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February 17, 2007 05:06 PM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“I’m skeptical of anything that has ‘Bill of Rights’ tacked on to it.”


Michelle Malkin

Jason Bane, Kevin McCasky, Kevin McCaskey

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  1. We had the Fairview/Mullen girls basketball game last night. I didn’t see the previous Mullen/Fairview game (which Fairview won) but apparently it was as bad.

    Basketball games are physical and most games have some fouls that are blatent. But at the same time most teams are playing basketball, not viewing the game as a street fight.

    Mullen amoung other things had one of their girls drop down and knee a Fairview girl on the ground in the back. Another Mullen player repeatedly kicked a Fairview player on the ground in the head.

    And apparently the boys basketball games are worse where the Mullen players will step on the chest of opposing players when they are on the floor.

    For those that talk down public school in favor of private schools – this is what one private Catholic school teaches it’s kids. Oh, and the team average gpa at Fairview – 4.3/4.0 (lots of IB students on the team).

    I’ld say our girls are getting a better education than Mullen provides – both academically and in how to approach life.

    Final score – 41 – 45 but the Fairview girls played one hell of a game and continued to play professional basketball throughout. I’m proud of them.

    Just wanted to vent.

    – dave

    ps – At one time Fairview had just 4 players on the court (one came off with injuries and the coach didn’t sub another in) – and they scored against Mullen – playing one down. Awesome to see

    1. Where were the ref’s and why weren’t there ejections?

      Can someone help me with a question? How and when does public financing dollars get distibuted in the presidential electon? Are they self financed until there’s only two candidates on each side still standing, or what?

      1. Soccer is even worse. I know refs who will not ref high school boys games because it is basically a free for all.

        In girls soccer there are a number of teams who’s basic approach is to beat up the other team to win. When you couple that with a lousy ref who doesn’t call anything (very common), girls end up in the hospital.

        On my middle daughter’s team which over the years moved up to Elite 1 (top level), at least once each season we had a girls going to the hospital with a broken bone. They played their final season with 3 starters unable to play because of injuries.

        But from this they learn how to persevere and win while continuing to play the game. It’s really good experience for life – because life is not fair, it favors the other person, and others cheat and bully for advantage.

        But high school sports is a mess. It shouldn’t be that way – but it is. And many schools seems to care more about winning a state championship than improving academic scores.

    2. The girls are competitive – of course!  They rely on the refs to let them know where to stop.  You can’t expect teenagers in the heat of the game to be the ones setting limits on themselves.  The refs have to do that.

      Our sixth grader plays basketball as well, and the reffing in different leagues is amazing.  In one game they get beaten up, and in they next one or more of our girls fouls out, because different levels of aggression are acceptable in different leagues.  A lot of different levels of aggression would be acceptable (though not kneeing and kicking!) if only it were consistent so the girls could learn the limits.

      Let’s see how this relates to politics.  Ah yes.  It is the job of Congress (in the first instance) to stop the president from over stepping his powers.  If they don’t do it, the president strays further and further over the line.

    1. Helen Thomas: So, Madame Secretary, if I have this straight (which is entirely questionable given the mere fact that I am something like 246 years old, give or take another 67 years), Bush lied and people died?

      Condi Rice: *Raaaaaawwwr*

      Helen Thomas: Madame Secretary?

      Condie Rice: *Raaaaawwwr*

      Helen Thomas: Madame Secretary, are you alright?

      Condie Rice: *Raaaaawwwr*…

      (At his point Helen Reddy comes onto the podium and begins leading a rendition of “I am woman”)

      Helen Thomas: Madame Secretary, Bush’s war has caused approximately three billion casualties–give or take a few–and you’re playing games?  This is simply disgraceful! 

      Rice and Reddy: I am woman hear me roar, in numbers too big to ignore…

      (At this point Mookie Al Sadr pops up from behind the podium’s curtain wearing a sequined one-piece, just in time for the chorus line’s big finish….

      Mookie, Reddy, and Rice: I am woman, I am invincible, I am strong, I am woman!

  2. In your link at the top to Michelle Malkin it lists one of her books – “In Defense of Internment – the case for racial profiling in WWII and the GWOT”.

    They did a review after WWII and they found that not a single Japanese-American took the Japanese side – not one!

    On the flip side the 442nd was the most decorated regiment in WWII – it was all Niesi (Japanese-American) except for most of the officers.

    For German-Americans it was not 100% but it was damn close to that. In fact, it was a German-American who was first over the Rhine at Remagen and the American troops who spoke fluent German would get on the phone systems when they first took one side of the town and call the German Army headquarters on the local phone system and taunt them.

    There was no case for racial profiling in WWII – even in hindsight.

  3. This is absolutely sickening. Senator Reid and Speaker Pelosi should lock the Congress down until every single one of these problems is finally fixed.
    Behind the door of Army Spec. Jeremy Duncan’s room, part of the wall is torn and hangs in the air, weighted down with black mold. When the wounded combat engineer stands in his shower and looks up, he can see the bathtub on the floor above through a rotted hole. The entire building, constructed between the world wars, often smells like greasy carry-out. Signs of neglect are everywhere: mouse droppings, belly-up cockroaches, stained carpets, cheap mattresses.

    This is the world of Building 18, not the kind of place where Duncan expected to recover when he was evacuated to Walter Reed Army Medical Center from Iraq last February with a broken neck and a shredded left ear, nearly dead from blood loss. But the old lodge, just outside the gates of the hospital and five miles up the road from the White House, has housed hundreds of maimed soldiers recuperating from injuries suffered in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    This is beyond sickening. We have to sit back and listen to GOP members of Congress, George Bush’s White House, and that pig General Petraeus dare to tell us how WE’RE the ones turning our backs on the troops, when all three of them knew this was going on under their watch and none of them lifted a finger to fix it.

    Our soldiers were lied to about this war, they were lied to about their enlistment, they were never given a plan for victory or the numbers of troops they needed, they still don’t have the armor they need for their vehicles. And now, the young men and women wounded and maimed for our country are living in government-run pig-stys not fit for farm animals. The American Taliban and the detainees in Guantanamo get better conditions than this, all courtesy of the Republicans.

    The Republicans want to talk about treason? They want to talk about slowly bleeding our troops to death? Fine. Forget the agenda Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Reid had planned. It’s high time we helped our troops. And if the Republicans won’t do it, then we will. Let’s ensure that the American people and our troops know which party got them into this mess, and which party is getting them out of it. Let the hearings and investigation and legislation begin until we fix these problems once and for all.

    I am sick and tired of being called a traitor by right-wing scum who love the troops when the cameras are rolling, then spit in their faces over and over again. The Republicans want to talk about emboldening the enemy and harming the troops, great. Let’s start talking about it, loudly and often.

    h/t Americablog.com

    1. I can’t believe how we are basically throwing away our wounded soldiers. These troops repeatedly risked their lives and are permanently injured because we put them in harms way.

      They deserve so much better than this.

      Imagine if the was WWII. Eleanor Roosevelt would have heard about this, would have reported it to FDR, and the next thing that would have happened was that whoever was responsible would have been fired instantly.

      – dave

    2. if you hadn’t so often and viciously expressed your contempt for those Americans who have served their country, something you have never done.  Your contempt for the military is recorded all over this board. Trust me, as a veteran myself, we notice it!

      1. No matter how often conservatives try to say progressives and liberals don’t support the troops, it still isn’t true.  We are the ones who support the VA and disability benefits and the GI bill – and providing armor and sufficient manpower too.  Conservatives love to say booyah and feel macho, but the troops need more than cheerleaders.

        1. you weren’t the ones who answered the call when the nation was in jeopardy.  We veterans did and have a little better idea about what “the troops” (us and our successors) think.
          If you served, as many patriotic women have, I honor you.  I know Robin didn’t.

          1. So what about those of us that were rejected? Actually, scratch that. I’ve never served. Does that mean that my opinion does not count? That I have no right to comment about the war?

            1. Whether for or against the war that is entirely respectable regardless of your paucity of national service.  The same goes for me.  But I simply have a natural respect, a natural regard, for those who served in uniform.  These people are the most patriotic people in the country–more so than either you or me–and quite frankly they are more important to our nation.  Those are stark, maybe strident, words. 

              Let me relate a story…

              I graduated from high school only several years ago.  There was a bloke I knew marginally and he was a real chav–into partying and quite the low-life. Last year I was walking through campus up in Boulder and I see this same guy who happened to be in Boulder and we got to talking.  He told me he was on leave for a month until he was set to return to his Marine brigade in Iraq–he had already been once to that theatre and also Afghanistan.  Suddenly this guy for whom I had always little respect suddenly became a giant in my eyes.  Not only did I go gaga for this MAN of character, but I myself felt like an absolute nobody.  I’m convinced that because so many young people today have answered the call to service, this is the latest Greatest Generation.

              Of course civilian opinion counts and we matter just as much in the scope of things.  And let me tell you that there are some real a-holes and morons in the military like there are anywhere else.  But I’m just a 20-something academic goober, husband, and father.  But I still have heroes and they are in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the American memories of past conflicts.  THOSE are America’s heroes.

                1. I won’t get in to the specifics of what was “legal.” But I think virtually every country supported the right of the U.S. to invade Afghanistan.

                  While it was Al Qaeda that attacked us, they were given safe refuge in Afghanistan both before and after the attack.

                  And the answer to that attack had to be quick, forceful, and effective. The law, especially international law, would have taken way too long.

                  Iraq is a totally different story. But Afghanistan I think met any reasonable test. I do think Bush should have asked for a formal declaration of war though.

              1. I dont think that patriotism can be quantified. I think it is as patriotic to serve your country in a war as it is to question the reasons the country is in a war. The same goes for America’s heroes. People who stand against the status quo, against the wrongs society has committed are just as worthy of hero status as those that fight and die in combat.

                I hate nostalgic comparisons. This is not meant to be an insult to you, it literally bothers me anytime I hear them. Twice when I was about to see movies with a good friend he made these two comments: “‘Jarhead’ is our generations ‘Apocalypse Now,'” and “‘Harold and Kumar go to white Castle’ is our generations ‘Bill and Ted.'” You and I are probably around the same age (25). Our generation is our own. Making comparisons to anything that has come before us does a disservice to both ours and theres. Our experiences as a generation are wholly unique as are theres. The wars especially are different.

                I am not inferior to a soldier and they are not inferior to me. We are different in a multitude of ways none of which is better or worse than the other.

              2. Here is the current list of who served…

                and who didn’t

                I am a proud Veteran and know many who served, many who did not serve, many who served and did not want to, and many who chose their own way in life.  It is a disingenuous attack by those attempting character destruction by placing military service with patriotism. You dirty your own legacy because so many since the mid-70’s have not been in the military once it became a volunteer military.  You want to use those who have been in the military to give you credence to your own bias, your own predjuices, your own ignorance, your version of patriotism, and a way of covering for your refusal to enlist. 

                I have seen and read from so many proudly professing to "support our troops" immediately demanding reduction of the taxes which funds the VA.  Today’s Washington Post has exposed the absolute refusal of the past Congress and the current adminstration to accept the results of their war and occupation of and on Iraq.  Although this is a most common occurance over our American history, the use and discard of the military, it is extremely disgusting under the current administration.  So many of the supporters of the war have used vernacular to seperate and denigrate those who question the war, and yet they refuse to accept responsibity for what they have rendered.

                Neigh, I find those who are false patriots to be worth less then those who have hidden themselves from conscription in the true belief that they must live with their own principles.

                1. “So many of the supporters of the war have used vernacular to seperate and denigrate those who question the war, and yet they refuse to accept responsibity for what they have rendered”

                  That sentence just about sums it up entirely.

              3. …and say that just because someone is a vet, it doesn’t mean that they are a super hereo, a genius, or someone to be admired for that service. 

                Military service is not the only way to serve this nation.

      2. I have consistently supported the troops. And I initially supported the war (which I now admit I was wrong to do).

        But I think you do not even need to support the troops, have served (I did not – high draft number), or anything else. This country is a civilian government and the military is an instrument of the government.

        As a democracy we each have a responsibility and a duty to insure that we put our military in harms way only when it is worth the awful price it always extracts in terms of dead and wounded soldiers.

        Each and every citizen should be thinking about this question.

        Some previous posts I have made on this:

        I support the troops, I do not support the war

        I support the troops, I do not support the war – Part II

        Iraq – I was wrong

      1. the h/t at the bottom means “a tip of the hat” to Americablog.com for the story.

        In response Shiloh, with all due respect for your service, my anger has not been directed at troops, although I loath those who murder innocents and who torture innocents. They’re a sadistic bunch and shouldn’t be serving in the military. That goes for those who turn their heads to these atrocities or who give the orders.

        My “rant” posted over the last couple of years has been against the civilian commanders, especially Bush and Cheney and their neocon supporters, who got us into this mess with their lies and dreams of empire, built on the backs of our national guard volunteers.

        Profiteering on war is a crime, and there are many examples, including handing our tons of cash that has gone unaccounted for in this Iraq mess….some $9-12 Billion last I heard. That’s my and your tax dollars. You may be tolerant of such waste and abuse, I am not.

        I am a pacifist, and proudly so. War is hell. Something neither Bush or Cheney has any first hand knowledge of. You can throw an extra coat of paint all over hell, but it doesn’t change it for what it is. I’m not even going to address the terrible business model which the military industrial complex has become. Let’s see if they get their 10,s of thousands of acres in S.E. CO for their war games.

        I once took a lot of heat on this site for stating that the military feeds at the tit of American taxpayers. Although that was a strong statement, there is truth in it. I would bet the farm that, in toto, the military adventures/supply/weapons systems of this country stand alone at the top of the heap of waste and corruption in all of historys “business” enterprises.

        My father-in-law spent three years in a German POW camp having been shot down over the North Sea. My father was a Seargent in WWII. I don’t dishonor their service. I don’t dishonor yours unless you did dishonorable things while in the service.

  4. http://www.nytimes.c

    I mostly agree with Rosen in this piece.  Though I’m a Romney guy–not a McCain or Giuliani supporter–I think he’s right.  Barack Obama is quite close to Rick Warren and the other day he came out VERY strongly in support of Israel’s right to self-defense.  Who knows whether or not that’s mere lip-service.  But on thing is clear, Barack Obama is not reticent about being a strong person of faith and using that faith to influence public policy on AIDS, for example.  The reason the culture was has become to heated is that while before the 1960s both parties were more or less in agreement about core cultural valus and faith, today they are directly opposed to one another.  If you’re a Democrat you are quite likely to be a secular liberal to supports gay marriage and abortion and if you’re a Republican it’s the very opposite.

    The Democrats would be a veritable powerhouse in America if they simply got off the wild rainbow ride of the 1960s and got in touch with their inner Heartland (at least rhetorically).  The Democrats did it in 2006 and they won because guys like Bill Ritter and Ed Perlmutter were not afraid of thumping a little Bible from time to time.  Now if they could get serious about national security even I *gasp* could think about voting for a Democrat.  Joe Lieberman may be the most powerful politician in America.  He’s committed to victory in Iraq, he’s an Orthodox Jew, and he’s not afraid of talking about American values with the cultural confidence the West lacks.  But fundamentally the man is quite liberal.  I could probably even support the man.

    1. You are talking about my people here and I won’t allow you to denigrate them or the Democratic party.  Here is where a knowledge of history is so important.  The one civic value which was still shared when the 60s began was the notion that the individual states had the right to enforce segregation in public accommodations.  The Supreme Court had already ruled that “separate but equal” in education was unconstitutional.  The Republican President Eisenhower said he disagreed with the decision but he would enforce it and so had sent troups into Little Rock to desegrete Central High.

      The South, at that time, was Democratic and in an uproar over federal intervention.  Kennedy won by the narrowest of margins and his administration went on to support civil right efforts in the South. He was hated in the South for these efforts and because of latent anti-catholicism.  When he was assassinated in Dallas, many of us thought it had been done by so-called “right wing radicals” who had attacked Stevenson in Dallas a few weeks before.

        With one shot, the Democrats lost a brilliant leader and all the power he potentially represented.  The party was almost destroyed by infighting…but still,  with Johnson, a Southern,  they went on to support civil rights legislation which secured civil rights for African Americans and cost the Democratic Party the South.  Johnson’s acts were truly the acts of a brave, courageous man who put country and justice ahead of political power. And saved this country, I believe, from civil war.

      MLK was not a Democrat but he represented the very best in this country and many if not most Democrats supported him.  He was assassinated for his beliefs and the civil rights movement was fragmented afterwards.  Then there was Bobby Kennedy, who entered the Presidential race late, and entered to as an anti-war candidate.  He was assassinated by an Islamic fanatic because of his support for Israel.  But, when the list of terrorist attacks on the US is made, the Republicans conveniently forget to add Bobby Kennedy to that list.

      So for the second time in five years, the Democratic party lost a leader and the party was torn up.  Still, they fought the good fight.  Nixon won in 1968 using the”southern strategy” of wooing into his party, the Democratics who were not in favor of civil rights. 

      At the end of the decade, the Democratic party was still is disarray, trying to be true to its principles, its fallen heros, and still function as a political power.
      It has lost the South to the Republican party.  BUT:  Civil rights legislation was the law of the land; the draft was on the way out and 18 year olds had the right to vote.  In 1972, the kids who had been outside demonstrating in Chicago at the Democratic convention, were inside running the show.  That is how justice means peace.  It didn’t mean power, not for a long time.  Those were brave people.  I salute them.

      1. that Robert Kennedy’s assassination is not Islamic terrorism is the fact that Sirhan Sirhan was raised as a Maronite Christian.  He moved to other denominations during his life before the assassination, but he was never a Muslim.  He was a Palestinian, and Kennedy’s support for Isreal was the reason given for Sirhan’s motive.

  5. Happy Chinese New Year!

    The Chinese zodiac sign for this year is The Pig.

    Who are some famous politicians born in previous years of The Pig? Arnold Schwarzenegger and Hillary Clinton are both Pigs. Ronald Reagan was a Pig.

    http://www.chicagotr

    Oink-oink!

  6.   Are these seven “cut and run” Republicans who have betrayed their commander in chief and want to abandon victory in Iraq?
      Or are they the Capitol Hill chapter of  Kool-aid Drinkers Anonymous finally getting sober?

    1. Although Hagel has been against the mess in Iraq from the start – an honorable man throughout on this issue. (Honorable for stating his opinion back when the Republican party basically cast him out for doing so).

        1. Coleman, Collins, Hagel, Smith, & Warner – 2008

          Specter is 2010

          Snowe is 2012

          So I’ll give Hagel (he has had this stance for years), Specter, and Snowe credit for speaking from their heart.

          Coleman, Collins, Smith, & Warner I think have at least 1 eye on the 08 election.

          1. …but he’d have to bust his ass campaigning.  Remember, Virginia came close to re-electing Macaca Allen last year.  And to my knowledge, Warner has never been accused of placing a severed deer’s head in anyone’s mailbox.

  7. So I asked him what the matter was. Last night, coming home, he was stopped because a tail light was out and fined $41. I think that’s crap. Why can’t a police officer, or why can’t the law in these instances be, show up at the police station within two days fixed, and there will be no fine? It’s ridiculous. He’s a 4.o student who works part time and $41 is a lot of money for him.

    1. the vast majority of traffic laws in this country are in place to generate revenue.  No more, no less.  Anyone who drives for a living in a given city can tell you where it is safe to exceed the speed limit and where you have to toe the line.  The only reason that motorcycle equipped officers exist is to generate revenue, they cannot be justified any other way.  The only times I don’t feel bad for someone pulled over by the police are school zones and DUI situations.  The rest of the time it is non-tax revenue generation for the municipality involved. 

    2. when he made an illegal U-turn and an oncoming car hit him. His car cost $1200 to repair, and the other car $3500. My friend got a 1 pt. ticket and a $65 fine. With a tail lite out, my son got 1 1 pt. ticket and a $41 fine. Just makes no sense.

      I live in Arvada. It was a JeffCo poiceman.

      1. “plead down” in traffic court?  Otherwise it doesn’t make sense, an illegal u-turn resulting in an accident is at least careless driving which is 3 pts.  Your son getting charged a point for a tail light out means, I think, an unsafe vehicle citation, is that what the ticket said?  That would seem to be a little harsh unless he had been warned on it previously.

    3. Four pretty high school girls in a car. Two possible violations (she was under 6 months on her license with passengers and passed a cop making a traffic stop in the slow lane).

      Just got a warning. She’s a 4.5 student but I don’t think that was it. Your son was the wrong gender. It sucks but the #1 rule of traffic stops is if you’re female and pretty you have much better odds of not getting a ticket.

      Personally, I think the answer to this is more gay cops. Give the high school boys an equal chance.

  8.   Did anyone else catch Mitt Romney and his charming wife, Stepford Anne, on George Stephanopolous this morning? 
      It looks like in addition to his flip flopping on abortion and gay rights, he’s also done a pirouette on guns. 
      He supported the Brady bill in the 90’s, signed a bill banning assault weapons as governor, but now has seen the light on the Second Amendment and became a member of the NRA.

    1. I do like his wife and the term “Stepford” is really uncalled for.  She is the mother of five sons and has MS.  That is a nasty disease and it is difficult for an outsider to understand how it might impact affect and responses.  Let’s give her a break.

      He is a piece of work…where ever the wind blows, there he is….a political checklist…perhaps brainwashing is genetic

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