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Jones is just an idiot. Like Rush and Gunny Bob before him.
Try not to listen. It’ll make you dumber.
Good post, Mr. Smith. And nice little 1984 reference.
First off, I’m no relation to Jones.
The “Minority Accomplishes Something for the First Time!” stories are incredibly boring to most people, by which I mean me.
The kind of silly “more enlightened than thou!” posturing on display here is just filler.
Dog bites man? I really don’t think news media are trying to demonstrate how enlightened they are by publishing “First X to do Y” stories.
Barack Obama, first black man to WIN predominantly rural/white Iowa???
you are right. National Review didn’t cover it.
Huckabee Huckabee Huckabee Huckabee Huckabee
and disregards the rest, la la la la la”
h/t Paul Simon
They all named who the winners were.
Where were the “this is an historic moment” pronouncements. You know if Hillary wins the Presidency we will get a royal coronation of the first Women President.
The idea of a Black man winning Iowa or South Carolina would have been laughable in 1968. Martin Luther King could not have carried those states.
So where was the commentary and recognition of how far this nation has come?
We certainly hear enough about the opposite.
Only someone who spends a lot of time thinking about race would accuse someone else of being a racist…
Wait. He can’t be a racist, he’s a Democrat like Robert KKK Byrd. Democrat’s can’t be racist. They hold the moral high ground on everything. Never mind Civil Rights has been a Republican issue since the Civil War.
….it’s not cuz he’s a Dem, it’s cuz he’s black.
There are Democratic racists, but I would wager far fewer than in the Republican camp.
From the blacks who would get in my face asking why I was living in a black neighborhood (once was Jewish) to a local black effort to get more blacks on juries cuz apparently I can’t be trusted to be colorblind.
All racist.
Your resentfulness towards Black people doesn’t bolster your argument very well. It sounds to me like they are smart to not trust you to be colorblind on a jury. You seem to have quite the grudge.
In my lifetime, my best friend and housemate of many years is black. As a kid, I was beat up once because I wouldn’t take a side against a black kid. I have had a black lover. I have told my kids, “Bury me black”, in reference to their soulful funeral services. When I needed a place to live, a black neighborhood was fine with me.
Just because I mentally don’t – pardon the phrase – whitwash objective observations doesn’t mean that I am prejudiced. Just because I can see racism where you refuse to doesn’t mean I am prejudiced. What, the examples I gave were Kumbiya in action?
Hell, I have a list for white Anglos, too. I am an equal opportunity observer.
but I have to back Paul up here.
He can be an expressive, acid tongued partisan. But he is not a racist.
That’s the trouble. We throw that term around way too freely to blunt an argument we find offensive.
If you would have said Paul is Offensive. I would have to agree, sometimes he can be.
But so can we all. Sometimes intentionally, many times not.
He just calls it like he sees it.
I like that about him. Doesn’t mean I have to agree with it.
Yeah, we annoy each other but just like with Laughing Boy and Haners, you have your good and gracious moements.
I said you had a grudge. You certainly can be an equal opportunity grudge holder. My point was that your resentfulness doesn’t help your argument. I believe that is what I said.
How do you figure that? That line, like your post doesn’t add up much at all
If we were truly color-blind, the make-up of our legislature would (by random chance) reflect the make-up of society at large. It doesn’t. You do the math.
Who votes?
Who runs?
Most of the electorate doesn’t give a damn any more about race.
Then by simple math it should be representative of the public at large. It isn’t.
If black or other minorities don’t present candidates, they won’t get elected.
If blacks or other minorities don’t vote, they can’t vote their identity politics.
The biggest voting bloc demographic is older and white. They will tend – although certainly not absolutely – vote older and white. They might not have anything against a minority candidate at all, not even hidden. But they can still feel more comfortable with a candidate that literally looks more like themselves. That’s human nature. It’s the same reason minorities who vote tend to vote for candidates who look like themselves. Same coin, other side.
So, according to you, it is Black people’s fault that they don’t have proportional representation in legislative bodies. Right? Am I getting your argument now? If so, it is less than compelling proof that no racism exists in the U.S. today. In fact, to me it indicates just the opposite. If racial barriers didn’t exist, it would seem to me that by random chance people of all walks of life would be proportionally running and proportionally getting elected to legislative bodies.
Unless, you don’t think racial barriers in society indicate racism. If not, what explains that less Black people run for office? If you think it has anything to do with the fact that they are Black, then racism does indeed exist. If you have another explanation, I’m all ears. I certainly can’t come up with one though.
that all groups should reflect society at large, there isn’t any use carrying this on.
I’ll try again, masochist that I am. Fewer blacks are elected to office because fewer run. There are no longer any institutional barriers to full participation by any and every citizen. And there are few if any pragmatic barriers, either.
I’ve never won $1 from the lottery, for a ve good reason. I’ve never bought a ticket. A person can’t get into office if they don’t run.
I notice you said there are no institutional barriers, not racial barriers like I said. I never said the GOVERNMENT was still racist. Nice spin though. I said there are racial barriers (that can be overcome) for minorities. Society creates those barriers regardless of what the government does. You can’t seriously believe that as soon as the government removed legal barriers to minorities that all of the sudden no one was racist anymore…right?
They are whatever is keeping them running and/or voting. I haven’t done a study on it, so I can’t tell you exactly what they all are. I only know they exist (although admittedly are less and less all the time). I know they exist because of the unequal representation in high paying jobs and other powerful positions.
Great. No evidence, just supposition.
Dude, it ain’t the system! Outcome is not indicative of dastardly schemes or secret societies.
Any black person that wants to run for an office can do so. Yes, just like a white person they have to register their intents and financials. Nothing is stopping no one. And then, being a representative democracy, people vote.
If a black person from Newtown, the historical black part of Sarasota close by runs to represent his neighborhood, he might well win. On the other hand, with a larger geography, let’s say in the county, he might lose. Not that people say, “Shit, I ain’t votin’ for no n…..”, they just don’t see things in the same light. The concerns of Newtown don’t resonate on Siesta Key.
So then, answer my question. What explains the lack of representative positions? If it isn’t racial barriers in our society, what is it? That Blacks are inherently different than Whites? That belief is the definition of racism. If you believe that they are different because of the color of their skin (for example they don’t run for office as much because they are Black)–that is a racist belief.
Just because a group is below the exact proportional make up of something doesn’t mean racism. If that were the case, then blacks would be the only ones that commit crimes and Jews must really make up like 30% of Democrat voters since a lot more of their office holders are Jews then there are Jews proportionately in the country.
Parsing is right. If black don’t run, they won’t get elected. I find it highly offensive for one to think that just because my congressman, senator, etc hasn’t been black that I’m automatically a racist. Whatever happened to not judging people for things they can’t control?
I looked for the players over at BET and nearly all are black. But I am curious. If we are to have direct representations in business/gov as in the population, then should not be vast majority of BET management be white? And should not 50% be female? And should not 1-5% be gay/lesbian? etc etc. So, I guess that company is racist? Or is it that the CEO simply thought that these were the best ppl for the job?
because it doesn’t fit their 30 year old playbook.
To here the hardcore libs tell it, it is still 1965 in Selma Alabama. (deliberate exaggeration, but close.)
We have not made enough progress, or the progress is superficial, or the legislature doesn’t look like the census.
Why do many people confuse equal outcome with equal opportunity, or assume racism. If 500 men age 18-24 tried out for a basketball team based on experience and ability, would they expect the exact percentage of Asians to the population to be on it.
Bill Cosby can tell them why more young blacks are not succeeding in business and politics, but some people don’t want to believe him. It must still be whitey holding us down. Well whitey’s kid is listening to rap and thinks Beyonce is hot.
When the top entertainers, sports figures, and most popular candidate of a major party are all black, that sounds like people are not making choices based on race.
When a 2005 survey of Republicans ranked Condi Rice and Colin Powell ahead of some major white party regulars in candidate preference surveys, that tells me those people are being evaluated on the content of their character. Cause those same people would not vote for Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. Reason Politics, not skin color.
Right on! (Intentionally used a phrase of the 60’s.)
The list of bpilgrim’s five voter types had that as category #1, I believe. And for those of us libs who are #2’s (??) that want a level playing field run into this constant illogic. You can see it between WinstonSmith and myself right here. It’s also presented as an argument that something must be amiss with the criminal justice system because so many minorities are in prison. Well, men, too, are disproportionate, yet no one has their undies in a knot because they understand men commit more crimes.
The surest way to reduce crime by 90% or more is to eliminate men…..oh, wait….
I think anyone who spends a lot of time thinking about calling Brad “racist” Jones a racist is a racist…
This is just another way for liberals to try and discredit anyone that doesn’t believe in what they are told to believe in by the liberal special interest groups/DNC talking point memos.
hahaha (it’s nice to be on the other side of these petty partisan arguments with no possible solution/answer now)
You mean the one where hating other people because of their ethnic background is not Kosher? Yeah, you are right. Us liberals do try to discredit bigots who don’t follow that memo.
Are you Jewish? If so I have a totally unrelated question. I understand for something to be Kosher refers to Jewish dietary laws. Food in accord with halakha (Jewish law) is termed kosher meaning “fit” (in this context, fit for consumption by Jews according to traditional Jewish law).
So why would a pickle be labeled Kosher? I don’t usually see many foods in the Safeway isles labeled as such. I am sure there are specialty shops for this but why is a pickle singled out? No I am not trying to be an ass, I have wondered about this for years and your comment triggered the question.
slaughtered, bottled, boxed, whatever, under the eye of a rabbi so trained in such nuances. Obviously, the ingredients must be kosher by the kashrut dietary laws; no kosher bacon! Animals must be slaughtered and processed by proscribed means (mostly Leviticus and subsequent derivative authoritative writings.) The machinery processing any foodstuffs must not be contaminated per their beliefs. No processing equipment that mixes dairy and meat, no pork and beef, no storage with shellfish.
All under the eye of rabbinic authority.
Seriously:
http://findarticles.com/p/arti…
I guess not everything kosher is high quality….
C’mon,you’re all taking this twerp too seriously. He’s just a typical neocon wannabe, who dreams of being a K Street lobbyist in the Romney administration. Alas, he’ll have to settle for something less profitable, less grand, and less visible-like fast food. By paying attention to his marginal rant, you’re only inflating his ego-and making him an even more difficult management problem for his future boss at Taco Bell.
from the days of pulling racist stunts at CU by holding bake sales and pricing items based upon the buyers skin color, this is yet another example of Brad’s obsession with a person’s skin color.
He’s a hack hired by a a few nuts at the Independence (mental) Institute.
The bake sale is a great instructive tool of protest.
It shows the blatant hypocrisy in affirmative action (AA) programs.
While some would say AA programs are not smarter than a 5th grader, I say they are not smarter than a 5 year old.
Most 5 year olds know 2 wrongs do not make a right. And never will.
It’s 2008. Barrack Obama won white rural Iowa. The playing fields is as level as is possible with human beings involved.
Let’s start measuring people on the content of their character, not on the color of there skin. It’s time to start living Kings dream, not just praising his speech once a year.
By saying “don’t take offense, but” then saying and doing everything possible to be offensive. You’re right. Two wrongs do not make a right. Jones is wrong on both counts.
It’s unjustifiable stunts such as these, and failing to prove otherwise, that Jones is perceived as a racist and a political hack lurking in Jon Caldara’s shadow.
These stunts on college campi are completely justifiable. College is all about political theater to illustrate a point of view. The left pioneered the practice.
To say all are equal, but some are more equal than others because …..their Great Grandparents were slaves, or were not allowed to own property 200 years ago because they were women, is the most racist and insane position one can take. Yes unfair things have happened. But to set up a patently unfair system to address it is worse.
If you are offended at a bake sale using affirmative action, you should be offended at the college admissions board using the same logic in grants and admissions..
So, black representation at senate president is at 2%, when the population is 4%.
and ppl are making a big deal out of it?
Sorry, but I am not that impressed. Most likely the man has worked for the position (professionally, and personally). I would HOPE that he earned it and not just got it because of his color. If I were Groff, I would want to be known as a person who earned it through hard work, not skin color.
As to Brad Jones being accused of being racist because of this has to be the silliest thing.
When did anyone here imply that Groff didn’t earn this position regardless of the color of his skin? No one has said anything about him getting the position BECAUSE he is Black. I’m only saying that, for a country where Martin Luther King, Jr. was fighting for civil rights not that long ago…to assume that all racism has been eradicated in our society is ludicrous. We should be proud at every instance of equality in our nation. To pretend that the problem is solved–so we should simply ignore it now is the height of ignorance. The effects of slavery and extreme racism can still be seen everywhere today. Until we have equalized the playing field for all (or at least removed race from the game), we need to remember what took place and try to make it right. Celebrations of our society’s accomplishments at moving forward should not be dismissed because a hater like Brad Jones says so.
Rules and opportunities must be colorblind.
The students who were discriminated against because of race have all left the school.
We must have today’s rules for today’s students reflect a fair defend-able equal standard. Not try to justify an unequal standard based on how students were treated in the distant past, or how their great great grandparents were treated in 1861.
We ALL have differences. But race can and should be removed from it. By making a big deal out of his color and his position, you are bringing race into the equation. That is exactly what needs to be stopped. The only way that it will be stopped is when all sides stop it.
Look, when I was growing up, i use to hear the N Word. I hated it, and have rarely used it (the few times that I have used it was per the conversation about the word and never as a description). I used to swear and had a foul mouth, but never said 2 things (n word and the lords name in vain; have several kids now and rarely swear). I was not alone. Older generations overall KILLED that word. Now, the N word is back in vogue because younger generations used it in rap, and others have used it Worst of all, nobody was telling them NOT to. That needs to be killed. The ONLY way to kill racism is if we ALL kill ALL of it. That includes reverse racism. BTW, sharpton was a GREAT example of reverse racism; it is evil if whites use it, but ok if blacks use it because of what happened nearly 150 years ago. Pure evil in my book.
Is jones racist? I have zero idea because I do not watch/listen to him (interestingly, you compared him to Rush, who I listen to once in a very blue moon to find out what idiotic thing he is pushing; he says the same thing over and over). But I do know that “celebrating” a man as being black because he has made a certain position IS racist. Want to stop it? Kill it in yourself. Ppl like Denzel Washington and Tiger Woods are great examples of this. They simply do great things and then receive the credit for what they did, not for their color.
Tiger is a great example, but he is never going to inspire a movement. Movements are based on emotion.
The funny thing about the N word is young Blacks use it to refer to each other, proving a word can not be racist.
Comedian’s can get away with it. But as Micheal Richards proved, only so much.
In a country who’s first amendment is about free speech, Nigger should not have the power we have given it.
The word itself some say has origins in region terms. Those who came from the Niger river area of west Africa, were Niger’s. (The word at its root, is like calling them all West Africans. I wonder what this N word debate would be like if it was the A word. If 200 years ago slaveholders had referred to their property or blacks in general as AF REE CANS. Nigger would mean nothing today.)
However it started, the word evolved to “niggers” by truly racist slaveholders who excused their inhumane treatment of their slaves by claiming niggers were sub human.
But I don’t think that is what black young people mean when they call each other the N word, do you.
As to Jones, I don’t listen to Denver radio.
I was reacting to others here posting a pronouncement of his racism based on his support for protest of Affirmative Action (programs based on race) by holding an Affirmative action bake sale.
Like I said. We throw that racist label around way too freely. It blunts and lessens its impact when real racism shows up.
Amen.
Sometimes I wonder if people know real racism when they really see it.
A recent example was the sportcaster gal talking about tiger. The other sportcaster was commenting that they other players could not beat tiger, to which she replied that they would have to lynch him in a back alley. Personally, I thought it was a clever play on words (in addition, it will be the only way to beat him, because he is one of the all time greats of the game). Yet sharpton took that out of context and went after her. No doubt if that had been a white male, they would have been fired. But the next time sharpton comes out speaking like this, he will be like W on iran; far fewer will take him serious. Of course, that is a good thing.
..I sense that the Sharpton’s of this world will find a lot less traction. Hard to claim that this is a racist nation when a black man is in the Oval Office. Also, I believe that if Obama were to address some racially charged incident in the future, he will be a leader and pull us together and not give Sharpton any creds.
I like the fact that Obama is trying hard to not make race be an issue. I suspect that it will become so during the final election. But oddly enough, I find him to be like gore and ron paul, very bright and a hard worker (yeah, I know; you do not like RP; your prerogative).
Brad Jones has been pulling this crap ever since we were at CU together (Affirmative Action Bake Sale, anyone?). The problem is that, in the wake of these stunts, the immediate response doesn’t encourage any kind of meaningful dialog. Those that get riled up end up saying, “He’s a racist!” and not, “affirmative action may not be a perfect policy but it’s still necessary!” In a larger sense, it’s the same bait and switch tactic that’s long been used by radical republicans to define the terms of debate. If Jones is starved of his oxygen, attention, the flame will die down.