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November 04, 2006 04:18 PM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

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“Naturally the common people don’t want war…but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship…all you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

–Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering

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  1. At one point during the war Hitler gave a speech to the faithful in which he called for total sacrifice to the German State and leadership.  Party member interrupted constantly to shout their approval. 

    Later, Joseph Goebbels said even he found the response disturbing.  I believe this was late in the war, and it was pretty obvious how things were going to turn out. 

    In one of my web wanderings earlier I found reference to the speech, which I seem to recall was 1945-ish, but not Goebbels comments.  I recall mention of the comment was in a film documentary of the party or Hitler era, but don’t remember the title.  You all being nimble partisan researchers should probably dig for that. 
     

  2. Did anyone see the piece on “dinner with the candidates” last night on News4?  At the end of the meal the hostess asked BB about the FBI investigation.  The uncomfortable silence and his fumbling for words almost had me feeling sorry to Bob.  He couldn’t remember the name of the database (NCIC) and he still claims that this is all just Ritter’s “assertion” that something illegal was done.  At least he didn’t mention John Marshall’s name again — which he routinely does when these discussions take place. 

  3. Remember the republicans repeatedly syaing, “No one could have predicted we’d need more than 150,000 troops to win in Iraq, and even then no one could have predicted it would end up a nightmare.”

    Oh no, that’s wrong. Bill Clinton’s administration predicted that fact, and George Bush and the Republican arrogance ignored it.

    Back in 1999, chaos was predicted from an Iraq invasion even if we had 400,000 troops over there:

    The U.S. government conducted a series of secret war games in 1999 that anticipated an invasion of Iraq would require 400,000 troops, and even then chaos might ensue.

    In its “Desert Crossing” games, 70 military, diplomatic and intelligence officials assumed the high troop levels would be needed to keep order, seal borders and take care of other security needs.

    No wonder Iraq is such a disaster. Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney wanted to the Iraq war with fewer troops. A lot fewer. Experts were worried about chaos with 400,000 troops.
    h/t Americablog,com

    Had enough?

  4. I spent today and will spend the next three canvassing for a group for GOTV purposes.  I won’t say what group, other than it is leftward.  Spell that D-E-M in sympathy, not in funding.  But we couldn’t present ourselves as DEM, even though we had a door hanger for a state Dem candidate, which didn’t mention his/her party.  All very weird, in a way.  And they couldn’t/wouldn’t tell us who the targets were, what party, status, etc.

    So they sent me off to a precinct near Columbine.  Now, boys and girls, I find modern suburbia stranger than my trips to the mountains of Mexico.  It is SO different than my inner city and blue collar small city experiences.  You obviously MUST have a car to get a gallon of milk, unlike my one and a half block walk.  A large percentage of homes (25%)were into BIG vehicles and lots of them.  Boats, Harleys, Trailers, RV’s. Didn’t see one “person of color.”

    I realized that although $3 a gallon of gas hurt me, my 45 or so gallons a month was NOTHING compared to what these families need. 

    Now, if you are an energy consumer, would you vote for Tommy or Billy?  Even though the former is a non-vet, and the latter is an Iraq vet, who conveys the image of a kick-ass world power taking the oil under other people’s sands? 

    Having said that, I saw few yard signs of either, with a slight balance in Billy’s favor.  But the sampling was too low and too reliant on just observation to be valid.  The Repub’s have signs on the medians, etc at a rate of 10 or 15 to one over Dems.  But those are just one man’s opinion times 10 or 15.

    Because several people I contacted had “Vote Democratic” or Ritter signs out, I was thinking that maybe we were trying to get the “backslider” Dems, those who hadn’t voted in a couple of years or more.

    Back to my targets for the GOTV effort.  I copied a few names and addresses and when I got home, plugged them into my voter database. 

    ALL Unaffiliateds.

    Conclusion: Not at the state Dem level, but private funding, is going hard after the Unaffiliateds.  I’m estimating that it is costing well over $1 per address hit, whether just leaving a door hanger or talking to someone.

    This must be a very serious race this year!  🙂

      1. Two women who weren’t going to vote; a half dozen that had already voted, either by mail or early; and everyone else saying that they were going to vote on Tuesday.

        Keep in mind that in the vast majority of households, no one answered the door.  I even had one close the inner door and step off to the side as I walked up the walk!

      1. I sort of got sucked in since I was responding to a need for drivers.  The heretofore unmentioned fact is that I’m being paid, and I need the money! 

        Wow, we agree on something! Enjoy your Sabbath or whatever it might be to you.

        1. it still sucks.  I hope you are being treated well.  The worst is when someone opens the door and acts like you just threw tomato sauce on their wedding dress. 

          You have a good Sunday as well!

  5. The fat lady has not sung yet. Ted  Haggard and also the editorials due out Monday in the Army Times, the Navy Times, etc., calling for Rumsfield to resign might have influenced UAs and maybe Republicans as well as some catholics and evangelists, but they may have already voted before these events.  The GOTV Early effort may have backfired on the Democrats.

  6. First a funny observation while my wife and I were on our way to church this morning.  While exiting I-225 at Mississippi, we observed a car with Perlmutter, Ritter and Veterans for Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers.  The real funny part was the car’s license plate ended in “GOP”.  I wish I had a camera to capture it.

    After church, I noticed there were no flyers for any candidates stuck on the windshields of the cars.  I found this quite remarkable since it seems before every election, there is some candidate flyer, ususally for the GOP candidates in the area.  This year, NOTHING!  Is the vaunted GOP 72 hour effort in effect?

    1. I’m just back from GOTV in Denver.

      It has been a very long time since I have seen the kind of effort in Denver for GOTV in a mid-term election on the weekend before the election.

      Dems are pulling out all the stops

  7. Last night I posted some observations about my canvassing in the land of Tommy T, see above.

    Today I walked in two precincts. The first was at roughly Yale and Kipling.  All SFR’s, no apts or condos.  The second was almost all condos and apartments out near Union and Simms.

    Our instructions were to hang a flyer from the door knob, unless our records showed that they had asked for a mail ballot.  In that case, we were to talk with them to make sure that the ballot had either been mailed, or that they knew they had to carry it to a polling place.  So far I’ve not met any who had not mailed it in, although my partner today had a total of two over two days. 

    Here is the result of Parsing’s Perfect Polling:  The Repubs are going to lose big with the Unaffiliateds.  This is based on two days of canvassing where a)the voter had done a mail ballot, and b) had signs or other indicators of party preference in the yard or on the property.  A total of eight voters met the criteria.  All had Dem signs.  Not one Repub.

    Now, I’ll grant you, eight isn’t a huge sample, but the fact that ALL were Dem makes up for lack of sample size to some degree.

    Unlike yesterday’s precincts, there were lots of yard signs.  I’d say the preponderance went to the Dems.

    I’m not saying these things because I’m a Dem and hoo-ray, go my team.  I think that they are reasonable observations.  If the coattail effect holds true, Gordon and Kennedy might be swept along.

    More tomorrow!

    1. Hate to burst your bubble… but you’re probably doing targeted walking.  If so, that means that the people you are visited have all committed to voting for Democratic candidates.  If they aren’t sure who they are voting for, they won’t be on your list.  No one in their right mind wastes time trying to persuade voters who are still undecided the weekend before an election via one-to-one contact.  That stuff gets done from maybe July (or earlier) through early October.  Right now, the game is about finding as many people as possible who have already expressed a decision in favor of your candidate, and making sure their vote is counted.

      That’s not to say that democratic candidates won’t win big in the unaffiliated vote.  They will.  Just that your poll is about as biased as possible.  If you talk to anyone who says they will vote straight Republican, then someone screwed up with the organizing party (assuming they are a left-leaning group, as you say).

      1. The ONLY common denominator was being registered as Unaffiliated. That means some are left leaning, some are right leaning, and some just lean.

        There is no reasonable way to find the left leaning Unaffiliateds without phone or in person survey.  And then, if they were leaning left, why go after the choir?

        I ran across two who say they will not vote.  Definitely Unaffiliated.

        Yes, there has a been a huge amount of money spent on this.  I learned today that every household on the list has been visited four times previously through the fall!  So, my estimate of labor + printing + other costs of $1 per household is now at $4.  I’m sure the brains behind this understand the demographics and find the expense justifiable. 

        So, rest assured, my sampling is 100% valid, even if small.

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