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October 27, 2010 03:07 PM UTC

Who is the Liar - PPP or ColoradoPols?

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  • by: H-man

A poll was released this week by PPP on the Colorado Senate race.  It found the race tied 47-47. The undecided are largely Republican and the Unaffiliated favor Buck 46 to 44.  I believe the weighing model has the Republicans voting by 1% more than Dems.  

Other than being off on the relative voter turnout which was available to them which is Republicans up by 5%, I don’t find much to argue about with the poll.  My sense is it will translate to a 3% Buck win, but time will tell.

I have been reading for the last few weeks on ColoradoPols about how the wheels have come off the Buck campaign.  Exaggerated and made up stuff or objective reporting?  

In order to figure out which it is I went back to the previous PPP poll which came out earlier in the month.  That poll had Bennet over Buck by 46 to 45.  So it appears Buck has picked up two percent and Bennet one during the last three weeks.  The reliable PPP says Buck has the momentum.

But, what about the all important Unaffiliated?  Surely Bennet’s campaign has been picking up steam with them.  Buck must have been way ahead with them at the beginning of the month, right?

According the Huffington Post on October 5th:

PPP’s latest poll, which surveyed 834 likely voters from September 30 to October 2, shows incumbent Democrat Michael Bennet with a the slightest of leads over Buck, 46-45.

Interestingly, PPP found that moderates, who comprise the majority of unaffiliated voters in Colorado, prefer Bennet by a 24-point margin despite having a generally negative opinion of the freshman senator.

37 percent of self-described moderates surveyed hold a positive opinion of Bennet, while 45 percent view him negatively. Meanwhile, just 27 percent of moderates view Buck in a positive light, compared to 57 percent have a negative opinion of the Weld County DA.

PPP’s Tom Jensen suggests that Buck’s trouble with independent moderates is “the price to pay for Republicans nominating a candidate with limited appeal to the center.”

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…

So, according to the official Pollster of Daily Kos, Buck has gained with independents by double digits in the past three weeks while the unofficial media outlet of Michael Bennet has been claiming Buck is sinking like a rock.  It would follow that Buck has the momentum if you believe PPP.  

I get it.  Now the Dems think Rasmussen is more reliable.  

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27 thoughts on “Who is the Liar – PPP or ColoradoPols?

        1. NPR fired him this week for expressing his views on fox.  The point was liberals are as likely as conservatives to shoot the messanger if they don’t like the message.

          1. I recall this clown now. A couple of things about that.

            First, professionals are expected to maintain the standards that their employers demand. I saw his remarks and they weren’t very professional. It also wasn’t his first time.

            Second, I was talking specifically about Pols. Call it a liberal blog if you want, but unlike Kos, squarestate, or many others, cons like you are welcome to vent your spleens. And here you are, a guest in their house and you just peed on the rug. (Fortunately they can afford a cleaner and not have to get a new rug…)

            Why do you guys always get so defensive that you have to pull some half-baked comparison so that you can say “SEE! You do it too!!!!1!” ?

            1. He more of a moderate who leans right. I love how the entire conservative movement screamed and had vapors over this. In the next breath they went right back to preaching about capitalism and how corporations should have more freedom to make the decisions they need to make. You know, like being able to hire and fire whomever they want?

    1. If, as described by PPP the unaffiliated are made up by a majority of moderates, do you really think Buck gained 20 or more percent in the last three weeks?

      I think Buck has gone down a couple points, not up 20 some percent of moderates as PPP would have you believe or dropped like a stone as ColoradoPols would have you believe.

      Any mistakes that Buck has made have been relatively minor.  Remember the Scooter who wrote the articles?  That was significant.  Gay is a choice, not so significant, particularly when he has a history of sticking up for the LGBT community as a prosecutor.

      1. if you seriously think that gay people and their friends weren’t very offended by his gay choice comparrison to alcoholism. This is one gay person, who thinks buck and anyone defending his stupidity are simply jackasses.

        1. Their big mistake is not that h-man and others don’t realize that gay people are offended.  It’s that as second class citizens, you don’t matter to them.

          The other mistake is thinking it doesn’t offend very many of the non-gay  voters just because it doesn’t offend them.

  1. Or it’s just the sign of stupidity.

    I’m just reporting. You decide.

    Polling requires taking samples of a population. Thus, there is always some amount of error. Good sampling provides for a quantification of this statistical error.

    The results of polling (or any sampling of a population) can disagreement with the results of other polls, even though all were conducted using the most rigorous of statistical tools.

    Indeed, it is more likely than not that every poll will be “wrong” in that their forecasts will not be correct to X decimal points. However, they are useful tools if one understands how to use them.

    To call people liars because poll results are different requires ignorance, stupidity, and/or wrap-around ideological blinders. You decide.

      1. and more scientific-like, they could do a weighted average based on the number of days to the election.  So, like, a poll done 28 days before the election would be weighted four times as much as the one done 7 days before the election.

        1. Polls done more distantly in the past should receive LESS weight. For an example, see Nate Silver at NYTimes/538 as per your link above.

          (In other words, MADCO’s post was an example of snark.)

      2. although tomorrow when he adjusts his prediction upward for Buck you will all quickly reverse course and clammor about him being a shill.  Oh to be A Democrat this year. It reminds me of being a Republican in 2008. The taste of defeat still present, soon be washed down with the sweet nectar of victory.

  2. Of course they’ve had to spin it to try to motivate their base, but you’re definitely right that PPP shows that Buck has the momentum. Same thing happened in the primary.

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