Monday Open Thread

“I think people should be angry at things that are worthy of anger.”

–Chris Hayes


23 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. Conserv. Head Banger says:

    Something came to mind over the weekend regarding the McClain death in Aurora. The cops have been dealt with and rightfully so. But what about the para-medics who came on the scene and injected the strong sedative? Surely, that sedative played a big role in McClain’s heart attack.

    Who are these para-medics and why are they not being held accountable?

    • kickshot says:

      One effect of ketamine is short-term memory loss, i.e. the user loses connection with events while under the influence. It gives you the attention span of a goldfish.

      If McClain had survived would he have been able to reconstruct the events of his arrest for the purposes of testimony?

    • kickshot says:

      Yet another reason for a National Popular Vote or any other means to eliminate the Electoral College.

      Neither Congress nor State Legislatures can legislate behavior. They can only create penalties or rewards for it.

      And SCOTUS cannot mandate behavior either. Rogue is rogue. We'll be back here again.

      • itlduso says:

        Here's another reason to change how we elect our President.  Former CO Senator Tim Wirth and Tom Rogers have penned an op-ed in Newsweek that is truly scary.  They posit a situation where Trump loses the Electoral College, but claims that the Chinese have messed with the voting.  He, along with AG Barr, declares a national emergency to investigate the voting results.  This investigation is not completed by 12/14/20 which is the date that Electors must cast their votes.  The Supreme Court refuses to intervene, so the election goes to the US House of Representatives.  Each state is given one vote depending on the majority party composition of its Congressional delegation.  Today, the GOP has 26 states, the Dems have 23 states, and PA is tied.  All things remaining constant (regardless of PA), Trump wins reelection.  They pointed out that Trump has already begun to set the stage with tweets alleging Chinese interference.

        These guys (Wirth and Rogers) are not whack jobs.

        • notaskinnycooknotaskinnycook says:

          That's just scary, itlduso, but I sure don't put it past him. He's desperate to keep that presidential immunity  Here's the link in case someone hasn't gotten it yet

          • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:


            'TRUMP 2020' car wrecks 16 laps Into Brickyard 400

            It's a big disappointment for LaJoie's Go Fas Racing team … just days before the big event — team owner Archie St. Hilaire had said he was excited as hell to see the ride compete.

            "As a Trump 2020 supporter, this team will do everything possible to secure victory on and off the track electing President Donald Trump to a second term," St. Hilaire said. "Let us bring this country back and Keep America Great!"


        • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

          Not whack jobs, certainly. 

          But a bit sloppy with their research.  There are few states which have their legislature certify electors.  Comment at emptywheel pointed out:

 weighed in on this today. The entire post is long but here’s a key part:

          It’s predicated on factual inaccuracies: For example, step number 6 is “All four swing states have Republican control of both their upper and lower houses of their state legislatures. Those state legislatures refuse to allow any Electoral College slate to be certified until [a] ‘national security’ investigation is complete.” The problem here is that state legislatures in those four states don’t have power to decide whether or not election results are certified. In the four states the authors mention, that power is vested in the governor (PA), the state elections commission (WI), the secretary of state (MI), and the secretary of state in the presence of the governor and state AG (AZ). The AG of Arizona is a Republican, and three of the six election commissioners in Wisconsin are Republicans, but all of the other folks named here are Democrats, and would not be influenced by dubious “investigations.” The four Republicans named probably wouldn’t be either.

    • MADCO says:

      That's a lot of words to explain that faithless electors are a-holes.


  2. Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

    As we watched "CBS this Morning", our custom these days, we can't help notice the stress on Gayle Kings' face and in her voice. The news of the death of Nick Cordero hit her very hard. It got us talking about how difficult it must be to tell these stories.

    Maybe it would be good to salute our other "front line workers"…the members of the fourth estate. The reporters (the good ones) are out there feeling it and putting themselves in danger, but the TV and radio anchors who tell these horrible, heart rending stories need some love, too. Storytellers have hearts, don't they?.

    So here's to the folks on TV, and in the media in general, who suck it up every day and tell us the news. They try to find good news to "fluff" things up, but that is just to soften the blow. My hat is off to you…thank you.

  3. Diogenesdemar says:

    They’re plenty pissed in Moscow . . . 

    So, Donnie came out with his bigly list of yugely great real Americans (even if they weren’t really American) to be honored in his Ttumptastic statue garden — and, he didn’t include himself, Ivanka, Putin, Limbaugh, Hannity, Colonel Sanders, or any MAGAmegadonors?

    . . . Hasn’t Donnie already contributed to the construction of enough marble monuments all over the length and breadth of this great country — with his criminally inept Covid-19 non-response?

  4. MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

    Front page, yesterday’s LA Times.  How to (or not) build resilient, vibrant communities: (it’s a long read so I don’t expect our troll to partake; a really informative analysis)

    Two Midwestern cities. Two local billionaires (Koch and Buffett). Which one can boost prosperity?

    Koch, 84, is the chief executive of Koch Industries and is worth an estimated $48 billion. He’s a notorious political power broker instrumental in steering the Republican Party toward its current minimalist approach to taxes and government services. Tax cuts coupled with spending cuts, his theory goes, goose the economy and attract jobs.

    Buffet, 89, is the CEO of Berkshire Hathaway and is giving most of his $72-billion fortune to philanthropic causes. He champions public services — especially education — as the rising tide that lifts communities, and he believes that taxing the wealthy is the way to pay for those services.

    Buffett believes in partnering with public entities and in following their lead… [a] community that takes care of its most vulnerable members fosters a better life for everyone. 

    “We all want to attract new young people to live in Omaha and make the people who grew up here want to stay,” she said.

    Koch’s philanthropy reflects his belief in “individual empowerment” and “self-actualization,” his spokesman said. 

    In 2008, when aspiring chef Rathbun left town, Kansas — and the other 49 states — were mired in the country’s biggest economic meltdown since the Great Depression. Two years later, Sam Brownback, a Republican, was elected governor, and he quickly started to promote the idea that slashing taxes would attract new businesses, bringing much-needed jobs to Kansas.

    Koch Industries had been pushing for tax relief for years, threatening to leave the state if it didn’t get it, said Steve Morris, a Republican former state Senate president. This time, with the salesmanship of Koch-supported, supply-side economist Arthur Laffer, Brownback delivered. 

    In May 2012, the Kansas Legislature passed the largest tax cuts in the state’s history, eliminating a variety of business taxes, including those on limited liability corporations such as Koch Industries, as well as cutting individual income taxes.

    With the state facing insolvency, in July 2017, Bollier and other moderate Republicans joined Democrats to reverse two-thirds of Brownback’s tax cuts. Bollier later switched parties and is now running for U.S. Senate. If elected, she would join a growing class of Kansas Democratic leaders, including Gov. Laura Kelly and U.S. Rep. Sharice Davids.

    “Koch is what’s wrong with Kansas,” said Bollier. “Kansas Republicans are his willing puppets.”

  5. MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

    Busy day in the West Wing…

    There’s also a Venn Diagram that shows “Support Keeping up Confederate Statues” and “Against changing racist team names” and in the middle is “Voting Trump.”

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