Wednesday Open Thread

“Skepticism, while it makes no actual change in man, always makes him feel better.”

–Ambrose Bierce

41 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. davebarnes says:

    Today is  National Pfeffernusse Day

  2. kickshot says:

    Dear President Assclown:

    I know that you like Hannity but get your head outta your ass and sign the damn bills.

  3. RepealAndReplace says:

    So much winning!

  4. MichaelBowman says:

    Imagine that you’d gone into a coma in 2015 and just woke up today? (not CO news but I’m sure he’s sold a few pillows here) 

    On Twitter, Mike Lindell Calls For Martial Law To Be Declared In Minnesota

    MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell tweeted to President Donald Trump Saturday night, calling for martial law to be declared in Minnesota so Trump can obtain the state’s ballots and, evidently, overturn the results of the election.

    • Diogenesdemar says:

      Someday, I have no doubt, scientists will have completed studies which show that the most severe forms of permanent brain-damage to humans on this planet are definitely attributable to, in no particular order, . . .

      – Twitter

      – Appearing in your own company’s commercials and advertisements 

      – Inhaling the toxic fumes given off from the fill in MyPillows

      (. . . long-term crack cocaine addiction, and repeatedly claiming to hear dog’s voice, appear further down the list as being “likely contributing factors.”)

    • kwtree says:

      I would probably never have bought a MyPillow anyway ( crap product for the $$) , but now never will. Another one that won’t be getting my business this holiday season: Overstock, which I have patronized in the past. Goya, of course. HomeDepot is 50-50; of 2 CEOs, one is pro-Trump, the other anti. But Home Depot has a compassionate family leave policy during Covid, which counts, too. 

      Instead of Walmart, I patronize Target or Costco because of better worker environments. Instead of Whole Foods, Sprouts, Natural Grocers, or Trader Joe’s, for the same reasons. 

      Here are some lists of political companies –  right wing and lefties. Stock traders now categorize companies as “ESG” ( ethical / environmental,  social/governance).  In general, if one patronizes small, local businesses that are struggling anyway, we’ll be on the side of the angels. 

      • kickshot says:

        Is Amazon on the naughty or nice list?

      • MichaelBowman says:

        Thanks for those links Kim.  A decade ago now during my 2010 state senate run we had a community meeting in Lamar where we talked about how we might come up with creative ideas for the downtown merchants to link with the emerging giants.  We came up with an idea to create a hometown sub-network to work with the Amazon’s of the world.  In Lamar’s case (would work in any city) if you were a resident (or someone who grew up there and wanted to support local business) it would route it through a business that was already carrying something you intended to buy online. They’d get some small fraction of the transaction – but as you know it doesn’t take much to significantly improve the sustainability of a small mom-and-pop or mom-and-mom or pop-and-pop store.  They’re important to the fabric of our small towns.

        The election came-and-went, Amazon and Wal-Mart dominate our local commerce in a way we could never have imagined then.  I would rather not use the old cliche that our main street businesses are suffering – they are – but it frustrates me there are so many neat local stores in NE Colorado that could really benefit from new kinds of partnerships.  In most cases they have their heads down, just trying to survive. It leaves little bandwidth to ponder how they could thrive


        • kwtree says:

          It’s true- and in my experience, it’s a generational thing. Younger folks are on their phones 24-7 for socializing, shopping, and entertainment, while older folks tend to get isolated because they rely, or relied, on face to face and TV for those things. 

          Young people desperately need the validation of respectful interaction  and to be paid and valued by getting jobs in local businesses. But the jobs aren’t there because the gigantic and online stores have siphoned off all the business. And older folks miss their social interactions, too, in COVID times. or they insist on maintaining the coffee shop get together or bar hangouts in defiance of the danger, and some will be infected. I know you know about that!

          Some kind of simple networking scheme like they proposed in Lamar could meet both kinds of needs. We have that to some extent in the many neighborhood Facebook or other online groups : “___________ (community name) buy and sell”. Nowadays, those small town message boards have been often taken over by hard right groups, like the recallPolis folks. But like anything else, it’s all about who steps up and who sets and keeps the ground rules. 

          Maybe whomever leads small business agencies at the state and federal levels will find ways to connect consumers with products. It would be pure capitalism, so the anti-socialists couldn’t complain – much. 

          • The realist says:

            A group on Facebook called Fremont First has been interesting to watch. It was created only in mid-November, now has nearly 900 members, and is dedicated to information-sharing about local businesses in Fremont County. Shop owners post photos and information about what they have, customers ask "does anyone in Fremont County have . . . ," and others help connect shoppers to products. It appears to be doing fairly well in connecting local independent businesses to customers. 

      • MADCO says:

        not nice-

        Bezos could bonus every employee $105,000 and his net worth would be today what it was 10 months ago.

  5. MichaelBowman says:

    I know Duke will be shocked! (I like my showers hot and my beer cold, but we have lots of ways to do that…

    These ladies love natural gas! Too bad they aren’t real.

    The website Women for Natural Gas is a pink-tinged, fancy-cursive-drenched love letter to the oil and gas industry. A prominently featured promo video shows women in hard hats and on rig sites. “Who’s powering the world? We are!” enthuses the narrator. Viewers can click through to a “Herstory” timeline of women working in the oil sector. Another page, about the group’s grassroots network of supporters, announces, “We are women for natural gas,” and shows three professionally dressed ladies alongside their testimonials. There’s a Carey White gushing, “The abundance of oil and gas in Texas helps keep prices at the pump lower.” One Rebecca Washington raves, “Natural gas is a safe, reliable source of energy that provides countless numbers of jobs.”

    But there’s a catch: The women don’t exist.

  6. RepealAndReplace says:

    Here's one way of solving the problem…..

    Opinion | Will Trump Force Principled Conservatives to Start Their Own Party? I Hope So – The New York Times (

    CHB, Republican 36, call your fellow Never Trumpers and organize your new party.

    • Diogenesdemar says:

      Think they can still get a phone booth for their convention? . . . 

    • MichaelBowman says:

    • ParkHill says:

      Much as we would like them to start the Grand Old Parler Party, and let the GOP move back to moderation, they certainly prefer to ride the momentum of the brand.

      In this era of tribalism and low-information voters, the Republican Brand is worth a LOT to those who have control of the Party machinery.  I don't think you can kick out the Q-anoners when they are such a large part of the Republican base

      • RepealAndReplace says:

        No, it's the other way around. The Never Trumpers need to select a new name.

        The Deplorables and the Irredeemables have irrevocably stained the name of the Party of Lincoln.

    • JohnInDenver says:

      In Colorado, with the Unaffiliated registration at 40% and presumably some of those registered as Democrats and Republicans being disgruntled, there ought to be a market for an alternative political organization. 

      Problem is, all examples of efforts to create new structures have been painfully inept, woefully underfunded in comparison to the D and R groups, and too often have been centered on one person.

      I thought Trump would antagonize more people, triggering a drop in party registrations and a drop in the number of voters backing him.  As best I can tell, so far the Republican registrations have seen a modest decrease in comparison to population growth; self-identified "Republican" voters seem to have been less willing to vote for Trump.  Each of those account for only a couple of percent, and even the combination was more than overwhelmed by the increased participation which boosted Trump's vote to 74.2 million.  So far, I've not seen anything indicating a coalescence of intention, people, talent, and money to form an alternative center-right organization.

      • RepealAndReplace says:

        The way it could work – at least at the national level – is if Susan Collins, Bob Casey, Angus King, Rob Portman, Joe Manchin, Jon Tester, Thurston, Hick, Mittens, Lisa Murkowski, Kyrsten Sinema – announced they would caucus as a third party.

        Murkowski and King have experience getting elected as independents so it might not be such a leap into the unknown.

        You could not start something in the State of Colorado. There are no centrist Republicans since that guy in Grand Junction (Dan Thurlow?) left.

        • kickshot says:

          If the history of the formation of the R party in 1854 is a template then the aforementioned 'luminaries' will have to come together under a theme … in this case anti-fascism/pro-democracy … and they have yet to openly unite for that cause.

          We're years, if not decades, from a new party. It will be independents that increase in number and they will do so as Rs flee their party and the whole political process.

        • ParkHill says:

          I get what you are saying, but the GOP would have to truly split, and (sadly) Trump, Trumpism and the whole RWNJ kleptoverse is holding it together.

          If Collins, et al were to split away, a right-winger would just come in, grab the Republican name and brand, and Collins would be toast. Well, probably the sacrificial RWNJ would also be toast, and the Democrats would win.

          Not that there's anything wrong with that, and here's hoping that actually comes to pass. But, I don't see your scenario being at all rosy for the future of a moderate Party.

        • ParkHill says:

          To take your analysis further, you have Party voting blocs and US demographics against you. Who does the Republican Party consist of?

          White Evangelicals, White Southerners, White Rural Fox News consumers, White Business owners, White Gun Nuts, White Nazis.

          The only way your strategy works is if the DEMOCRATIC Party is the one that splits. Susan Collins is not that moderate (anti abortion, big business, McConnell-wing, and Trump supporter). The only moderate "republicans" I see come from the business wing of the Democratic Party, i.e. Hickenlooper, Bennet, all of whom you list.

  7. kickshot says:

    Dump vetoes NDAA

    Congress will have to vote again if they want to override.

  8. kickshot says:

    Great NYT story for the season:

    It’s Peak Season for Tamales in Los Angeles

    A transplant asks: Where does one find fantastic tamales around Denver?

    The blue corn/braised bison tamales sounded especially tasty!!!!

  9. Diogenesdemar says:

    “I’ll see your war criminals and lying sycophants . . .

    . . . and raise you, lemme’ see, umm, the parents of balloon boy.”

    ???? . . . oy vey!

  10. MichaelBowman says:

    Looks like we have a #SuperSpreader event on the horizon. 

    Do you suppose they'll surround Pence's plane, too? 

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