Weekend Open Thread

“Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism.”

–Hubert Humphrey

50 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. davebarnes says:

    Today (Saturday) is National Lighthouse Day.

  2. JohnInDenver says:

    AP has a story saying "Lamm’s widow, Dottie Lamm, said in a statement the service will be held at 3:30 p.m. Tuesday at Wings Over the Rockies Museum in Denver. The service will also be livestreamed."

  3. MattC says:

    Speaking of delta variant, and the next variant (s) :
    Super spreader event potential

    Lollapalooza (ended- estimated lag 3-9 weeks)

    Sturgis motorcycle rally (just started)

    Back to school (August)  and school, esp in states where mask and vaccine mandates are illegal

    football (NFL, NCAA) August, September (esp in states where mask and vaccine mandates are illegal)

    MLB esp playoffs , esp FL TX

    State fairs (IA, IN, MN, MS, ND, SC)

    Oktoberfest (OH) Musicfest (PA)  Neptune fest (VA)   

    FEMA and CDC could partner now and decide which get assistance and which get nothing.  My vote would be those that take recommended preventive measures get help and those who do no not take recommended preventive measures get the refrigerated trucks if needed.


    I hope all the prevention remains apparently pointless. I also hope that if the first 616,000 US deaths and 36,000,000 cases have taught us anything, it is that best practice based on science does not care what you believe or wish would be true.


    • MattC says:

      of course I am also hopeful that a lot of people will realize human caused climate change can occur faster than humans can adjust.
      If the AMOC (aka Gulf Stream)  stops doing what it does – it might help to remember that London is further north than Calgary.



      I also hope it snows, a lot, in the American and Colorado river basins. Right away. A few solid days of solid rain in and around Lassen Volcanic National Park would be ok. Soon.  
      Though I fear the precipitation would be widely misinterpreted as proving no need to alter how humans do what we do, I hope it falls anyway.

      Of course, I hope the criminals and criminal conspiracies of January 6, 2021 are convicted and sentenced harshly.
      And, of course, now that US Women have beaten Serbia on both courts, I hope they can beat Brazil and <France or Japan> to win the gold

  4. MichaelBowman says:

    I’m guessing this same crowd would have been egging Reagan on to fire the air traffic controllers who refused an executive order? 

    • MichaelBowman says:

      The Murder of the U.S. Middle Class Began 40 Years Ago This Week

      PATCO was dominated by Vietnam War-era veterans who’d learned air traffic control in the military and were one of a vanishingly small number of unions to endorse Reagan in 1980, thereby scoring one of the greatest own goals in political history. It’s easy to imagine strikers expressing the same sentiments as a Trump voter who famously lamented, “I thought he was going to do good things. He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.”

      • kwtree says:

        Reagan also implemented the  “Windfall Elimination Provision”, which gave tax cuts for the wealthiest individuals,  balanced by stealing half of the social security benefits earned by public employee retirees. 

        In practical terms, half of my $800 social security benefit disappears every month because of a decision Ronald Reagan made 40 years ago. Every Congress since, bills to repeal the WEP and its companion theft of spousal survivor income, the Government Pension Offset , are introduced. This year, Congressman Richard Neal is carrying on the crusade. Elizabeth Warren supports repeal. Maybe it will finally happen. 

        • The realist says:

          I don't have a clue what I should be getting in social security benefits, but I know I'm only getting a fraction. 

          • kwtree says:

            If you had years of social security earning jobs that you’re not getting your benefits for because of the Reagan Steal, you can create an account at SSA.gov and find out the damage. 

            • MichaelBowman says:

              #TrickleDown has made billionaires out of millionaires and turned the working class into the working poor. 

              Don’t forget that we also lost The Fairness Doctrine under RonnyRayGun, paving the way for Fox News. 

              • gertie97 says:

                The Fairness Doctrine did not apply to cable, only to over-the-air television and radio that required a federal license to use the broadcast spectrum.

                It did apply to radio stations who carried the talk shows. After Reagan ended it, Rush Limbaugh was free to air his bilge nationwide.

              • Dano says:

                Interesting that you bring up the Fairness Doctrine. I am a publisher and my company has a novel coming out in Oct. written by a reporter and is about the change is news coverage at that time. It’s quite a fun read….oh he also tries to catch a serial arsonist. The book can be ordered now at a discount: https://www.dxvaros.com/runaway-train-presales

            • Blackie says:

              I've worked both SSA jobs and Railroad Retirement Board jobs, when I became disabled at age 60, I not only lost my ability to work, but also about $3000 a month in income. And that is because SSA figured I didn't need that extra money.

      • MichaelBowman says:

        Oh Qaren, you'll die in a pile of plastic tubes before the shell casings are even an issue.  

        God America needs a reboot. 

    • kwtree says:

      Wtf is wrong with the  DPD? One would think a police officer, exposed to god knows what emanating from god knows who, would of course want to be protected as much as possible, and vaxxed to the max.

      And the general public encountering a police officer should be assured that, among other things, the officer is not carelessly spreading a deadly disease. 

      Guess I’ll leave it to the resident cop whisperers to explain that one. 


    • Diogenesdemar says:

      Dear DPU . . .

      . . . 57% of your members still remain unvaccinated human petri dishes???  That single ugly fact, all by itself, is pretty solid refutation to your claim that your members (or their leadership) “should be trusted to make their own decisions,” don’t you think?

      . . . those are Alabama TtumpublicanKlan numbers . . . 


    • spaceman2021 says:

      You mean trust all the cops that have caused Denver to have to pay out millions in lawsuit settlements?  Yeah, I'll get right on that "trust."


      • Voyageur says:

        Or should we trust those "peaceful" protesters who set the fires and did more than a million in damage at the state Capitol last year?

        Or the BLM supporter in Aurora who fired at a motorist, missed, and wounded another protester?

        • spaceman2021 says:

          Okay, V-ger.  All cops are great.  All police unions are great.  There’s no civil rights violations ever by cops.  Cops never lie on the stand or mistreat anyone.  And Denver didn’t spend millions to settle lawsuits due to police misconduct. And today is international curmudgeon denial day.

          • Voyageur says:

            I thought today was the day Spacey and his fellow cop haters celebrated the 100 cops a year killed in the line of duty by your clients.  Tell me, are you happy with Trump now that his folks have started killing cops too?

            Hey, how did that “defund the cops” thing work out for you uberlefties in New York and Ohio? Oh, you lost to moderate black candidates? Surely, they were racists!

            And pay no mind to kwtrees whining.  She has been down on cops since they busted her son in law for drunk driving. Thereby proving that those blood alcohol tests are racist and biased.

            She will also shriek that I brought up her son in law, but she attacked first — and mine didn’t break the law, he enforced it.

            • kwtree says:

              It is pretty much unforgiveable, as were your attacks on me about my past as a domestic abuse survivor- however, in 8 years of reading this blog, I have never seen you admit a fault or apologize. And don’t expect that now. I just figure you have mental health and misdirected rage issues, that have nothing to  do with me. 

              Btw, white guy, same age, same BAC, no priors, no injuries while DUI, gets fines, fees, mandatory classes and has to blow into a device to drive his car for a year. Keeps job, stays with family. 

              Black guy, same all of the above plus 6 months in jail, loses job, separated from family. Judge in question has track record of biased decisions. QE D.

              Happy ending: former drunk S i L released from jail due to rampant COVID, gets sober, still sober, completes all court requirements, works his ass off to support family of ( now) four, happily married, promoted at work,  buys house in burbs.

              Isn’t your son in law still living in your basement?


              • Voyageur says:

                Wrong as usual.  My son-in-law was living in his dad’s six bedroom spartment– and paying rent there.  My house is zoned multi-family and my daughter and my grandkids were living with us on the second and third floor when my daughter married him.  He always insisted on paying rent with his dad.  Because of my daughter’s disability, child care was much easier living under our roof so he moved in with us — and pays us rent.  He also pays my daughter’s student loans.

                Good that your son in law is straightening out his life.  That judge who you hate may have saved his life by releasing him in the COVID crisis.

            • JohnInDenver says:

              "Cops killed in the line of duty" is a bit ambiguous.  Different organizations come up with different counts, including and excluding different causes.  For example, Wikipedia summarizes 2018:  "The Officer Down Memorial Page reports 150 deaths in the line of duty.[22] The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund counted 144 federal, state, local, tribal and territorial officers killed. The FBI, however, reported 106 deaths in the line of duty."

              Most years, there are someplace around 50 officers killed by gunfire – some ambushed, some killed in shootouts, and a few killed by "accident."

              Washington Post is tracking police shootings since 2015 … "Over the past six years, officers have fatally shot more than 6,400 people, an average of nearly a thousand a year, or almost three each day." 


              • Voyageur says:

                The 50 or so cops killed by gunfire each years are pretty much all deliberate murder.  Another 50 or so are just directing traffic when hit by a drunk driver.  They are still dead and still killed by criminals.

                Even the Washington Post admits that with tens of millions of contacts every year between 800,000 cops and 330 million residents, a thousand shootings a years is a small share of tens of millions of contacts between cops and members of the public, good and bad.  And more than 90 percent of those contacts that result on shootings involve armed suspects.  

                No, cops aren’t perfect.  But neither are criminals, who are the real threat to the law abiding.


                Washington post reports 20,000 gun homicides in 2020, plus 24,000 gun suicides.
                Houston, we have a problem. And, no, it ain’t primarily with the cops.

                • JohnInDenver says:

                  Washington Post database has 6482 police shootings.  59% (3803) of victims had a gun [and reading the descriptions, sometimes the gun was actually in sight or shot during the course of the event].  Even if you add in all the "unknown" weapons and "other" cases, the DB gets up to 70%. 

                  The vast number of contacts work both ways … fortunately for everyone, nearly all do not involve shooting from either side.  Neither side is blameless. But a 20 to 1 ratio is noticeable. 

        • Diogenesdemar says:

          I’m sorry, but the judges were only able to award you nothing higher than an 8.65 on that tirade — you completely failed to include the requisite “dirty hippies” attack skill in your routine attempt . . .

          . . . you did however earn the maximum points award possible on the Failure to Distinguish Between the General and the Specific portion of your routine!

      • kwtree says:

        Spacey, there is no reasoning with V on the subject of police misconduct. He will always take your opinions and factual examples as a direct assault on his cop son-in law, and mire you in endless what-about-ism and  fallacies that escalate quickly to nasty personal insults. 

        In case you hadn’t noticed.

        But I’m interested in the lawsuit stats- how much did DPD pay out to victims lately?

        Found the lawsuit info.  About 21 million total just 2004-2019.38 excessive force incidents on the street and in custody.

        • spaceman2021 says:

          Between 2004-2017, Denver paid out about $28 million I think.  But if I recall, the amount has been increasing in recent years.  And I have noticed that about V, though I tend to take it with a grain of salt as I've dealt with enough lying bad cops in my career to know that there are a lot of people with badges that shouldn't have them. 

  5. davebarnes says:

    Today (Sunday) is International Cat Day

  6. Genghis says:

    Among the wealthier nations, the U.S. has the worst health care at the highest cost. For the 17th consecutive year. The only plausible way of improving those numbers is factoring in a bunch of what that one old incontinent fat guy was fond of referring to as "shithole countries."


    Fuck yeah.

  7. MichaelBowman says:

    Maybe Moddy can drop by and Foxsplain this to us? 

  8. Diogenesdemar says:

    Breaking: . . .

    . . . Republican Governor says being a stupid dipshit “was an error.”


    Mr. Hutchinson signed the bill banning mask mandates in April, and he had been working to modify it in the wake of rising case counts and outbreaks at schools. But the state legislature has declined to take up the new legislation.

    “Ooopsy . . .”

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