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Good news on voting rights in Florida- ex felons can still vote if they demonstrate that they genuinely can’t pay whatever financial obligations they still owe.
It is still a kind of poll tax in that Floridians have the burden of proof to show inability to pay – but it’s a small, maybe significant victory. Overcoming the GOP voter suppression project is critical to keeping our democracy.
If we press the fight vigorously, this can tip fla. Blue — with immense consequences.
not enough.
A start in the right direction.
2020 – FL: republican
Florida will go blue if we do our jobs. More than a million new voters, mostly Democrats, were barred for past felonies. This is the most important single fact of 2020 and beyond.
Dr. Jill Stein…..
Will be on Smerconish this morning with her diagnosis of what happened in 2016 and who is (and is not) a Russian asset.
As if Jill Stein is actually believable………..
I recall posting on Pols back in 2016 that the only person less qualified than Trump to be president was Stein.
Whoever wrote that was wrong. Benedict Arnold would have been a better president than Stinky Don.
I watched the anti-vaxxing dingbat's interview this morning.
She did say one thing with which I strongly agreed. She called for ranked voting – like Maine has done – nationwide.
Then she said that ranked voting would prevent the problem of the "unintended consequences" of voting for your preferred candidate.
HELLO…. Someone needs to introduce this moron and her idiotic followers to the concept of foreseeability.
She claims she is not running next year. If true, I'm sure there is another useful idiot waiting in the wings. Tulsi? Nader 2020?
She doesn't matter.
Michael Bennet has some rare exposure — a leading article in Politico
The author watches the October Democratic debate with Bennet.
Good article that exposes the weakness of Elizabeth Warren.
I read that article as an explanation about why Bennet will never win the nomination. And if he did, why Trump would cream him.
First off, the system is rigged against the bottom 99.9% of the country. And more important, everyone realizes that. Someone who runs to keep things as they are, and is a clear lackey of Wall St., will lose in this climate.
When the system is fucked, crazy (Trump) beats stay the course (Bennet).
In addition, I have never seen him get people charged up and seeing a wonderful new world. You can be boring and win a Senate seat (against very damaged opponents). You can't be boring and win the presidency.
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Maybe he needs to focus on what the House and Senate need to do now, to deal with the massive corruption of the Trumpies. Doesn't he have any influence with some fellow Republicans in the Senate regarding impeachment (okay, I didn't word that quite right but you know what I mean . . .)?
According to Hillary Clinton, the Russians may be grooming Tulsi Gabbard for a third-party run.
In a very real sense, it doesn't matter who wins the Democratic nomination. Trump & Co. can and likely will spend large blocs of time running against Clinton.
Hillary can best serve the country, going forward, by staying silent.
Use the example of G.W. Bush when he was asked early in the Obama presidency what he thought about Obama. Bush's reply: "he deserves my silence."
Well.. GwB was president.
Secretary of State can best serve the country going forward by creating jobs. Or building bridges.
May not have anything to do with Rep Gabbard
May not have had anything to do with Dr Stein.
Or Nader.
But …
Russian propaganda outlets are promoting Gabbard– that doesn’t necessarily mean that she’s a conscious “asset”, as Secretary Clinton claimed. Our own Polster Pear, cheering on Tulsi Gabbard because she is anti-Islam, pro-Assad, and good-looking, is helping in that effort.
Putin uses whatever tools are at hand, to divide and demoralize American small-d democracy whether or not the tools assent to being used. Jill Stein, Tulsi Gabbard, and right wing “patriots” like Pear are in that category of blithely ignorant tools.
MJ: one of the most intelligent comments I've ever seen you post.
I believe the term of art is "useful idiots."
MJ, do you not know that Assad’s religion is Islam? So Tulsi is anti Islam but pro Assad who is Islam. You didn’t know that?
No one ever accused Gabbard of being consistent.
Gabbard was also one of the early endorsers of Bernie Sanders, and he’s Jewish. Is your head exploding yet? 😉
So you concede the point. You don’t know that Syria is a religious civil war between different sects of Islam.
No. He says that Gabbard was one of the earliest endorsers for Bernie Sanders, who is Jewish.
"S" is for Sunni. Or is it for Shiite?
. . . said no Raygun, Bush, Cheney, Ttump, or any other Republican thought[less] leader ever . . .
Conservative David Brooks lists all the reasons in the case it is Trump vs. Warren that might tempt the "politically homeless" to either stick with Trump or sit out the election. But then he explains why neither of those two options are viable.
Fuck that clown. A few weeks ago he was blabbering about how Marianne Williamson was the clear choice for beating Trump.
I've gotten vastly more peace loving over the decades, but if ever met Brooks in person, I'd feel morally obliged to beat him into a state of severe, permanent neurological damage.
Um, well, his column basically said it was our duty to vote for *anyone* but Trump (up to and including Warren).
Well worth reading: Was this Google Executive deeply misinformed or lying in the New York Times?
He was lying….upper management at Google /YouTube have to know that they’re building white supremacy and conspiracy theory craziness…but it’s profitable, so they keep doing it.
What’s really scary is how many young people are watching these YouTube videos for hours every day. As a teacher, including now as a substitute teacher, I have occasion to see plenty of what teenagers watch on their phones.
There were teens who swore that there were murderous clowns stalking a park and high school football field in Greeley, because they “saw it on YouTube.”
An old girlfriend, well-educated, professional, now espouses whatever crazypants stories are circulating about Obama, Hillary, that Trump is being “persecuted by the deep state”,all based on these YouTube sites she frequents. I just try to keep gently questioning her and keep the friendship, even though sometimes we just can’t rationally talk about politics, trying to keep her from wholly turning to the dark side.
So the article you cited makes too much sense…that Google is intentionally maximizing views and advertising dollars by using algorithms that increase views of the worst, most racist and f%cked up crap that anyone ever put in front of a camera.
So David, as an expert in the tech field, how hard would it be to tweak these algorithms so they don’t keep channeling people to more extreme videos? What would it take?
What would it take?
Desire
From "Surveillance Capitalism" Shoshana Zuboff, pg. 19:
… all aspects of human experience are claimed as raw-material supplies and targeted for rendering into behavioral data.
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New automated protocols are designed to influence and modify human behavior at scale as the means of production is subordinated to a new and more complex means of behavior modification.
kick shot, please translate:
I understand the first clause of that sentence; “new protocols are designed to influence and modify human behavior “. That’s Google, YouTube, spyware, Facebook , social media news bubbles that self-perpetuate.
But what the hell does this mean?
“Means of production” means making stuff to sell – impossible burgers, candy corn, tampons, movies, blogs, ads to sell more stuff.
“Means of reproduction” is where patriarchal vs. feminist theory comes in- making babies to grow up and do and buy and make stuff has to be under the control of people capable of making babies.
So how does all that get “subordinated to…..behavior modification “?
"New automated protocols" -> algorithms
"designed to influence and modify" -> hardcoded weighting factors in the algorithms
"human behavior at scale" -> all users of surveillance capitalist platforms (FB, Google, Microsoft, etc)
"the means of production" -> (For surveillance capitalists) "The most-predictive raw-material supplies come from intervening in our experience to shape our behavior in ways that favor …. commercial outcomes". Think about how the developers of Pokemon Go were paid by commercial interests such as McDonald's to steer foot traffic their way.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/31/pokemon-go-sponsorship-price/
I took the "means of production" phrase to be an indication that the author believes there is a shift from the classic socialist understanding. shortcut WIKIPEDIA article:
So if there is a new means of production, presumably there will need to be an adjustment in the plans for the rising of the proletariat.
Tough sentence to crack but it means that the "means of production" is replaced in Surveillance Capitalism by the "means of behavioral modification".
We don't like talking about it
“Replaced”? No. Definitely not. Manufacturing of durable and non-durable goods is less of a force in the American economy than it once was, but still is ~ 12- 20% of GDP. (Depending how you define the terms)
And even what I do -teaching- is variously defined as producing workers who can fit conveniently into slots in the economy and be zipped in and out as needed. That’s not how I see education, because I’m an old school Dewey gal, but some do see education as worker production.
Of the 5 sectors listed by Investopedia as dominant in the American economy, only two-technology and retail – really depend on surveillance and prediction and shaping of consumer behavior.
Granted, those are big chunks, and those experts in “analytics” of shopping get the big bucks. My nephew does this – I think it’s really creepy, and wish he had stuck to musical theater, but he’s happy and wealthy, so who am I to judge.
Marxist Leninist theory about “means of production” can’t really apply in a world in which production is distributed, ownership is shared, roles are fluid, and information is a huge industry which is also distributed and democratized. As Toffler predicted long ago.
So I think that “Surveillance Capitalism”, while it may accurately describe shaping of consumer behavior, leaves a lot to be desired as an economic model. But it is thought provoking…so thanks for that.
Still unresolved is the question of what the hell to do about the YouTube model of growing white supremacist terrorists. The “consumer behavior” shaped is the purchase of weapons and armor designed to kill large numbers of civilians quickly.
Facebook just decided to not fact check political ads anymore – “Let the people decide”, Zuckie says. You tube will probably take a similar stance if forced to.
But I think they have to fact check, censor and regulate political speech. I think it’s a moral and ethical question. First Amendment doesn't protect all speech. It shouldn’t protect “Immigrants are invading so go take an AR 15 to Walmart and kill a bunch of people you think are immigrants.”
This ranks up there with climate change as “must solve” issues.
^^this^^
By 'replaced' I meant only the replacement of the phrase ""means of production" with the phrase "means of behavioral modification" so that the scenario becomes one in which industrial civilization has flourished by transforming natural resources and raw materials (means of production) into consumables. All of that will stay in place and become the resources and materials, augmented by personal consumer data, that surveillance capitalism will direct consumptive behavior (means of behavior modification) to.
Not sure what to do about the YouTube model of growing white supremacist terrorists that we've read so much about of late. I am led to believe that tweaking the neural network that serves as their recommendation engine would be the simple solution.
Doable but only Google/YouTube have control over that and what they optimize for is watchtime. A vid within the current category that is watched from beginning to end makes that vid rise in their recommended list. Vids that are watched to completion that autoplay other vids that are watched to completion maximizes the time in which they can serve up ads. They promote the obsessive behavior that makes them $$$.
Other suggestions are that it is the human nature of their users that selects the rabbit holes willingly and is probably what makes vids completely watchable.
Even others suggest that the recommendation engine can be gamed by the content that users load into the YouTube library.
Regulations? It would be like a game of whack-a-mole.
Better “whack a mole” than “Shoot the shoppers”.
I know what it will take for Google/ YouTube to start enforcing its existing rules against hate speech and violation of community standards.
Its going to take some successful lawsuits by grieving family members of whacko supremacists’ latest victims.
Case in point:
The young man who killed his sister and 8 others in a bar in Dayton, Ohio ( I know, all these mass murders blur together) was a member of a metal “pornogrind” band.
Pornogrind is a metal head music genre that features lyrics about raping and killing women. Yes, there are YouTube videos. No, I’m not going to link to them. Yes, these violate YouTube community standards. No, they have not been taken down.
The problem is the algorithm delivers what people want. It's not biased itself. It's like giving you stronger and stronger pain meds – you end up mainlining heroin.
So the solution is to take political viewpoint into account and steer away from addicting but poisonous content. And that puts Google in the job of deciding what political viewpoints they think are acceptable. And how would they do that when the country is so divided politically.
And for what it's worth, it's where people are good with going. I mostly listen to Russian Pop on YouTube and while I get some bad songs, it's all music.
You've contradicted yourself between the first two paragraphs:
"want" vs. "steer"
In the case of Google/YouTube "want" is the initial condition. The algorithm then predicts/steers based on hard-coded weighting factors. Those factors can steer in any direction the coder wants.
It IS biased itself. The only way to not be dragged into the algorithm’s cesspool is to quit the session and maybe start again with a different initial condition. The first autoplay is programmed to drift in a specified direction, the next more so, etc.
"And YouTube’s recommendation algorithm offers videos that become more and more extreme as viewers watch them."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/opinion/sunday/white-supremacist-recruitment.html
So you think that a tech fix is possible, if, as MADCO says, there is the desire to fix it.
David seems to be blaming the consumers of YouTube content- if they didn’t seek out political content by searching for “Hillary Clinton” or “Trump”, then they wouldn’t get presented with more and more extreme content, including violent white supremacist imagery. So it’s the consumers’ fault. That lets the designers off the hook pretty well.
Most teens are on YouTube, Snapchat, and Instagram much more than Facebook. I haven’t seen any movement to try to detoxify these social media spheres, or even any discussion of it until these articles.
The progression of content that, e.g., YouTube delivers is decided by the algorithm but the algorithm contains weighting factors that search for and find other contact that varies slightly from the last view.
The direction of variation (more extreme or less extreme) depends on what factors are derived from the library of content and whether the weighting factors are positive or negative (literally +/-) and how large they are.
Wake me when you translate some of this into English.
Once that data is derived, a daemon could automatically adjust the algorithm? No?
From CNN:$rump backtracked, now won’t try to hold the G7 at his Doral resort. Too much backlash, especially from Republicans.
It was a trial balloon to see if Republicans would let him get away with it, IMHO.
That and change the subject/press cycle
The "G-7 at the Doral" idea probably was done in by the bedbug infestation there.
Yep. It was a squirrel to distract people from the impeachment.
FYI: Impossible Burgers have 11x the levels of cancer-linked glyphosphates than the Beyond Meat or other plant-based meat substitutes : https://www.momsacrossamerica.com/gmo_impossible_burger_positive_for_carcinogenic_glyphosate?fbclid=IwAR0tiWQU2FdmXWEES37_lUoA2GqaIKF4PrEy5R1ZrBN46Aq8M8FgnSbERks
I tried these, and they are tasty, but I’ll get my glyphosphate dose the old-fashioned way- eating food that I have no idea if it’s been sprayed or not.
Try my fave:leek soup with lima beans and onions, with lots of vegies.
Chop the onions and add them, raw, just before serving. Toss in carrots, celery and radishes .
A savory delight.
I’ ve cut back on impossible burgers because each has 370 milligrams of Sodium.
Soup of the evening, beautiful soup!
Glyphosate is the lead of our time, and almost no one escapes it. I think something upwards of 98% of all soybeans now are sprayed with the chemical. It's even found its way into the ultimate Trojan horse, tampons. We could do better, but that would require Congress growing a backbone and standing up to the monied interests. I contend that over time consumer demand will force the industries hands – but until then we're stuck with the Faustian bargain between Congress and the chemical industry.
For years we had to deal with the Toxic Substances Control Act (which did almost nothing to 'contol' their damage to humans or the environment). Under Obama the Lautenburg Act was passed, which put some additional guard rails around the list of approved chemicals on TSCA. The Trump EPA is in the process of rolling those safeguards back.
In particular for the ladies here, I saw a presentation on cancer by Fran Drescher when she was lobbying Congress on TSCA reform that was outstanding. Check out her resource page here.
The good news? We have options.
The bad news (for now)? We have a broken food system
The funny stuff?
Edible hemp might be good for us diabetics because of the high fiber. Anyplace local we can buy the stuff?
Trader Joe’s sells the shelled hemp seeds under their brand. You can also buy them at Whole Foods under the Manitoba Harvest brand. Great source of protein; I put them on just about everything: morning cereal, soup, salad. I also add a big helping to pasta/Mac-and-cheese and it stops the ‘crash’.
You can also buy the hemp protein powder at Trader Joe’s and add to to your smoothie.
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It's not so much you are an ass.
It's that you're dumb.
…and thinks he"s funny.
Oh, c’mon, Duke. Pfruity is far and away one of the funniest guys here . . .
. . . just not in any of the ways he thinks he is;
and not in what would be considered a “comedic” sense.
Pfruit has been
geneticallypolitically modified by bathing himself inglyphosateTrumpism. Like our food supply, an entire country is discovering it's not worth the cost.Wait. What? The #G7BedBugDoral grift is dead? (it lasted five days less than #InfrastructureWeek!)
This is sadder than the Bowling Green Massacre.
Covfefe!!!!!
Former US Rep Sean Duffy is a raging idiot…….
He's on CNN this morning shamelessly shilling for Trump. He was doing it over the weekend, too.
He's been going off about the financial sacrifices Trump and his family have made to serve this country. (Working without a salary. Ivanka lost her product line at Nordstrom's.) Over the weekend, he was ranting about how Trump is growing the GOP because he carried WI, MI and PA.
Professional courtesy? One former reality TV show performer promoting another.
Growing the base? I don't think that words means what you think it means, Duffy…