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“Much that passes as idealism is disguised hatred or disguised love of power.”

–Bertrand Russell

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  1. kwtreekwtree says:

    "We have the oldest written constitution still in force in the world, and it starts out with three words: 'We, the people.'" – Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court

  2. Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

    "Much that passes as compromise in the world is just disguised fear or disguised indifference."

    me

  3. MADCO says:

    “To do is to be.” — Socrates
    “To be or not to be.” — Shakespeare
    “To be is to do.” — Sartre
    “Dooby dooby doo.” — Sinatra
    “Yabba dabba doo” — Fred Flinstone
    “Dabba dabba doo” — Kate Bush
    “Do be a do be.” — Miss Louise, Romper Room
    “Scooby-doobee-doo” — Scooby Doo
     

  4. MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

    This is a great read. Grab a cup of coffee and enjoy the history lesson. What was old is once again new. 

    • Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

      Excellent piece…thanks Michael.

      The parallels are amazing. My takeaway is "no senator who voted against conviction ever held public office again."

      Just at this moment, the Republican party chooses for itself…life or death.

    • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

      Excellent indeed.  michaelharriot  is a voice that needs more exposure. I particularly liked the construction of "White People Won't Be Civil War".

    • MADCO says:

      nice.

      "All persons…"

      So obvious, but so far out of reach.

       

    • harrydobyharrydoby says:

      "All persons are equal before the law." 

      Seven words that scare the crap out of Gardner, Buck, Tipton, and Lamborn, not to mention the Republican leadership in Congress.  They have fought to prevent those words from having the effect of law, and will continue until their dying breath (or until the PAC checks stop coming, whichever comes first).

    • VoyageurVoyageur says:

      Unfortunately, All persons are equal before the law doesn't solve the problem.  In Gorsuch Alito world everyone is screwed equally before the law.  Sorry, that's not good enough.

  5. VoyageurVoyageur says:

    All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.   Alas, if there is one thing today's Republican Party is good at, it's doing nothing.

    The House will impeach the Stinky One.  The Senate will acquitt 49 51.  Collins, Romney Murkowsky for conviction, Mancin Against.  Evil will Triumph.  

    All then depends on November.  Klobuchar/Buttigieg vs. Trump/Gabbard.

    Stay tuned.

    • RepealAndReplace says:

      You are giving Susan Collins more credit than she deserves. In my mind, she will forever be that dimwit giving that speech on the Senate explaining her vote for Kavanaugh.

      Otherwise, I think your vote count is correct:  Mittens and Murkowski vote to convict with Manchin voting to acquit.

      • VoyageurVoyageur says:

        Collins will vote to convict in a desperate attempt to save her seat.  It won't work.

        . Furious Trumpers will primary her and, while she will win the primary, Democrats will take the seat this fall.

    • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

      I'm a naive optimist.  I think a few more may vote for Obstruction of Congress (of course, there will also be a few fewer for Abuse of Power). 

    • Diogenesdemar says:

      Please don’t conflate “good people” and the liars, grifters, sycophants, toadies, con-men, and hangers-on in today’s “Republican Party” . . . 
       

      . . . words have meaning. 

  6. PseudonymousPseudonymous says:

    But how will we pay for it…

    This NDAA is anything but progressive.

    We need to vote no. pic.twitter.com/1kdgaZ7WDG

    — Rep. Ro Khanna (@RepRoKhanna) December 11, 2019

  7. RepealAndReplace says:

    The problem with socialism….

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/dec/12/general-election-2019-uk-live-labour-tories-corbyn-boris-johnson-results-exit-poll

    Nobody wants it and embracing it is no more than a ticket to oblivion.

    • PseudonymousPseudonymous says:

      OK, Boomer.

    • Diogenesdemar says:

      The bigger problem there is, and always has been, Corbyn. 
       

      See also the South Park episode where the voters had to choose between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich . . .

    • MADCO says:

      Medicare is socialism.

       "Doctor, now is the time for you and every other ethical physician in the United States to individually and voluntarily pledge nonparticipation in HR-6675, the socialized hospitalization and medical care program for the aged."   AMA 1964

      "Having given our pensioners their medical care in kind, why not food baskets, why not public housing accommodations, why not vacation resorts, why not a ration of cigarettes for those who smoke and of beer for those who drink."
      Barry Goldwater 1964

      "I was there, fighting the fight, voting against Medicare . . . because we knew it wouldn't work in 1965."  Bob Dole, campaigning for president, 1996

      I could go on – Social Security, Medicaid, Civil Rights, Voting Rights, Pell Grants, paid sick leave, 40-hour work week, federally guaranteed student loans, housing grants, TVA, Earned Income Tax Credit, food stamps – now SNAP, public schools, flood insurance, FEMA, and a hundred other things – but there's no point.

      No one wants socialism. Anywhere. Ever. Because everyone knows it just doesn't work.

       

  8. Diogenesdemar says:

    When lying becomes your life and livelihood . . .

    Still, whatever the short-term political incentives, it takes a special kind of depravity to respond to those incentives by denying facts, embracing insane conspiracy theories and putting the very future of civilization at risk.

    Unfortunately, that kind of depravity isn’t just present in the modern Republican Party, it has effectively taken over the whole institution. There used to be at least some Republicans with principles; as recently as 2008 Senator John McCain co-sponsored serious climate-change legislation. But those people have either experienced total moral collapse (hello, Senator Graham) or left the party.

    The truth is that even now I don’t fully understand how things got this bad. But the reality is clear: Modern Republicans are irredeemable, devoid of principle or shame. And there is, as I said, no reason to believe that this will change even if Trump is defeated next year.

    The only way that either American democracy or a livable planet can survive is if the Republican Party as it now exists is effectively dismantled and replaced with something better — maybe with a party that has the same name, but completely different values. This may sound like an impossible dream. But it’s the only hope we have.

    The Party That Ruined the Planet

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/12/opinion/climate-change-republicans.html

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