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February 17, 2008 01:12 AM UTC

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  • by: DavidThi808

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Here’s the polls for the final 4 – Wisconsin, Ohio, Texas, & Pennsylvania. Now Hillary has tended to hold her lead in the very large states. But Obama also has tended to close the sale in the last 2 – 3 weeks and this time these 4 have his full attention.

Obama has closed it in Wisconsin. And appears to be getting it done in Texas. But no movement in Ohio or Penn yet.

Should be interesting…

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  1. Texas is going to sink Hillary. I think its going to basically be a tie–unless Obama accelerates.

    Her Proxies in Ohio and PA are great.  There are real machines in those 2 states and she has them on her side.  I doubt that Obama can close the gap against strickland and rendell.  Obama might be able to close the gap, but he will lose those 2 states.  However she is still done unless she does extremely well (how well depends on texas)

  2. While the campaign will attack the media, name call those who don’t support their candidate as insignificant cultist, or even just a fairy tale (who’s dellusional now?), it seems Bill Clinton is having quite the opposite effect on the race than had been expected by the campaign.

    Clinton backers fault campaign

    Another supporter said voters had begun to get comfortable with the idea of her as president but “the more [Bill] came into the picture, the more it detracted from that. It also brought up this image in people’s minds of a co-presidency, which voters weren’t comfortable with.”

    A Clinton superdelegate who served in Bill Clinton’s administration said the former president “has screwed this thing up for her big-time. They need to send him out of the country for a long, long time. I am angry at Bill Clinton and I think there are other Hillary people who are angry at Bill, who felt that she was running a very good, solid campaign – she wasn’t the exciting one, but she was the solid one – and then he came in and made it nasty, and single-handedly pushed away black voters.”

    Instead of taking any responsibility what-so-ever for their mistakes, faults, and insulting attacking, the Clinton’s are trying to pretend everything away.

    But what I find even more comical is Hillary’s latest attack proclaiming “Talk is cheap!” It’s funny coming from a candidate who paid for speech lessons and “found her voice” in New Hampshire. It’s even more comical is you consider Bill Clinton has accumalted $40 Million he made in speaking fees since he left the White House.

    Sure Hillary, talk is cheap, so please stop using cheap talking points.

    1. Maybe Chelsea Clinton should stay home as well.

      The question was one she had heard before, but this time it was asked in downright hostile terms.

      “Has your mother shown any remorse for the fact that her vote cost Iraqis a million of their lives?” a student asked Chelsea Clinton on Monday at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

      Ms. Clinton replied: “She cast a vote based on the best available evidence. Perhaps you had clairvoyance then, and that’s extraordinary.”

      That’s right, show no remorse or regrett but blame those who were and are right about the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

      Seriously, where is the “leave Hillary alone” video?

        1. to the comment from Chelsea posted by Go Blue.  

          I am Fidel and I approve this message.  For more, check out MY NATONALLY SYNDICATED COLUMN.  Out.

          1. I have never seen a campaign shoot itself in the same foot so many times (even Beauprez learned from his mistakes). This is getting real old.

            A co-chairman of Hillary’s Michigan campaign and  has a line that’s sure to drive a whole bunch of red state governor’s up the wall:

            “Superdelegates are not second-class delegates,” says Joel Ferguson, who will be a superdelegate if Michigan is seated. “The real second-class delegates are the delegates that are picked in red-state caucuses that are never going to vote Democratic.”

            I was literally in the middle of writing a truce diary (I am rather tired of pointing out the Clinton arrogance and hypocrisy) and then this jumps up and bites me.

            For all the gains we have made in Colorado, electing Democrats to a majority in every catergory, we are still nothing but insignificant “second-class” red-staters in the eyes of the Clinton campaign.

            I’m sorry, but Dianna DeGette, Maria Handly, Ramona Martinez, and Manny Rodrigues are NOT more important than a single voter in Colorado, even though they may think so.

            1. It is premature to press the superdelegates to switch sides.

              Let’s say HRC wins big in Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania — which could happen in this volatile election year — and she ends up with more “regular” delegates than Obama at the end of the primary/caucus season, but not a majority.  Under that scenario, should the superdelegates go against the wishes of the Democratic voters and put Obama over the top?  I think not.

              Plus, what if DeGette, Handly, et al. switch their support now and HRC later becomes the nominee?  Their credibility would be shot.

              The hyperventilation about superdelegates needs to be toned down.  Let’s wait for the rank-and-file Democrats to vote and to caucus.  Only then, when the smoke clears and the primary/caucus season is over, will the positions of the superdelegates become relevant.

                 

              1. I’m just tired of this elitist dribble from the Clinton campaign, where I live in red-state therefore I don’t matter (which seems to be the same thinking from DeGette, et al.) who say they are willing to ignore the voters of Colorado.

                1. DeGette and the other Colorado superdelegates have never claimed they are disregarding the voters of Colorado.

                  They would be foolish to withdraw their support for Clinton and to endorse Obama at this stage of the process, for the reasons set forth in the above post.

                  Incidentally, I don’t see the Obama campaign whining about Ted Kennedy and Deval Patrick “ignorning the voters” by not switching from Obama to Clinton, given that Massachusetts went for Clinton.

                  The overheated rhetoric and name-calling doesn’t help anyone — except the McCain supporters.

  3. Also, since there is a proportional representation system for the Democrats, who wins the state matters less than the margin of victory.  A narrow win means an even delegate split.

    FWIW, Obama is also expected to win Hawaii, where he lived for much of his life.  Wins in Wisconsin and Hawaii could add to a streak effect in subsequent states, particularly Texas where it could add to existing trendlines.

    National poll numbers showing Obama better vis McCain than Clinton could also impact remaining states — not necessarily flipping them but tweaking the margins of victory.

    1. From CNN, Texas poll shows dead heat among Dems

      A new CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll suggests the battle for the Democratic presidential nomination between Sens. Hillary Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois is a statistical dead heat in Texas, which holds primaries March 4.

      In the survey, out Monday, 50 percent of likely Democratic primary voters support Clinton as their choice for the party’s nominee, with 48 percent backing Obama.

      But taking into account the poll’s sampling error of plus or minus 4ВЅ percentage points for Democratic respondents, the race is a virtual tie.

      Unfortunately I did not see the actual polls results/cross-tabs on the CNN website. If I find them, I’ll post a link. And the best news is…

      Two recent polls by other organizations also show the race statistically even.

      “One reason the race appears to be tight is that Texas Democrats are having a hard time choosing between two attractive options,” says CNN polling director Keating Holland.

      “Likely Democratic primary voters would be equally happy if either candidate won the nomination, and they don’t see a lot of difference between them on several top issues.

      “Roughly a quarter of likely voters say they could change their minds in the next two weeks — and not surprisingly, those people are splitting roughly equally between Clinton and Obama.”

    2. Texas has 2 strange twists.

      1. it has a mixed primary/caucus system–and we know how caucuses have been breaking for Obama

      2. allocation on delegates is by state senate district and allocated based on turnout in the last election.  In 2006 African American turnout was high, giving predominately black districts proportionally more delegates and Hispanic turnout was low in 2006 giving them proportionally less delegates.  This allocation math nullifies the demographic advantage Hillary has had with latinos.

  4. From Public Policy Polling:

    Overall:

    Obama 53%

    Clinton 40%

    By Gender

    Women-Men

    Obama 50%-57%

    Clinton 43%-36%

    By Party

    Democrat-Republican-Other

    Obama 49%-66%-60%

    Clinton 45%-29%-27%

    By Age:

    (18-29) – (30-45) – (45-65) – (65+)

    Obama 64%-65%-51%-54%

    Clinton 32%-27%-41%-39%

  5. Then there are these sets of figures from Pennsylvania:

    McCain 44%, Clinton 42%

    Obama 49%, McCain 39%

    (Rasmusson)

    How, then, to explain polls showing Clinton ahead of Obama in Pennsylvania? Democratic death wish? Wouldn’t be the first time!

      1. Do you nomminate the person best for the party, or the best to get your party in power?  If it’s the latter, Obama all the way.  Whatever you think of Clinton, her… charm? doesn’t cross any party line.

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