Monday Open Thread

“We can tell our values by looking at our checkbook stubs.”

–Gloria Steinem


36 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. kwtreekwtree says:

    I waited in the “special populations” line at King Soops this morning for the privilege of buying a 12 pack of toilet paper and 3 boxes of tissue. At 6:45, there were already 40 some people waiting. It was a sad sight, reminiscent of soup lines during the depression, or bread and meat ration lines during wars or under hostile occupation. An old guy wearing a Vietnam cap boasted that he had lived through the Hong Kong flu. I congratulated him. 

    I saw many elders, a few pregnant women, and some disabled folks. The manager and store managers came out to greet us and, probably, to keep out any young entrepeneurs looking to hoard or resell. I was really hoping to be “carded” and asked if I was really over 60- but alas, it was not to be.Welcome to the new normal. 

    • MADCO says:

      I don't see how this helps.

      Smaller group in the store at one time – sure.

      But … if older age makes people more likely to get infected, get sick from infection and die from the sickness….  how does clustering by age minimize that?


      • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

        Optimistically, those in line are not "clustering,"  but are maintaining physical distance. 

        Next, it minimizes the likelihood of individuals of that age group needing to make multiple trips because some necessary item has already been stripped from the shelves.

        Finally, the asymptomatic individuals who are still shedding the virus are clustered among the younger, "healthier" population.  Some suggest the 20-30 year olds may have as many as 80% having less severe symptoms than a significant cold or mild flu, and thus may be simply "getting through" the minor inconvenience of coronavirus. 

    • Conserv. Head Banger says:

      What’s sad about the sight? In our society, people just don’t think ahead. My parents were older when I arrived in 1949. They had lived through the Great Depression and World War II. I was raised with notions and ideas to think and plan ahead; use and re-use; recycle; and keep a reasonable stock of stuff.

      I buy this stuff when I begin to run low, not when I’m out: T-P, boxes of tissues, soap-both bars and liquid, hand sanitizer, cleaning fluids, etc. Have ample supplies of all. Also have plenty of cans of soup; frozen entrees; even backpacking freeze dried dinners. When I go to my local King Soops; also a Safeway nearby; I’m just buying odds & ends.

      • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

        I'll bet you, Conserv. Head Banger, have a car to transport your shopping finds, a larger than 400 square foot apartment to store your "stuff" in, and your home's "frozen " capacity is more than the small cube in an apartment's refrigerator.  Not to mention you are not faced with a challenge of shopping mainly when the monthly Social Security check comes. 


        • Conserv. Head Banger says:

          And your point is…………..

          You think everyone in metro Denver lives a pauper’s existence, not some sort of middle class existence? You live hand-to-mouth in a 400 sq. ft. apartment and don’t own a car? FWIW: my freezer IS a small cube.

          • Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

            Yes…you missed Johns' point…I am not surprised. 

            Your conservative POV is born of your superiority. You are smart, but myopic in many ways. The privilege that catapulted you to whatever socioeconomic level you enjoy is something you may not want to contemplate. But it is real.

            I have benefitted from that privilege my entire life. I am not ashamed and carry no guilt about it, but I don't overlook nor underestimate its effect. 



            • Conserv. Head Banger says:

              "the privilege that catapulted you……."

              It's called 1950s middle class, Duke, not "superiority." And, I grew up never quite knowing who else from the family might be living with us because my parents took others in so they had a place to stay. An example from the early 1960s: over a three year period, an aunt with mental illness threw out both her older daughters when they turned 17. My parents took them in; got them through high school including buying their prom dresses; paid a couple months apartment rent for each when they graduated high school and started working; loaned them interest-free money to buy good used cars.

              It's called compassionate conservatism, which liberals sometimes have trouble understanding, in their zeal to have government programs solve all of society's ills.

              And I'm quite familiar with the scenarios John tries to describe, and stuff he may not be familiar with, based on 25 years of work in various social services programs. Saw a lot of people needing help in those years, including the East Colfax homeless. Also saw a lot of scams, frauds, and people wanting something for nothing. Meaning no amount of government money will solve these societal ills.

              • VoyageurVoyageur says:

                We were poor farmers who didn't have indoor plumbing.  But we still took in my grandmaw when she had to flee an abusive situation.  A good farmer won't get rich, but with our own livestock and garden, we won't starve.


              • Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

                I was born in 1951 to lower middle class parents. I appear to be a white man, though it is not difficult for me to feel my native ancestors under certain circumstances. My childhood was like yours, with there always being extended family members under our roof.

                But, I am not talking about the privilege of being white or middle class. It is the privilege of parents who loved you and cared for your future. It was a support mechanism not enjoyed by millions of Americans.It is not racial. It is socioeconomic.

                I am sorry your experience with societies’ downtrodden has taken you to a place of such dreary expectations of the human spirit, but hey, that is your business. My experience with the Boys Clubs of America, my experience with homelessness (including my own), and so many other opportunities to turn away from those who cannot see and do as well as I…did not make me into a “compassionate conservative”.
                Depending on the context, those two words together comprise an oxymoron.

    • itlduso says:

      Tree:  Did you see the sign, "We card everyone under 75?"  cheeky

  2. MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

    "Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expedience asks the question, 'Is it politic?' Vanity asks the question, 'Is it popular?' 

    But conscience asks the question, 'Is it right?'

    And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but one must take it because it is right."

    ~Martin Luther King

  3. The realistThe realist says:

    Is it Groundhog Day again?

  4. MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

    I find all of this a fascinating mental exercise.  It was just a little over four weeks ago that I spoke at a global anarchist conference in Mexico, which, not being an anarchist was in-and-of itself an experience of a lifetime.  They wanted an update on hemp/cannabis policy in the US; I failed the #freedom test because we still need a permit to grow.  All that aside, their uptopian/dystopian paradise may soon be playing on the big stage.  I'm going to go out on a limb and guess they'll all be taking the checks being issued by the Treasury in due time. 



  5. Diogenesdemar says:

    MAY be an early-warning symptom:

    Lost Sense of Smell May Be Peculiar Clue to Coronavirus Infection

    Doctor groups are recommending testing and isolation for people who lose their ability to smell and taste, even if they have no other symptoms.

    Stay safe.  Be safe.

  6. MADCO says:

    "Fauci on Trump: 'I can't jump in front of the microphone and push him down'"

    Hmm … ratings, dude. RATINGS.

  7. JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

    The current *resident, last night


    The 15-day period is set to end on March 30.

    My unimaginative spreadsheet suggests that at the average expansion since March 3, there's going to be over 150,000 cases, close to 2000 deaths from the disease, and a couple of states will be beyond licensed capacity of their ICU units and number of respirators, and so increasing the rate of deaths.

    • Diogenesdemar says:

      Suddenly, I find myself wondering whether the Russian Mafia is refusing to forgo their interest payments during these times of reduced cash flow???

      • The realistThe realist says:

        Precisely my thought. Trump's multiple mental illnesses do not permit him to think of anyone but himself. He has two and only two motivators: 1) Re-election (to prevent prosecution), and 2) His personal "wealth." His wealth is in reality just a bunch of oversized loans from the Russian mafia and the Saudis – and Trumpy is struggling to make his payments.

        One other clue: Buried in the Republican bill for the bailout is some interesting language that would allow Mnuchin to dole out money to prop up Trump properties. No corruption, there, right?


      • kwtreekwtree says:

        Russia has its own coronavirus problem. According to the Moscow Times, which is the only news outlet not run by the state inside Russia, there are about 430 cases, they are paying 65+ year olds to stay inside (67 year old Putin is exempt), and they just now started putting social distancing measures in place. This means that they will likely follow Italy’s path, as we in the US are doing. 

  8. davebarnesdavebarnes says:

    Michael HandOnCock is insane.

    Closing the liquor and dope stores.
    It appears that supermarkets can sell beer, but liquor stores are closed.

    This will cause a run on every liquor store in the state for the fear that Jared will order the same.

  9. MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

    The latest from @TheLincolnProject

  10. MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

    #OutragedCory has made his appearance from quarantine.  It’s almost like he’s forgotten who’s in control of the Senate … and that in divided government compromise is the mechanism our Founding Fathers envisioned.  Pet projects? SHOCKED?  Open up public lands to drilling?  ANWAR?  The Christmas tree give-away in the last tax cut.  C’mon man.  You’re embarrassing yourself. 

  11. MADCO says:

    "Former Staffers Sue Bloomberg Campaign, Alleging They Were Promised Pay Through Nov."


    But still. He wrote checks – more than many did.


  12. davebarnesdavebarnes says:

    In other news.

    Death penalty abolished in Colorado.

    Natha Dunlap, etc. had sentences commuted to life.

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