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April 03, 2014 01:55 PM UTC
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Dear Keith Mason,
As a pro-life Republican who supported and signed the Personhood petition three times, I call on Personhood USA to shut your fool mouths! Mark Udall is a pro-abortionist Democrat through and through. Everyone knows that despite what Gardner may have said about Personhood, he is still pro-life. Gardner made a wise decision to take this gotcha attack away from opponents, and Personhood USA is playing right into Democrats' hands. WHY DO YOU THINK COLORADO POLS, THE STATE'S LEADING DEMOCRAT BLOG, WOULD PRINT YOUR WHOLE LETTER if it doesn't help Democrats?
I beg you, Personhood USA, please smarten up before it's too late. Get out of Cory's way so he can beat Udall. Don't help your enemies out of spite. This election is far too important to all of us.
Sincerely,
A conservative pro-life Republican and Personhood supporter
Translation:
Dear Keith Mason,
We're out here attempting to perpetrate a massive, transparently false con job on an unprecendented scale, lying shameless to low information voters and other assorted easy marks in an attempt to appear to be all things to all people, and your constant pissing and moaning from the peanut gallery is not helping us manage this cheap ruse one little bit.
Could you please STFU until the we've fleeced and conned as many simpletons and dunderheads as possible into thinking we're "moderates," as we've done in so many other parts of the country, so that we can then go back to genuflecting before you and carrying out your will in direct violation of the wishes of the majority of Colorado voters once the fools have bought our swill and put us in office?
Amorally,
An extremist right-wing, anti-choice hypocrite who believes lying is OK as long as it suits his narrow-minded purposes and achieves his duplicitous ends, and who doesn't give a flying f–k about anything Jesus ever taught.
Your translation is exact.
Not at all.
I believe this is the same problem Democrats have with advocates for "single payer" health care reform. You want restrctive government run health care, but you can't quite bring yourselves to embrace full socialized medicine. As a result, the single payer people are pariahs in the Democrat Party.
I am pro-life. So is Keith Mason. So is Cory Gardner. It's time to focus on what brings us together instead of playing the Democrat division game.
That is the whole purpose of my message for Keith Mason, and I hope he heard me.
Not at all.
Single payer is less than 10 years away. But……..it will require getting the House back, no doubt.
The loon position on women's health is going to be the loon position for the duration. It will never be mainstream, will never be less than extreme and slimy.
But that's another topic for another thread.
What we're talking about here is simple intellectual dishonesty on the part of the gardneerian strain of the republican disease. gardner is either lying now re: his stance on the kooky eggster grift, or he was lying when he just had to throw the rotten meat out to the weld county loons.
You have admitted you're fine with him lying as long as it gets him somewhere. It makes you a liar as well.
Mod – as illustrated by the picture quoting the nun on the meaning of "pro-life" Michael Bowman has posted elsewhere, you hardly have the right to call yourself "pro-life".
Pro-forced-birth, for sure. Nothing else as far as you have presented on this forum.
Lie, cheat, steal, make up stuff and define words to mean whatever you want. Just typical Repuglican crap.
Well put, sir.
Its time to just {wink, wink} let Cory say whatever he needs to, to fool the Colorado voters and polish the turd, as it were.
Alternate Translation:
Dear Keith Mason,
FOR GOD'S SAKE SHUT UP BEFORE REASONABLE PEOPLE FIGURE OUT HOW CRAZY WE ARE!! WE'LL NEVER WIN ANOTHER ELECTION IF OUR CANDIDATES HAVE TO ADMIT WHAT THEY REALLY BELIEVE!!!!
Hypocritically,
Guy who's willing to deny his own beliefs if he thinks it'll get a Republican elected.
P.S. This is important. Sacrifices have to be made.
We can always make more fetuses to "protect".
You have described today's "social conservative republican" to a tee.
Moderatus, I enjoyed this way too much. Please give us more posts like these. I'm trying to help in the Cory Gardner fake-to-the-center cause, too…I've enlisted the Queer Borg to help him evolve on gay marriage. Gay people are already secretly working on his campaign, so the infiltration was quite easy.
I just don't want to play Democrat division games with people who all agree with me. Sorry if that makes your smear campaign harder.
Purple Colorado is what you need to worry about, not the RWNJs that agree with you.
Gee, whiz, Moddy…what are you so scared of? How is simply stating what Garnder believes a smear campaign?
"We support a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the 14th Amendment protections apply to unborn children."
This is actually a huge, huge thing for some in the Personhood movement. Some prominent people, including Ken Buck, have said that they believe in a "right to life" provision (i.e. the 14th Amd.) that authorizes abortion to be prohibitted federally in the event Roe v. Wade is overturned.
And they will fail, spectacularly.
@EF
However, what I hear on talk radio and what was the position of chaput was that Roe should be overturned and the issue returned to the individual states and each state would decide what to decide about abortion.
So just don't call it personhood but wink at your base a lot.
I give Ken Buck a lot of credit for staying true to his beliefs on this. It hurts him as a politician but speaks well of him as a person.
It's a shame you "right to life" zealots aren't concerned about the future of children once they're born into this world.
The callous position the right takes on a person outside the womb really undermines your bullshit holier than thou anti choice "concern" for the unborn.
As well as the fact it's none of your business what a woman decides concerning her individual health.
You "individual rights" loons never remember that.
Here are some indisputable facts:
Read here: http://operationrescue.org/pdfs/Bopp%20Memo%20re%20State%20HLA.pdf
Here are the qualifications of the author: James Bopp, Jr. has served as the general counsel for National Right to Life since 1978 and as the special counsel for Focus on the Family since 2004.
Read here: http://www.thecatholicthing.org/content/view/2860/2/
Personhood USA has caused enormous damage to, and discord in, the pro-life movement to prevent abortion. They have convinced some good-hearted, well-intentioned pro-life peope that they have the silver bullet to overturn Roe v. Wade. They don't. Read the memo from James Bopp, Jr. linked above. If you are pro-life, it ought to scare you. The strategy being advanced by Personhood USA has the potential to end in a SCOTUS ruling that could forever cement, and worse yet, significantly expand, abortion rights and render the Roe v. Wade ruling irreversible. Congressman Gardner is to be commended for having the backbone to stand up and oppose a group that is preying on the hearts and the pocketbooks of good-hearted people who oppose the horror of abortion. Congressman Gardner is deserving of support from the pro-life community.
One more indisputable fact. Personhood gets defeated by huge margins even in red states like Mississippi because the overwhelming majority don't support it. Period. It doesn't lose 2 and 3 to one because anti-choicers are cleverly withholding support,
The overwhelming majority of Americans simply do not support a blanket ban on abortion with no exceptions. Nor do they support investigations of miscarriages as possible murders or the result of criminal negligence on the mother's part or the banning of all forms of birth control that could possibly interfere with the implantation of a fertilized egg or the end of fertility clinics, all of which would be the natural result of declaring a fertilized egg a person with full rights.
Also I've never met an anti-choicer who was any more or pro-life than average. It's not as if they're all death penalty opposing, anti-war, anti-torture, vegetarians or anything.
Bluecat, correct as usual. Truthlike: Nice attempt to insinuate that "Personhood" must not be really pro-life , but some vague, probably pro-choice (the horror!) conspiracy.
Colorado voters always reject Personhood because Colorado voters have sense. Gardner's sudden acquisition of this sense, and support for contraception, is suspect in its timing.
Who controls the propaganda which the "pro-birth" true believers receive? It will be entertaining to watch the messaging war play out, twisting into logic knots as Truthlike has tried to do above.
mamajama55:
First paragraph: How else to do you explain their modus operandi? The best and most reliable pro-life constitutional scholars in the country are issuing stern warnings to the pro-life community that it would be foolhardy to try a direct challenge of Roe v. Wade under the current court. So why is PUSA hellbent on doing it anway? And, why does PUSA never go on the attack against pro-choice candidates? It makes no sense.
Third paragraph: Who controls the propaganda? PUSA does in part, but thankfully, most of the pro-life community understands their agenda is inadvisable at this time. "It will be entertaining to watch the messaging war play out….." If by that you are referring to this blog and you were predicting a huge debate, there doesn't seem to be one, at least for now, in response to the last three comments. If you are surprised at that, I am as well. There is an old saying in talk radio. "The phone rings when people disagree with you. If they agree, the phones are silent."
We explain it via rational analysis, something with which the tinfoil hat crowd is completely unfamaliar.Please see my comment for the explanation you seek.
BlueCat: "Please see my comment for the explanation you seek." With all due respect sir or madam, I already know the explanation. The old saying commonly used by lawyers and politicians applies here: "Don't ask a question unless you already know the answer." The questions I was asking were posed in the hopes that mamajama would ponder and answer them.
Please see my comment for the explanation you seek. – See more at: http://coloradopols.com/diary/56385/personhood-usa-begs-gardner-come-back-before-its-too-late#comment-545449
Please see my comment for the explanation you seek. – See more at: http://coloradopols.com/diary/56385/personhood-usa-begs-gardner-come-back-before-its-too-late#comment-545449
Oh, I pondered it, all right. I'm trying to write a diary on today's immigration rallies, so a thoughtful reply to your bizarre supposition that pro-choice activists are somehow responsible for Gardner's "personhood" quandary will have to wait.
You are completely misunderstanding what I said. I am in no way suggesting that Gardner's change in his position on personhood has anything whatsoever to do with pro-choice activists. The congressman is perfectly capable of explaining the reasons for his decision. My comments are directed at the nationwide tactics of PUSA. Gardner is just one of many pro-life elected officials who have been targeted for defeat by PUSA. My question for you to ponder is, why don't they target pro-choice candidates if they truly are pro-life?
Probably the same reason ideological purists always target each other – it's easier to hit those standing nearby.
I say, turn the fans on high, and let the shit fly. Cory Gardner is essentially an oil and gas man , who has demonstrated little or no care for the well-being of his constituents, including actual, breathing kids.
Por ejemplo, Gardner's voting record shows:
You can probably tell I don't respect Cory Gardner at all, and could really care less if Personhood is out to get him. More power to them, say I.
There is a simpler explanation that has nothing to do with politics or policy:
It drains money and effort from the pro-choice movement. Rather than building free STD clinics or hiring sex-ed counsellors, Planned Parenthood, et al are raising money ad nauseum to fight this crap, rseulting in empty pockets and donor fatigue.