Weekend Open Thread

“They’re always sticking their emotions in things that have no emotions.”

–J. D. Salinger

32 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. davebarnes says:

    Today is National Chocolate Milkshake Day

  2. Voyageur says:

    Tune: Ruby, don’t take your love to town


    You buried your whole face in Putin’s underwear.

    Oh Rudy, Russia’s stink must be more than you can bear.

    You betrayed us all to help elect that feeble-minded chump.

    Oh Rudy, don’t kiss the rump of Trump.

    It wasn’t me who voted for North Korea’s orange lap dog.

    You spread commie propaganda in the internet’s vile fog.

    In 52 more days we’ll all vote to send you losers off to jail.

    Oh Rudy, you’re just an epic fail.

    • kwtree says:

      Re: Rudy

      Rudy gets lots of practice spinning and lying in an interview by AMJOY guest host Jonathan Capeheart today. Apparently Rudy thought that Capeheart, as a polite gay person, would go easy on him. Nope.

      Capeheart asks, “What happened to you? Why is a person of your stature spinning conspiracy theories and interfering with an election?”

      After Giulani says that he “interviewed”, but didn’t work with, Russian agent Derkach, refused to say if he communicated with Donald Trump, and that Lev Parnas lied about all of the above.

      Then, Capeheart brought on Lev Parnas and his lawyer to refute Rudy.

      It was great TV, and a gobsmacking demonstration of how someone blatantly lies and betrays his country, and gets exposed by a competent journalist.

  3. JohnInDenver says:

    Should anyone need a review of Trump's Regime:  McSweeney's Internet Tendency has an on-going list

    Lest We Forget the Horrors: A Catalog of Trump’s Worst Cruelties, Collusions, Corruptions, and Crimes

    Brought up through August, 2020, the list is 889 items long.  The last, August 31,2020: "In defending police officers, Trump said they can make mistakes in using deadly force in the same way golfers sometimes miss putts."

    • spaceman65 says:

      Except a touring pro will lose his tour card if he misses putts.  Bad cops, nah, they just stay on the force for the most part.  "Some of those that work forces . . . ."

      • Voyageur says:

        The other difference is that a golfer who mishandles a putt knows he won't die because of his mistake.  A cop in a difficult situation has no such assurance.  More than 100 cops were killed in the line of duty last year.

        • JohnInDenver says:

          Policing is a difficult job. 

          But "killed in the line of duty" includes all sorts of things, from violence from those they interact with, to "friendly fire," to car crashes and job-related illness.

          Nix and Sierra-Arévalo analyzed fatal and non-fatal shootings of police officers between 2014 and 2019. The analysis relies on data from the Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit that tracks shootings through media and police reports. During the study period, 1,467 local and state law enforcement officers were shot in 1,185 incidents, 249 of which were fatal. That works out to, on average, 245 officers shot per year, 42 of them fatally. The study excludes federal officers, corrections officers, and shootings of officers by colleagues. 

          Nix and Sierra-Arévalo observed a spike in firearm assaults against officers in 2016, but did not find a sustained increase over the six-year period of their survey.

          • Voyageur says:

            Whether you're murdered by a cop-hating psycho a la Dallas or hit by a drunk driver while directing traffic, you're still dead.  I might ask your study's authors how many professors are killed in the line of duty each year.

            • Conserv. Head Banger says:

              Sorry, VG, but that is an irrelevant comparison. 

              • Voyageur says:

                Hardly.  It speaks very much to the mindset of those back seat drivers who are quick to criticize those brave men and women who put their lives on the line to protect the rest of us.

            • spaceman65 says:

              Yes, cops have tough jobs.  That doesn't explain the overwhelming evidence that people of color are routinely mistreated and killed because of systemic racism in policing.  We can either acknowledge the facts and try to appropriately reform things for the benefit of all, or continue to pretend that there is not an enormous problem with policing in the U.S., including systemic racism, militarization of police, outsized influence of police unions, judicially-created qualified immunity enabling rampant constitutional violations, and the lack of social services resources.

              • Voyageur says:

                In point of fact, there is no evidence of systemic racism in policing.  Yes, the percentage of black men involved in violent incidents with the police is higher than white males.  But that is because black men are equally prone to commit violent crimes.

                Yes, that black crime rate is itself the result of systemic racism because it is rooted in poverty, poor schools and other social ills.  But blaming all that on cops is woefully misguided.  By and large, cops deal with the result of systemic racism but are not the cause.

                As to "qualified" immunity, it's recognized by courts because the U.S. Constitution requires proof of a crime beyond reasonable doubt.  The Constitution doesn't go away just because cop haters don't read it.

                • RepealAndReplace says:

                  Actually, qualified immunity is raised as a defense in civil suits which arise out of alleged police misconduct. 

                • kwtree says:

                  There is evidence of systemic racism in policing.

                  Blacks* are more likely to be arrested, (download pdf) even though they sell and possess hard drugs less than whites do. Black folks tend to possess, sell and use marijuana more often than other drugs, which is why rescheduling cannabis will be a step towards ending racial bias in the justice system.

                  Once arrested, blacks are more likely to be incarcerated, and to serve longer sentences for the same offense.

                  While in police custody, blacks and people of color are 2.8 times more likely to be assaulted by police, although more likely to be unarmed, and to die as a result.

                  This doesn’t include deaths of those in custody in prisons, which is another discussion.

                  So I know how these things go when I engage with you, Voyageur. You’ll take my disagreement with your premise that there is no systemic racism in policing as a personal attack on your son in law, the cop.

                  My son-in-law and grandchild happen to be black.

                  So we could go back and forth – you can insult my intelligence, character, come up with cute nicknames for me, try to enlist R&R or others in character assassination, and we would still not get anywhere – generate lots of dusty smoke, but no light.

                  So let’s cut to the chase – assume you’ve insulted me to your heart’s content, misrepresented my opinions and words, stirred up shit on the blog, said tee-hee a number of times. And there we are. I have other matters to attend to today, so you will have to do that all on your own. 

                  The fact remains that your son-in-law is much more likely to arrest, incarcerate, or injure my son-in-law, not because of criminal activity, but for the crime of driving/walking/existing while black. And your son is more likely to get away with it scot-free.


                  *(and other people of color, as well as mentally ill of all ethnicities) We focus on “Black Lives Matter” because police across the country keep on killing black folks in front of cameras, and getting away with it. As justice reform and questioning bias in policing continues, it will lift all boats, and make everyone safer.

                  • Voyageur says:

                    Once again, flightless bird,you dilute a soupcon of fact with an ocean of self-importance.  You can cheer as your tsunami of hate “lifts all boats” but what happens next is that it dashes them to the rocks.

                    And it was just a few week ago that you reported your son-in-law was in jail for drunk driving. Maybe you should leave the personal insults and specific allegations against real people whom you have never even met out of this.

                  • Voyageur says:

                    Facts about crime, from the FBI (excerpted from Channel Four)

                    It’s true that around 13 per cent of Americans are black, according to the latest estimates from the US Census Bureau.

                    And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white. Homicide is a broader category than “murder” but let’s not split hairs.


                    Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher.

                    As we found yesterday, 93 per cent of black victims were killed by blacks and 84 per cent of white victims were killed by whites.

                    Alternative statistics from the FBI are more up to date but include many crimes where the killer’s race is not recorded. These numbers tell a similar story.

                    In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites. The offender’s race was “unknown” in 29.1 per cent of cases.

                    What about violent crime more generally? FBI arrest rates are one way into this. Over the last three years of data – 2011 to 2013 – 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black.


      • Genghis says:

        "Some of those that work forces . . . ."

        ". . . are the same that burn crosses."

  4. kwtree says:

    Secretary Jena Griswold is suing USPS Postmaster DeJoy for his sending out a deceptive mailer to every voter in the country.

    DeJoy gave instructions for requesting mail in ballots. Registered Colorado voters don't need to request one – we automatically receive one. A We don't need to mail it, and 75% of us use the drop boxes instead. So totally useless as far as Colorado is concerned, and deeply suspect for the rest of the country. A CYA on DeJoy's part (charitable interpretation) – or deliberate deceptionn (most likely interpretation).


    I just found out the @USPS is sending this postcard to every household and PO Box in the nation. For states like Colorado where we send ballots to all voters, the information is not just confusing, it’s WRONG. (Thread) pic.twitter.com/RoTTeJRJVl

    — Jena Griswold (@JenaGriswold) September 12, 2020

    • notaskinnycook says:

      It turned up in our mailbox today, and yeah, it looks just like that; replete with misinformation. Man, they know they have to cheat to win.

    • JohnInDenver says:

      Griswald went to court and the judge granted a temporary restraining order.  Tight timeline of actions until a hearing on Friday for a permanent injunction and potential remedies being ordered. 

      The complaint already said the mailing will cause confusion and an additional mailing would cause more confusion … so I am curious to hear what sort of remedy might be proposed to address the incompetence of the upper leadership of USPS. 

      • harrydoby says:

        There are currently 4 vacancies on the USPS Governing Board. (McConnell withheld confirmations during the Obama years and then stuffed a Trump majority to give them sway in appointing the nearest GOP hack available for the Postmaster position).

        Once Biden wins, and if we get a Senate majority (I know, a big if), with a simple majority (removing the 60 vote requirement, naturally), we could fill the current vacancies and give DeJoy the boot.

        There needs to be a wholesale hosing out of the Executive branch of all the Elephant poop in January.  Fluffy better put on his waterwings!

  5. itlduso says:

    Dispatch from the front:  Driving around Lone Tree this afternoon I spied a lot of cars waving large Trump and/or American flags in a loosely organized "parade" (kind of like a boat parade, only no one got capsized.) 

    Dates when mail-in ballots must be received:  TX – 11/4; GA & NC – 11/6; IA – 11/9; MN & NV – 11/10; OH – 11/13.

    Election Day (and thereafter) is going to be ugly.


    • Duke Cox says:


      There are far too many people in this country who are eager for violence, mostly led by the president.

      Yes, there are violent tendencies in rare spots on the left, but they pale in comparison to the NRAs' thugs, the Moron Militia, and rednecks in general. Luckily I can defend myself and my family. Too many people cannot.

      I wish there were a peaceful way out of this…I think our only hope is an electoral landslide.

  6. davebarnes says:


    The Gun-Toting, Millennial Restaurant Owner Trying to Ride the Covid Backlash to Congress

  7. Honorable Nasty Woman says:

    What phony made up award have you awarded yourself with? 

    I am going to award myself the International Eats Year Old Fruitcake award.

  8. harrydoby says:

    The latest headline: Trump says he’ll ‘negotiate’ for a third term in office.  

    In April 2019, he told a crowd at an event for the Wounded Warrior Project that he might remain in the Oval Office “at least for 10 or 14 years.”

    I'd say more like 20 years to life — at SuperMAX

    • notaskinnycook says:

      He said that to Wounded Warriors (of which my brother-in-law is one)? It’s a wonder they didn’t throw rocks at him. They went where they were told to go and did what they were told to do for the country, not for him. They swear an oath to the Constitution (not the president), in which the 22nd Amendment limits presidents to 2 terms. He can’t be reading the same polls I am (if he can actually read, which is debatable), or he’d know he’ll be lucky to get a second term, much less 3 or 4. Jackass.

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