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October 26, 2005 08:00 AM UTC

Referenda C&D: Pass or Fail?

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  • by: Colorado Pols

Will Referenda C&D pass or fail? Everybody has an opinion, but nobody seems to really have a good feel for it. Since our loyal readers are all relatively intelligent people who follow politics, we thought we’d start tracking the opinions on it here.

So, please vote on what you think is going to happen, not on what you want to happen or on how you voted yourself. To put it another way, if you had to bet the keys to your car on the outcome, which way would you vote?

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40 thoughts on “Referenda C&D: Pass or Fail?

  1. Obviously, the base is too small to be statistically valid.  Still, it’s interesting that 83 percent think the C/D twins WILL pass but only about 71 percent voted for them, according to your other tally of how bloggers did vote.  That’s consistent with polls since last summer showing that most people thought it would pass, even if they opposed the package.
    Let us hope this is one time that the wish is indeed the father of the thought.

  2. It’s too close to call.  Establishment types want C&D to pass, but there is great sentiment against them passing among many working people.  The key will be turnout, affected by the mail-in ballot in most counties.

  3. I for one am very concerned, but I think it will squeak by. Living in Denver my feel for how it is going is based on a “Metro-area vibe” only and here I feeling it is very, very, VERY close. I feel like the deciding factor will be out side of the metro-area, and I do not have any kind of feel for how it is going there.

    I have fallen into the habit of predicting election outcomes over the years and I need to redeem myself for 2004 (the Dems surprised me in the State House races, I got rest of the ballot pretty close). Here’s my predictions for Tuesday:

    Ref. C:
    50.1% yes, 49.9% no

    on D:
    52-48 yes

    in Denver:
    1A (hotel tax):
    yes by more than 60%

    1B (de-Brucing):
    55-45 yes

    1C (Housekeeping issues)
    yes by more than 60%

    100 (pot initiative):
    56-44 no

    3A (procomp for teachers):
    54-46 yes

  4. Dan, I actually predicted the Ds would take both houses of the legislature.  The only one I miscalled was Gwen Green’s upset of Ramey Johnson, a count that took several days to call.  I agree with your calls except on pot.  I voted for it even though I know it’s a fraud.  I have to send the power mad drug warriors a message somehow, and it’s the only vehicle available.  I think of lot of people who, like me, oppose marijuana will also vote yes to send a message to the Reefer Madness crowd.

  5. C is going down.

    Because indeed, if we continue to act like socialist Cuba, CUBA, by continuously passing tax hikes and government regs, we will all be poor and homeless.

    But to you big-gov’t types, it’s never enough. Average people in NJ are paying $10,000 plus in property taxes, and THAT’s not enough for greedy politicians.

    I refuse to think people are stupid enough to vote to tax themselves more. If it does pass, it will have been those who think it’s OK to extort others’ money.

  6. C is going down.

    Because indeed, if we continue to act like socialist Cuba, CUBA, by continuously passing tax hikes and government regs, we will all be poor and homeless.

    But to you big-gov’t types, it’s never enough. Average people in NJ are paying $10,000 plus in property taxes, and THAT’s not enough for greedy politicians.

    I refuse to think people are stupid enough to vote to tax themselves more. If it does pass, it will have been those who think it’s OK to extort others’ money.

  7. Archbishop Charles J. Chaput, made sure to inform all of us to vote YES on C & D.  He told us about the importance of assisting the ones in need.  We should be compassionate.

  8. You know what works well?  Having the private sector take care of social problems! Why is the government of all the sudden required to take care of all of these social problems, the government was never meant to take on all of these responsibilities.  People need to take care of themself, if people can’t take care themselves then others who can take care of them need to step up to their responsibility.  I care about people, truly it bothers me to see victims of social injustice, but to have the government become a daycare is not only negative for me but it is also negative for the recipients of the babying because it limits their freedom.

  9. I think that C and D are going to lose 48-52 or so.

    The reason why I think this is that for C and D to pass they need to build up huge majorities in Denver and Boulder. Since Denver is voting with the traditional precinct method (which should have a turnout around 40%) that will cost C and D tens of thousands of yes votes. Meanwhile the no on C and D side will run up big majorities in Arapahoe and Douglas Counties (which will off-set Denver) while El Paso County off sets Boulder. That leaves the fate of C and D in the hands of the rest of the state. Nuff said.

  10. I agree, its time that we stopped funding the government to do stupid things like put those that break the law behind bars.  Let all the criminals out of jail and let the all knowing private sector take care of them. 

    No more government waste on prisons, no on C and D.

    I’ll definitely be bumping up to something bigger than 9mm if C and D doesn’t pass.

  11. Dan, I like your preditions.  However, if C apsses by just a little (0.2%)  then I question you predition on D.  I think if C passes as you predict, then D will fail.  I think for C to pass then C needs to pass 53/47

  12. Over 1800 employees @ CU make more money than the Governor. One professor @ over $750,000.

    They’re building new student housing all over the place while squeezing the supply of tenants out of the private sector.
    Yeah, looks bleak for higher ed.

  13. I just got acquainted with a different reason that some people will vote no.

    My sister-in-law’s father, as staunch a traditional Republican as I have ever met, voted no because he hates TABOR.

    He wants TABOR to go away entirely. He thinks the Governor agreed to the TABOR compromise in order to insulate all the “joe citizens” from the upcoming budget cuts, thus preserving TABOR.

    This staunch Republican says he wants “joe citizen” to get hit with, and suffer the budget cuts so that in the future everyone will vote in a way to eliminate TABOR.

    Firstly, I am amazed that this incredibly conservative man hates TABOR.  But, I think his reasoning is wrong, and I don’t believe his “no” vote is going to accomplish his stated goal, ie the eventual demise of TABOR.

  14. I’m a conservative who doesn’t like TABOR, and for the same reasons that I don’t like term limits or campaign finance reform.  I don’t like the idea of “automated government”, where my choices are limited by the latest fad in government reform. 

    With that said, here are my predictions:
    C: Pass 52%
    D: Fail 49%
    (for the record, I’m a yes vote on both)

    The Hunter S. Thompson memorial initiative (100): Fail 34%

  15. “Really?”,

    You know what works well? Having the private sector take care of social problems!

    That’s worked splendidly in New Orleans.

    It’s good that Bush balked on repealing the minimum wage in Louisiana.  Cold comfort, though.  Now Halliburton is forced to fill its no-bid reconstruction contracts with a larger number of undocumented workers in order to pay them pennies.  And when their shifts are over for the day?  Halliburton executives have instructed them to visit Red Cross stations for meals.

    Did you give money to the Red Croos?  Some of it is feeding undocumented workers who are taking money away from now-homeless Americans in Louisiana and Mississippi.

    That’s what BushCo capitalism gets you: no competition, no oversight, no justice, just a wink and a nod and a sealed envelope between friends, and to hell with the American people so long as his friends are kept wealthy.

  16. I’m siding with Mike Rosen on this one. Vote no. And if you think it should be the other way then let’s add a change to all of our income tax returns. Both state and federal. Let’s put a box that you bleading hearts can check to tell the government to keep any refunds that you have coming. Make it so people can volunteer to donate to the black holes. Then set back and watch. I bet not a one will pitch in.

  17. 1.5 million was donated. But the average donation per person is $8.00. Not much.
    My point is to keep the state’s hands off of my money. If someone wants to donate, go ahead. I firmly believe old Gov have way more than enough money as is.
    A 5 year time out……….I wonder what the state would say if I asked for a 5 year time out from paying my taxes? Off to jail you go….

  18. Keith, you’re too smart to fall for that blatant lie by Bruce/Caldara.  The CU prof who earned $750,000 got just $1,758 of it from the taxpayers!
    He’s an adjunct prof at the CU med center, teaches for that tiny token.  He’s also one of the world’s premier pediatric surgeons!  His income comes from his fees and federal grants.  Unfortunately, Caldara knew that was a lie and used it anyway.  Be honest, do you think it is fair to attack one of this nation’s preeminent private practice surgeons because he donates time to the CU med center as a labor of love?

  19. Gecko,

    What services do you believe that government should provide?  And, if any, how do you think government should pay for those services?  “Keep the state’s hands off my money” is a rather poor argument, IMHO, unless you really believe that there is no legitimate purpose for the government.

  20. I didn’t get that from Jon or Doug. I got it from the student paper. They write that CU pays him that.

    CU can cut that salary down to the size of a bathtub and use the savings to cut tuition. Cut everybody’s salary down to what the Governor gets paid and use the savings to cut tuition.

    There is plenty of places to cut. CU could quit building resdence halls. There is no need for them.

    No need for C, they clearly have plenty of money.

  21. Gorky,

    I have no problem paying my fair share. I always have and always will. I think the government is needed but should be limited. I do not think it should be as many left wingers are pushing, to be like the Soviet Union was. Where the government is in charge of everything. The notion of taking from those that have and giving to those that don’t doesn’t fly by me. I never had any money to go to college but due to years of hard work, I am doing fine. But knowing the value of a dollar, I would like to keep as much as I can. El Paso County just raised their tax base by a full percent beginning this year. That along with the price of fuel, natural gas, electricity, etc, who wouldn’t want a little back at the end of the year? The measley little bit we are due is not going to make or break anyone. It is the principle. Enough is enough. We are taxing ourselves to death.
    Will we ever hear our public officials say “everything is fine folks. we have plenty of money in the coffers and life is grand”…….

  22. “The notion that taking from thosa that have and giving to that that don’t doesn’t fly with me”. You need to do some research. The poor are getting poorer, and the rich richer. Not the other way around. And that goes for the rest of the uninformed who decry the advent of creeping socialism in the U.S. The facts just don’t support those notions. I’ll find the facts for you if you’re unable to do the research yourself.

  23. Sir Robin,
    Then those that don’t have anything need to get off their collective asses and get a job. If they want the government to give them everything they can move to China since that is about the last of the socialist countries that is still around.
    And tell me it isn’t that easy. BS. Anyone that wants to make it can. I’m no Einstein and I made it with nothing more than determination.
    I’m far from rich but I don’t think the rich should give up what they have earned to support lazy people…….

  24. I honestly thought you were better than that, Keith.  I guess you’re just as blatant a liar as Caldara, you just haven’t been as obvious about it.  Too bad.  I really did think you had some integrity.

  25. woe. I did read it in todays Colorado Daily. I’ll save you a copy if you think I’m lying. I’ll fax you the piece if you want. Don’t go liberal on me and start calling me names voyageur.

    Maybe they were short in explaining the money, but I’m not lying to you.

  26. Woops. I have made a bad. I just went out to get another copy of the Colorado Daily and the story wasn’t there. So I set about looking for the story I had read, and it was in yesterday’s Daily Camera. The story attributes the numbers to Doug.

    My apologies.

  27. Good to know you were only misled, not trying to mislead, Keith.  The thing about the $750K earned by the “professor” is that this is one of the nation’s top pediatric surgeons and that’s what he earns in PRIVATE practice and I believe some federal grants as well, mostly private practice.  Sometimes these fees are channeled through the faculty practice fund, but they are not taxpayer dollars.  He gets just $1,758 from the taxpayers, which I assume is as an adjunct prof.  I used to teach adjunct at CU for about $1,000 a class myself.  It’s a labor of love.  But to suggest you should confiscate a physicians private income, as Bruce did, is outrageous.  Of course, in his case, it was a deliberate lie.  By the Way, the Colorado Daily hasn’t been a student newspaper since the 1970s.  It is privately owned, though it serves the student market. Anyway, your honesty has renewed my respect for you, blogbuddy.

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