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December 08, 2007 04:45 PM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it.”

–Edward Dowling

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  1. ..that she is seriously considering supporting H.R.C. for prez next year.

     Flowers said that H.R.C. is, next to Joe Biden, the most qualified candidate running.  She also said that since she’s pro-choice and really wants to see a woman elected president, she’s leaning towards Hillary, although she added that given a choice, she’d prefer some other woman be elected instead.

      Still, Gennifer has come a long way from unsuccessful defamation suit against H.R.C.

      I wonder for whom Monica Lewinsky is going to vote next year?

    1.    Back when I was in college, Nat’l Lampoon had a story about alleged “Homo Farms” which Fidel Castro was operating in Cuba where gay men were sent.

        It looks like Huck was borrowing an idea from that good old Hispanic Marxist-Leninist, albeit limiting it to HIV+ people.

        By the way, has everyone else seen the latest Newsweek poll of Iowa GOP caucus-goers?  It’s got Huck surging at 39%, with Romney dropping to 17%, Thompson at 10% and Giuliani at 9%.

        Pay close attention to what happens in S. Carolina in the next couple of weeks.  I got a funny feeling that Huck is going to find fundraising a lot easier, and his S. Carolina polling numbers will start swelling.

        And it all started with Chuck Norris…  

      1. Three months ago, on the topic of who will win, I posted:

        Depends on when a con clears his side of the field.

        Giuliani’s greatest strength (except for 9-11) is that he’s only sharing the “moderates” with McCain, whereas the conservative vote is fractured.  If someone(I think it should be Huckabee but will most likely be Thompson) clears the right-wing field soon enough,that person will win.  If that doesn’t happen until after the end of January, then it’ll be too late and Giuliani wins.

        Other than having completely overestimated Thompson, I still think this is right. If Thompson falls behind in S.C., I think he drops out.    That would still leave a big split between Huckabee and Romney, though, and even Giuliani somehow still getting a share of the con vote.  Do you think Huckabee is surging to the extent that he has a chance to unify the conservative vote before it is too late to stop your fave Rudy G?

        1. ….most of us completely over-estimated Thompson, and he will likely be dropping out on the night of the S. Carolina primary when he comes in third place.

            While Huck has an extraordinary opportunity to unify the right wing, it may yet be face a bumpy path to get there.  Tank and the xenophobes will not warm up to him and his plan to give college assistance the children of illegals.

            And the Club for Growth despises him for his numerous tax increases as governor.  And we know Pat Toomey is not reluctant to take on fellow Republicans; think Arlen Specter in ’04, Lincoln Chaffee and Jeff Crank in ’06.

            But Huck should rally all of the evangelicals to his crusade.

          1. That Huckabee wins Iowa, Guiliani wins NH, and McCain wins SC. And if this happens you still have 4 in the race because Romney has his own money and will place 2nd in most of the races.

            If that happens, then the Repub race will probably be a horse race well past Feb 5.

              1.    Not only is N.H. in Boston media market, but Mitt had a vacation house on Lake Winipesakee.

                  McCain, however, was just endorsed by the notorious Manchester Union Leader, a rag so far to the right that it makes the Colo. Spgs. daily look like the N.Y. Times.

            1. I can see any of this except McCain in S.C.  Doesn’t Giuliani clean up even a three-way race on 2/5?  Or do you think Romney’s resources will get him in the game nationally?

              1. …..then comes in third place in N.H. (behind Mitt, Huck and/or McCain), followed by second or third place in S.C., I think all that hot air that has been propelling his 2/5 strategy is gonna come out of his balloon really fast.

                  Romney, if he decides to tap into his own bank accounts, can run a war of attrition all the way to Minneapolis but I’m not sure it will get him anything more than V.P.

  2. at the State Dem Central Committee.

    His line about losing his vocal chords due to agent orange, but not his voice for the people moved a lot of us.

    Kudos to him for taking on the R hordes in CD6

        1. I didn’t see many video cameras in use.  There was one on the left side of the room by one of the presidential candidate tables. But, I don’t know if it was on during the speeches.  I didn’t see any others.  Perhaps someone had a voice recorder running.

      1. Hah!

        Might as well ask for walking on water.  Some people are tech trainable, many are not.

        Some people can’t drive a stick shift. Some can’t grasp cut and paste.

        When I was director of a community computer lab, that was one of my great awakenings.  Some folks can get it, some never will.  I remember one lady who couldn’t work a computer because she couldn’t control a mouse. Eye-hand coordination was lacking.  Talk about basics.  

  3.    In a 3 to 2 decision, the state Supreme Court held that a Rhode Island lesbian couple, who previously lived in Mass. and lawfully married there, could not get divorced in Rhode Island.

      When these two women said “til death do we part,” I wonder if they realized how true that would turn out to be….

    1. When you come together in a relationship everyone is mostly happy and working together, when a relationship comes apart, no one is happy and working together.

      Untagling a relationship, marriage, civil union, or even business partnership, is messy and often requires the intervention of courts.  Courts (family courts in particular) often do a poor job, but its better than ‘there is no legal remedy, because no one has jurisdiction’, which is in essence whate the RI court says.  (I think there is a real constitutional question under the contracts clause)

      What are you going to say to the gay couples that have children? Are you going to say sorry can’t hear the case? are you going to say only one parent of each gender (what about T’s that concieve as men, but become women?  Should they have their parental rights severed?)  Are you going to deny 2nd parents their rights and protect them from their responsibilities? Are you going to sever children from people they have known as parents all their life?

      I know plenty of far right types who say screw them all (some litterally) because they hate gays or think homosexuality is immoral: but even I am shocked by the cruelty the far right shows toward children–I shouldn’t be though, I’ve seen it too many times.

          1. More than 30 years ago.  All you needed was love — so just live together and damn the lawyers when you split.

            Now everyone wants to be married.  I think it has all to do with health insurance, pensions and who gets what after the divorce.  But even if you do just live together, you can’t get away from the lawyers any more.  We are a very regulated, structured society.  Very Bourgeois.  

  4. 2 people killed and 2 wounded in Arvada at Faith Bible Chapel and now reports of 4 shot (no news if any were killed) at New Life Church down in the Springs.

    And it could be the same person based on the times of the two shootings. I hope they catch whoever it is doing this – fast.

    1. Colorado Springs Police has “detained” a suspect in the New Life Church shootings.  As usual with the media when the facts aren’t available there are more suppositions than facts being broadcast right now.  Hadn’t heard about the shootings in Arvada.

      1. And the shooter was apparently killed by an armed security guard.  Police are looking for a second suspect.  For those who don’t find it offensive, please pray for those shot and their families.

            1. but I never take offense, personally. Not speaking for everyone, of course. But the families and victims are in my mind and heart. This is just terrible…

        1. What was guards doing at a church and why are they armed? I have not been to service in about a year (switching churches due to moving; been too busy). But I have always been in small episcopal churches of up to 50 ppl (something about small towns do that). I have attended catholic churches with 400 ppl. But NONE have needed a security guard, and the last thing I can imagine is GUNS in church. That is BIZARRE!.

          Now, the 2 shootings are linked. I am guessing that we are going to find out the reason for the guards. I wonder how many armed guards at Dobson’s church. I would guess quite a few.

            1. Police arrived to find that the gunman had been killed by a member of the church’s armed security staff, Myers said.

              THIS Does not sound like it was just a temporary thing.
              Of course, the problem is that  what news reports, what the church will tell, and what the truth is, are typically very different.

              1. They have plain clothed security staff and off duty cops that attend the church a lot, but they did “beef up” security in light of the Arvada shooting.

                1. for putting that psycho out there to begin with.

                  It’s called monism (as compared to dualism.)  The Jewish faith is monistic, the Christian faith dualistic, over simplified.  

                    1. …is the belief that good and evil come from separate sources.  In the Middle East, it started with Zorasterism, which then “infected” some Jews and fit handily into the developing Christian faith. The two sources are God and Satan.  

                      Monism is the belief that good and evil come from the same source. “The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away” is a reflection of that. The book of Job is about the travails inflicted by God, don’t forget. In Job, don’t forget, Satan worked for God as sort of a cop. But it was God that zapped his good man, Satan didn’t have the authority.  The whole Hebrew Bible has this perspective.  

                    2. I’m starting to remember some of my early indoctrination!! Now I remember why I forgot it:-)

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