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February 09, 2008 04:11 PM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“It would be hard to blame you for having trouble taking much of what is said in Washington seriously.”

–John Kerry

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41 thoughts on “Weekend Open Thread

  1. Today’s RMN story was a good piece. I think the days of the Caucus assemblies are numbered. Why any candidate would put up with the insider stuff is beyond me.

    I thought it was refreshing that Harvey was honest in the story when he said he really needed his opponents to go through the 6th CD assmebly to have a shot.

    I don’t see Polis sticking in without petitioning on, my friends in the 2nd CD said he got smoked caucus night.

  2. You can read “The Chicken Doves” for Sirota’s quote, if you like. But I’d refer readers to its central arguments, instead:

    Quietly, while Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have been inspiring Democrats everywhere with their rolling bitchfest, congressional superduo Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have completed one of the most awesome political collapses since Neville Chamberlain. At long last, the Democratic leaders of Congress have publicly surrendered on the Iraq War, just one year after being swept into power with a firm mandate to end it.

    Solidifying his reputation as one of the biggest pussies in U.S. political history, Reid explained his decision to refocus his party’s energies on topics other than ending the war by saying he just couldn’t fit Iraq into his busy schedule. “We have the presidential election,” Reid said recently. “Our time is really squeezed.”

    The story of how the Democrats finally betrayed the voters who handed them both houses of Congress a year ago is a depressing preview of what’s to come if they win the White House. And if we don’t pay attention to this sorry tale now, while there’s still time to change our minds about whom to nominate, we might be stuck with this same bunch of spineless creeps for four more years. With no one but ourselves to blame.

    Rather than use the vast power they had to end the war, Democrats devoted their energy to making sure that “anti-war activism” became synonymous with “electing Democrats.” Capitalizing on America’s desire to end the war, they hijacked the anti-war movement itself, filling the ranks of peace groups with loyal party hacks. Anti-war organizations essentially became a political tool for the Democrats – one operated from inside the Beltway and devoted primarily to targeting Republicans.

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      1. .

        I thought Rush was saying that Reid and Pelosi and Feinstein and Schumer and Salazar et al wanted to surrender to Muslim extremists.  

        My bad.

        There is more money (and votes) in surrendering to the fascists destroying our Constitution.

        .  

  3. Navy pilot John Sidney McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

    John Kerry managed to bring his boat home every time.

    1. Admiral King (CNO in WWII) said he was one of the ones they kept on the back shelf and put in charge only during time of war.

      The military needs all kinds and the ones like McCain are horrible in peacetime but very valuable in wartime.

      Vietname was very different from WWII but they did need leaders like him in wartime.

      1. and Lincoln had tried a succession of generals, he thought about U.S. Grant.  He had been doing quite well.  Lincoln was told that Grant should not be elevated, he drank too much.  Lincoln is said to have said, “Find out his brand of whiskey and send a barrel to each of my other generals.”

        Interesting point, David.  

      2. .

        what kind of war leadership do you think McCain provided ?  

        His Vietnam War record consisted of:

        a couple of weeks riding on a carrier off the coast before being allowed to fly,

        then a week as a bomber pilot,

        then getting shot with a missile by another US Navy pilot while sitting in his jet on the deck of his carrier,

        while he was waiting to take off,

        and escaping just before the bombs on his plane blew up,

        killing over 100 US sailors and putting his carrier out of commission,

        then transferring to another carrier,

        flying a couple more weeks of bombing missions,

        then getting shot down before completing a full month of combat duty,

        and then being a prisoner and getting tortured for over 5 years.  

        …………….

        I admit he’s a better man than me.  

        Because of who his Daddy was,

        the North Vietnamese offered to release him early,

        and he refused to accept this benefit based on his parentage.

        I believe that,

        in the same situation,

        I may have taken the easy way out.  

        …………

        But physical courage is not the same as military leadership.  

        The rest of his career was based on respect for his suffering as a POW,

        or on his Daddy’s position.  

        Either one marked him as a golden boy,

        just like being the star of the Academy football team.  

        Guaranteed to make 1-Star general/ Admiral,

        if they are willing to stick it out.  

        He did not stick it out.  

        To my knowledge, folks who served under him did not say he was an exceptional leader.  

        …………..

        1. That does not have much to do with his ability to lead as President.  

          The fact that, for five very long years,

          he decided every single day to stay in solidarity with his fellow POW’s,

          rather than get repatriated,

          says a lot about his character.  

          Hot temper or not,

          he has the character to be President.  

          ….

          Americans don’t especially like leaders who display character or integrity.  

          Certainly not as President.  

          Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II,

          which of them had even one steadfast principle,

          except to take care of #1 ?  

          McCain has really bad judgment.  

          He supports the imperial colonial occupation of Iraq.

          What could be more contrary to what America stands for ?

          Besides slavery or genocide,

          it’s hard for me to come up with anything.  

          But voting for a candidate always requires compromise.  

          .

          1. Neither Obama nor Clinton has stated publicly a reasonable basis for pulling out of Iraq,

            while protecting US national security interests.  

            Of course, the Iraq War is severely damaging our national defense and security,

            but neither of these two can explain why that is so.  

            They only know that voters want us out,

            so they are for pulling out.  

            For both,

            their position on the War is a pander to war opponents,

            not a principled stand.  

            Neither one even knows the principles involved.

            While the best course for this country is to pull out immediately,

            the reasons have nothing to do with removing our soldiers from exposure to risk.  

            It’s the hazard to our national purpose,

            not the hazard to individual citizens and service members,

            that demands withdrawal.

            And reparations.

            And trials for war criminals.  

            While pulling out of Iraq is the correct end result,

            if they don’t understand why that is so,

            how can a reasonable voter trust either of them to follow through ?  

            If they both have bought into the fiction that there are fanatics in Iraq that pose a threat to the US homeland,

            then we will still be trying to fine tune the brutal occupation when they leave office in 4 or 8 years.

            .

      1. .

        My Dad was not old enough to enter Naval flight school until it was too late for him to fly and fight in the war.  

        Bush the elder got admitted to flight training when he was too young, according to the established rules.

        But you know how rules can be bent for the sons of politicians.  

        So, he became the youngest ever Naval Aviator.  

        He may still hold that record.  

        And he quickly proved why the age standard was important.

        Just like McCain got “shot down” after only 5 or so missions,

        so did GHW Bush.  

        There’s famous newsreel footage of Bush ditching his plane within a hundred yards of his carrier.  

        What’s not so well-known was that his aircraft was not damaged so bad that he couldn’t land.  

        In fact,

        among Naval Aviators of the time,

        word was that his aircraft had not even been hit.  

        He was just a poor pilot,

        and afraid of landing on a moving carrier.  

        And, when he ditched,

        he killed his crew.  

        He never flew another combat mission,

        because nobody would go up with him after that.  

  4. It was done against MacArthur when it was feared he might run for President. Then MacArthur did it to JFK. But, the most vicious and inaccurate, in my opinion, was done against McGovern.

    1. …the first person he asked to see was McGovern. McGovern flew bombers in WWII and had to emergency land on a Yugoslav held island Tito was on. They did not meet then but Tito did remember and wanted to thank McGovern for fighting for them and us.

      And they then turned him into a “no military knowledge” candidate. Amazing…

      1. Though he was not the youngest, he was one of the most highly decorated bomber pilots. What a man he is and was.

        Built the Dem party in South Dakota.

        About the only thing that Nixon, Congress and the Supreme Court did NOT do that was in the platform in ’72 was a guaranteed annual incom.

    2. He flew 35 missions, which by policy allowed him to not fly any more.  He chose to keep flying because it was his crew.  I think there were only a few more and then the war ended. Also, when crews got up to say, 30 missions, they usually had options for “milk runs.”  Easy stuff.  McGovern said “No.”

      And the Republicans questioned his bravery?  Against Nixon who while he did serve, I don’t think saw combat?

      Precursor of 2004.

      1. wanted out of VietNam he just had to be a coward. That was the message.

        Nixon served on Guam I think after we had secured it and had offices there.

        Interestingly, LBJ, already in the Senate, wangled a commission from Air Force or Army Air Corps, flew one or two surveillance missions and got some medal. And, of course, Ronnie helped make propaganda films which, when the Alzheimer’s kicked in, BEFORE he ran for term 2, he believed were his real life.

        1. LBJ went on one combat run. It was early on in the war and the runs were dangerous. One of the planes on the run was shot down by the Japanese with all killed. So he was in combat.

          But that one run was it…

          Nixon served in the Pacific but was a REMF.

          Ford served, on a destroyer I think and was both in combat and on a ship in Halsey’s fleet that steamed through one of the worst tsunamis ever in the pacific and almost died in that.

          Lincoln by the way is the one president to come under enemy fire while in office.

  5. If a candidate wishes to petition for a commissioner seat, in a county where the election is at large though the seat is by district: when would a signer of petition have to be registered to that party?

    CRS 1-4-801 speaks to the number of signatures, I am unable to locate the statute referring to registration dates, etc.

  6. The Democratic vacancy committee in House District 42 today selected Karen Middleton to fill the vacancy created by the resignation of Michael Garcia. She will be sworn in on Wednesday.

    Middleton has served as a member of the Colorado State Board of Education since 2004, representing the 7th Congressional District. Middleton will resign her SBOE seat effective immediately, and that position will be filled by another vacancy committee on Saturday, Feb. 16.

    House District 42 is located in west-central Aurora in Arapahoe County.

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