown to be the most important thing we can do to promote growth. Uses anecdote about friend's child who graduated from college with $110k in student debt.
Beauprez: Traditional plan of bachelor's degree and then moving on to get graduate degree isn't the way to go anymore. Says need more career training options, hits Hickenlooper for something called C-Pass(?)
Next question on education funding: Beauprez goes back to charging Hickenlooper for not getting more money from federal government for education. Surely Beauprez is aware that the federal government provides a relatively small amount of funding for public schools?
Beauprez: Funding is part of the issue. So is testing. Three years after Hickenlooper signed the read act, our test scores got worse. So, apparently, Hickenlooper is not good at teaching children to read?
Question on illegal immigration and drivers licenses. Hick responds with a policy wonky answer. Beauprez says that he believes it is Governors who will come together to come up with a solution to this problem.
Rebuttal for Hick: Says Beauprez's four points on solving illegal immigration are almost exactly the same as what he (Hick) has said before.
Beauprez asked about drivers license program, says he would repeal it.
Question for Beauprez about definition of leadership. SOFTBALL!
"Does he realize he's no longer just Mayor of Denver," says Beauprez. He then uses "kick the can down the road" again for the second time in five minutes.
Hickenlooper response: "I think it was about 11 seconds before the Congressman began attacking me, and I'm not sure that's leadership." Says Beauprez was supportive of government shutdown last fall.
Hickenlooper asked to talk about Beauprez's leadership style; Hick says it is Beauprez's time to rebut. Okay.
Beauprez rebuts, or something, by talking about Keystone Pipeline. Which is nowhere near Colorado.
Hick on Beauprez leadership style: "Take a hard stand, and worry about the details later." Very strong response.
Next question about "abuse" of regulations on pot shops. Do we need to fix regulations?
Hickenlooper: Yes, I think we should. Relatively small number of doctors writing vast majority of prescriptions.
Beauprez says law should be enforced as it was intended to be enforced.
Beauprez blames Hickenlooper for "kicking the can down the road" on fracking — says he has kept the problem alive by negotiating to end competing ballot measures. This makes no sense whatsoever.
Both candidates are confused about when they are supposed to answer new questions and when they are offering rebuttals. Anyway, next question is about fracking and local government.
"This has become a stalking horse for a problem we never had," says Beauprez about fracking and local control.
Hickenlooper: This is about personal rights and private property rights and finding a balance.
Is Hickenlooper rebutting Beauprez's rebuttal? We're confused.
Now we're more confused — Beauprez agreed with Hick saying that Colorado schools are underfunded…then said that the first thing we should do is get more money from the federal government (?)
Beauprez rebuttal — again goes after state spending on employment. Says Colorado added a lot of jobs via state government. Not sure why he thinks that is going to upset people.
First question about TABOR: Should we continue to return money to taxpayers.
Beauprez says that under Hickenlooper's watch, "State employment has bloomed." Interesting thing to start with.
Hickenlooper disagrees with statistic that Beauprez throws out about percentage increases in state government.
Chuck Plunkett introduces the candidates. Beauprez is introduced as a "Buffalo Farmer," which sounds sorta cool.
The candidates enter the room to raucous applause. Gov. Hickenlooper is on the left of the stage, wearing a dark suit and blue shirt. Beauprez is on the right, decked out in a gray suit with a red tie.
BTW, Claudia Beauprez is in the front row, but about 10 feet from her husband.
Looks like we're going to have a full house tonight. We're told the auditorium holds around 220 people (if Amendment 47 passes, Personhood will change that total to about 314).
The moderators for tonight's debate will be Denver Post political editor Chuck Plunkett and Post reporter Joey Bunch, who has been covering both candidates during the campaign.
The big question before we begin: Will Beauprez's wife, Claudia, be allowed to stand just off stage near her husband? Rarely has Beauprez spoken at an event in the last 3-4 months without his wife within a half-step or two from the podium.
Lots of sign-waving and car horn honking outside the building. We're 20 minutes out, but the auditorium is already beginning to fill up.
Drinking game! One blast for every time BothWays says "Obama" or "Nathan Dunlap"! (Maybe he'll also find a way to work in Willie Horton or Eric Holder or Kayne for the "scary black man" trifecta!)
That's "Kanye," of course.
Who is moderating? You think BWB will get asked about any of his tin foil hat theories?
not likely. But, when the discussion turns to gun safety, death penalty or anything environmental BWB likely to lose his shit if he is given enough time to answer
Then, please god please, let someone ask BWB about this:
California Will Allow Family Members to Seek Seizure of Guns
Ok . Last read the 6:33 post and have one question. Does the fact that BWB likes to have his wife a step away when he has to appear at a podium have anything to do with the fact that he really doesn't seem quite all there?
Maybe she's doing a Nancy Reagan and whispering answers for him to the hard questions……
Memories of Reagan, BC?
You beat me to the punch, Frank.
Hick's answers sounding competent and sensible The anecdotes a warm human touch, which is his strong suit. BWB sounds kind of like a confused grumpy old man. Not the most exciting debate.
Hmmm. Gardner seems to be avoiding saying anything about birth control methods other than the pill. Good idea since once you say, as BWB just did, that IUD's are abortifacient and not really birth control devices, you can't very well say you do not support banning common, reliable forms of birth control. The IUD is one which has been very successful in lowering teen pregnancy, for instance, because you don't have to remember to take pills on a schedule or to make sure you keep up with your pill packet purchases.
Next time Gardner or Coffman debate their opponents, it will be perfectly fair game to ask them if they agree with BWB that IUDs are abortifacient and should therefore be banned
I find it laughable that Beauprez talks about a "percentage increase in state government" under Hickenlooper. Beauprez has no clue about the massive increase in number of state employees that would take place if his precious idea about federal lands being turned over to the state actually would happen. The bills in the Legislature have called for the federal "agricultural lands" (in quotes because they're never defined) to be run by the State Land Board. When I last checked a few months ago, the Land Board was managing 3 million acres of school trust lands with 43 employees, most of them stationed, by need, in central Denver.
Land Board has no identifiable scientists on staff; no wildlife biologists, no foresters, no hydrologists, no range cons, nothing. To manage another 21 million plus acres would take the hiring of another 800-1,000 employees; maybe more; to do it right. And creation of office space to house all those people; office supplies; vehicles; real estate agents for selling land; I could go on and on.
What happens to our outdoor recreation economy, since the State Land Board is mandated to charge fees for use of Trust lands (hint….those aren't public lands)? Most of the federal; Forest Service and BLM; land is accessible for free. What happens to hunting and fishing, major industries in rural Colorado? What happens to the ranching industry when grazing fees quadruple or quintuple overnight? The artificially low federal grazing fees are set by Congress; the Land Board charges market rates.
Yes, I'm a Republican. But I'm also a strong conservationist. At this point in time, I'll offer that anyone who supports Beauprez for governor is as clueless as Beauprez is; and seemingly not capable of asking really serious questions about Beauprez's positions.
Conservative Head Banger (and Beauprez needs a really good dose of AC/DC)
What makes you think he wants to do it right?
BWB sounds so vague on details about, I don't know, everything, I'm pretty sure he has no real plans for doing anything, stuff he wants to do or stuff he doesn't. But I'm sure he'll sound much better in the Plunkett edited story of the Plunkett moderated debate in the Post tomorrow.
It's hard to see how BWB's performance could be spun…but maybe I'm just too realistic.
Poor Head Banger. A TR Republican. The GOP left you behind over century ago.
"The GOP left you behind………" Not really. Visit http://www.conservamerica.org .
Except for the party's steadfast opposition to any degree of regulation based on environmental/health concerns, refusal to do anything but cover ears and sing la la la over climate change, pollution, refusal to support any steps in the direction of sustainable energy, tendency to vote for things like allowing more mercury in water, support for wresting control of federal lands with the goal of allowing selling off …. I could go on. But yeah, other than all that and with a few exceptions in states that are heavily dependent on tourism, yeah. they're super. Cheers or whatever.
You're kind of growing on me CB. My brothers are also old school Republicans.
Thanks for the analysis. I suppose Beauprez would reply that he would have to hire any more state employees because he would sell off all the land to the corporations to exploit.
should/be . . . he wouldn't have to hire
The abortion / birth control thing is going to be the death knell of both BP and Gardner, I think. Wonder what they will have to say about the recent recommendation from the American Academy of Pediatrics – that teens use IUDs instead of condoms because of the failure rate? Well…I guess we know the answer.
The majority of teenagers use condoms as their primary method of birth control, but long-acting contraceptives such as intrauterine devices should be the "first-line" of contraceptives in preventing teen pregnancy, according to new recommendations from the American Academy of Pediatrics.
It used to be a winning strategy for Republicans. Now it is an albatross. Who knew women would be so petulant about letting men decide when they should bear a child?
Women, that's who.
And they do tend to vote their conscience.
Republicans are in the same pickle with the immigration issue. It used to be that they could beat up on the brown folks and it would get them gobs of votes. Now they are in danger of losing the major elections when the old bitter white boys go to their just rewards ("Is it hot down there guys?") and a new multi-racial majority takes over. They traded long term success for short term power using divisive wedge issues.
So Bob somehow thinks that he can eek $3-5B for state transportation by a) refinancing existing bonds at lower rates, and b) issuing more bonds. Apparently Bob doesn't have a good grasp of the current rate that the state is paying on debt servicing, off by a factor of three, which eliminates any refinancing advantages. So, the other part of his plan would require additional revenue streams dedicated to debt servicing under TABOR, i.e. new taxes. But Bob won't raise taxes.
Is anyone going to call Bob on his complete fiscal ineptitude and lack of understanding when it comes to governing under the restrictions of TABOR?
Not Chuckie's paper. Not going to happen. They portrayed him as "strong" and "decisive". A leaders leader.
trans bond thing- good someone explained… I would like State Banking,cut out middleman
yesterday someone posted about AIG bailout trial that just started in NYC- Times article gives the 40 billion dollar back door bailout figure (to AIG) which went to folks like Goldman Sachs, ( the wolf at Colorado's door,) trans funding for ad infinitum.Too big to jail banks were supposed to express their thx by loaning $$ back to taxpayer at reasonable rates. It must have slipped their minds