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(R) Greg Lopez
(R) Trisha Calvarese
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(D) Joe Biden*
(R) Donald Trump
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(D) Adam Frisch
(R) Jeff Hurd
(R) Ron Hanks
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(R) Deborah Flora
(R) J. Sonnenberg
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CO-05 (Colorado Springs)
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(R) Dave Williams
(R) Jeff Crank
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CO-06 (Aurora)
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(D) Jason Crow*
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CO-07 (Jefferson County)
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(D) Brittany Pettersen
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CO-08 (Northern Colo.)
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(D) Yadira Caraveo
(R) Gabe Evans
(R) Janak Joshi
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DEMOCRATS
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October 03, 2011 04:50 PM UTC
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The ‘Show Me Blogger’.
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don’t let these willfully ignorant lying GOTPrs spew their crap with no recourse or consequences. AGOP consistently makes bilious statements, drops ’em like turds in a punchbowl, and then cowardly never backs them up.
If AGOP doesn’t want to answer then everyone should just ignore his posts. AGOP to get under your skin — so why respond to him, ever?
At least a few.
Voter fraud is a bad thing whether it actually happens or not. Typical morally bankrupt liberal thinking a bad thing is OK.
The mere threat of something that is a bad thing–fictitious or otherwise–is enough to scare millions of voters into staying home, believing that another Colorado election has been stolen by Chicago union gangsters and Saul Alinsky. By disenfranchising voters, Sect. Gessler is expanding and strengthening the franchise. And that is doubleplusgood!
Thanks for the post all to myself. I feel special!
First of all, we’re not talking about the only chance these people will get to vote. These are inactive voters who missed the 2010 general elections. They were sent multiple post cards with clear instructions for resolving their status. In some cases, such as soldiers in counties that were actually ON THE BALL unlike Pueblo, they also received emails and phone calls.
Despite all of these attempts to contact these voters to confirm they are still at the address listed, they have not responded. If ballots are sent to these addresses, they may well arrive at addresses at which the voter no longer resides. They may arrive at addresses where the voter doesn’t care any more. In either case you’ve now got a ballot floating out there that can be returned and counted, even if it was not completed by the intended recipient.
So no, they should not receive a ballot. This was the intent of the law as written. In addition, El Paso County reports that fewer than “1 in 1000” inactive ballots sent were actually returned. That is not a rate of response that justfies the expense of sending these ballots incurred by the clerks. This is why the clerks support the law as written.
Don’t take my word for it: DEMOCRAT Boulder Clerk Hillary Hall: http://www.dailycamera.com/gue…
Democrat Hillary Hall: disenfrachising voters too? Oh no!!
Here is what you need to face up to. This is not disenfrachisement. This is an attempt to enforce uniformity and fairness for ALL voters in Colorado, not just liberals in Denver. The law doesn’t allow ballots to be sent to inactive voters. Inactive voters can easily fix this issue and vote. There is no violation of federal or state law, except by counties who are trying to wrongly send these ballots.
Please find another scandal to smear Gessler with. You were probably on better footing with the dunk tank. This is silly and you are going to lose.
Sorry, Arap, that’s a flat-out lie. Pueblo went to the same efforts as other counties to contact soldiers on the inactive list. The clerk also wanted to mail ballots, as his attorney says federal law requires. You’ve got a problem with that?
What the SoS office says. Whose word against whose?
would the SoS office know what Ortiz did unless it asked him, and it didn’t. You can call the Pueblo clerk’s office yourself and find out the extent of voter contact with inactive military voters. That was a red herring Gessler’s office threw out without having its facts straight, and it’s not surprising you took the bait.
Is that because El Paso County voters fail at citizenship? That’s a serious charge you’re leveling, Arap, but there’s some support for it. About 1 in 7 inactive-failed-to-vote voters returned ballots in the Denver municipal elections. Does that make them 150 times as patriotic as El Paso residents? If you say so …
I am simply repeating what El Paso County Clerk Wayne Williams told the Pueblo Chieftain. You’re the one drawing conclusions. BTW, where’s your source?
You still haven’t answered my question, and I get to ask one now that you’ve given me my own post to do it in. If Gessler’s order is so bad and partisan, why does Democrat clerk Hillary Hall agree with him? Why did she defend him in a guest op ed this weekend?
No more responding to your multiple spam replies until you answer that question. I can play that game too.
These are honest disagreements with what you’ve posted, and your respect for this conversation mirrors your respect for voters who didn’t happen to vote in a non-presidential year.
Hillary Hall has her opinion. The fact that she’s a Democrat should mean no more than that the Republican clerk in Mesa agrees with Ortiz and Johnson.
My source is the voter reports filed by Denver after the municipal election and the statements of the Denver clerk, who tallied the inactive response rate. I’d say that trumps the off-hand remark by the El Paso clerk.
I’ll look into what Williams said. Any number of explanations.
I appreciate that you finally admit that a Democrat has come to the same conclusion as Scott Gessler. Can you take the next step and admit there is a possibility Gessler is interpreting the law as he sees it, and not trying to suppress the vote, not thumbing his nose at federal law and soldiers??? That maybe, just maybe, Gessler is DOING HIS JOB?
That’s what Hillary Hall says, isn’t it?
his job is to disenfranchise as many voters as he can. That is the ONLY way the the corporate royalty of this nation can maintain the system that allows them to routinely steal billions from the American people.
It is clear to me that the only way you are going to have this country the way you want it is for some redneck like Rick Perry or Sarah Palin to become our monarch and institute martial law. Then you can round up all the black, brown, and redskinned subversives; all the long hairs and gays, all the liberated women and anyone else with a brain and lock us all up.
Then you can live in a country that competes for jobs on an equal level with, say, Myanmar. I hope you will enjoy working for $4.00 a day.
Arguing with you is like mud-wrestling with a pig. After a while you realize that the pig really enjoys it.
Except for the federal law that requires ballots be sent to registered military-overseas voters and doesn’t recognize distinctions that only a handful of states make that call some of them “inactive.” You might want to check the law, Arap, before you lean on it, because it doesn’t support your position.
Are not being disenfranchised. You can update your status at GoVoteColorado in a few minutes. Alternatively, they can call the clerk and take care of it on the phone.
Especially given the publicity, I doubt that any of those “64 soldiers” will not get every chance to fix their status. The SoS opinion is that those ballots are the same as any other in Colorado. Tell it to the judge.
entirely, which is that federal law requires ballots be sent to overseas military voters regardless of what piddling distinctions a few states might make in their registration status.
You can keep repeating what all the obstacles are to these soldiers voting, you’re just making the case that Gessler’s ruling is onerous and needless. But the ultimate authority is the law, and Gessler is on the wrong side of it.
I am sure soldiers in a war zone have other things on their mind that to follow the foibles of the Secretary of State.
When I was in the service, it was during peacetime and I rarely ever paid attention to the news back home (only led to homesickness). And I would consider myself a higher than average politically aware person, even back then. I doubt most of the soldiers in war zones even realize there is an election next month.
The law states that ballots MUST be sent to ACTIVE voters. It is silent on inactive voters.
Gessler inferred legislative intent. However, the legislators who sponsored the law were queried about this and said that Gessler’s reading is inaccurate.
She said a postcard was mailed one time to those who did not vote in Nov 2010, and it was mailed in January. Not multiple attempts, not emails, not phone calls.
And now we see on the front page that the SOS website failed today.
Keep trying, though, AGOP – surely you’re convincing someone . . .
She’s all in favor of anything that reduces the number of ballots they have to count. She’s not support Gessler as a Democrat, she’s supporting him to make her job easier.
Stick to what you know David. Boulder’s Clerk is neither of what you claim.
It is easy to take shots at electeds when you sit in your safe, little cozy CEO seat, but your bitching and whining shows how ignorant you are on most public policy issues you bitch and whine about.
Unless you’ve spoken to Clerk Hall and she’s said that she supports Gessler to make her job easier, you should probably shut up before you look even more stupid than you already do.
There’s a reason they’re generally last to report results each election. (You’re also wrong about my “CEO seat.”)
That’s great Dave.
You claimed Clerk Hall is lazy and incompetent and you base this off of your extensive knowledge of Title 1 election law, I’m sure. You also claim that she is making statements and acting in collusion with Gessler.
You have no factual basis to make these claims, just like ArapaGOP, BJ and Libertad. Do you have proof to back up your accusation? If not, STFU.
So I may be wrong about your cushy armchair quarterback position.
You’re not an elected official, let alone a County Clerk. So it’s likely you’re wrong too.
You said:
Do you know this is true? I feel like Aristotle harping on ArapGOP about his fraud claims – back up your words or apologize for making false statements about Clerk Hall.
And if you think the CEO of a start-up is a “cushy armchair quarterback position,” you’re totally clueless about the start-up world.
As to why she’s supporting Gessler today, no I do not know specifically why she is (nor do you). Just as you don’t know why Gessler is taking the position he is in this case.
But just as it’s reasonable to make assumptions as to Gessler’s motivations based on his past, I think it’s fair to make assumptions about Hillary Hall based on her past.
Maybe we’re both wrong. Maybe Gessler is taking this stand from pure intentions, and so is Hillary Hall. Could be, but I doubt it.
I know very little about the startup world, I admit that.
Maybe, if you admitted you knew very little about running elections, I’d stop razzing you.
Maybe.
But I do understand comparing the final result. Boulder County election counting has consistently been a mess, under both Salas and Hall.
It’s not worth my time to discuss this with you.
But guess DT would rather haver her certify an election w/o a full count.
What’s the beef DT? HH ever cause you grief? Nope, ya just wanna toss out inane opinions with no fact? No better thanone of the resident GOTPrs here.
And if that requires days more than any other county, then yes take those additional days. But I would prefer accuracy and efficiency.
No HH has never caused me grief. I just dislike incompetence in elected officials.
or am I just pullin’ that outta my azz? If it was a fact I should be able to back it up. As for Hillary Hall, there are facts contravening DTs opinion. A quick search thru the DailyCam archives would prove him wrong.
Perhaps DT remembers wrong? Is DT confusing Salas and the ’04 election results fiasco? That’s when it took Boulder County about a week to verify results. But we don’t know ’cause DT just dumped & ran.
Ya know, things have pretty much gone just as Hillary committed to when she first ran in ’04 — she committed to transparency and accuracy. Yeah, Hall is a proponent of a paper-based system for elections and that’s what we have in Boulder County. And yeah it takes time & effort to count and recount those ballots but that’s all in the interest of accuracy
But for DT to assert that Hall’s office does anything to disenfranchise votes or to turn away votes without backing it up is pretty incompetent and lazy.
Surely you an do better DT … otherwise your red is starting to show. How about a Perry/Palin ’12 sticker for that new Leaf?
But Hall hasn’t been much better. Boulder is almost always last to report results. And Boulder does have a computer system where it scans the ballots.
I do not think Hall tries to disenfranchise or turn away voters. But I also don’t think she’s interested in putting in additional effort.
And why is it if one finds fault with a Democratic office-holder that means they’re a Republican? Are we supposed to pretend all the Dems we elect are perfect?
the effort should be toward accuracy.
But I would like to see reasonable efficiency too.
You didn’t show me that any fraud has happened because of a ballot being mailed to an “inactive” voter.
You haven’t explained why the expense is even a consideration, let alone demonstrated that it’s so bad. (What’s the dollar value of that one vote in 1000?)
You’ve found a Democratic county clerk who apparently agrees with Gessler’s reading of the law, but then use the insulting “Democrat” noun-in-place-of-adjective epithet. Guess you can’t resist even when one’s on your side, can you?
Your source for showing that voters here in Colorado have half a chance to still participate was an editorial – sorry, but ALL editorials are bullshit. This author’s status as an elected Democrat doesn’t make it right. (Did you know, conservatives can win elections in places like Boulder by registering as Democrats? Not saying that’s the case, but if you thought I’d just roll over for this person because he’s a Boulder Dem, you were mistaken.
Finally, you aren’t explaining why this is right. And you’ve conveniently sidestepped the issue of military and absentee voters, who will be SOL as far as I can tell. Is that worth the savings? (And how much is that savings, anyway? Care to guess?)
I have to say that you’ve failed to meet the challenge.
It’s the opinion of a DemocratIC county clerk who investigated the matter with her attorneys. All I am saying is there are reasonable people who disagree, including Democrats, so there is a chance Gessler is not the evil vote suppressing bastard you think he is. Ok? Can you stop hyperventilating long enough to concede that?
… why should I concede that?
Given that you won’t admit that there are no alleged cases of voter fraud related to ballots mailed to inactive voters, it takes some nerve to make a demand like that.
and his ilk have in abundance…nerve. Logic…no, reasonableness…no,compassion.. no, fairness…no, honesty…no.
They try to compensate with an overload of bullshit and arrogance. It seems to work for them…so far.
I do have a problem with the SoS saying it’s illegal when it’s not.
I would also have a problem with SoS saying clerks have to send ballots to inactive voters.