Ed Perlmutter’s campaign for CD-7 is long past sounding ridiculous over their incessant cries about polling, but?now they are entering more dangerous territory: They’re starting to look silly and feeble. Perlmutter’s camp is?actively disputing the validity of the 9News/Survey USA poll released last week that showed fellow Democrat?Peggy Lamm with better name ID than Perlmutter. This comes after months of complaints about a Ridder/Braden poll (which we didn’t believe, either) and a Celinda Lake?poll that may or may not have existed (both of which also showed Lamm ahead).
Of course, the only thing they succeeded in doing by continually bringing up the subject of those previous?polls is to draw new attention to them – probably not the best idea given that there are plenty of people who had no idea they even existed. That’s like holding a press conference to refute allegations that you kicked your dog; most people didn’t even know you had been accused of kicking your dog, but now they do. And after the Perlmutter camp called up The Hill newspaper to refute any idea of previous polls, they now look like Dick Leggitt. From The Hill:
Although primary voters may pay little attention until July, candidates believe, poll standing is crucial to attracting money for when the campaign hits high gear next month. Danielle Radovich Piper, Perlmutter?s campaign manager, complained when The Hill reported during a Perlmutter fundraising trip to Washington that Lamm was considered the front-runner on the basis of two polls Perlmutter disputed…
…The new poll appears to support earlier polls that Perlmutter sought to discredit. In February, Ridder Braden Inc., a consulting and polling firm working for Lamm, found her with a 16-point lead. Perlmutter?s campaign suggested that the pollster manipulated the results.
Lamm?s campaign has circulated news of a survey by Democratic pollster Celinda Lake, who has worked for Perlmutter, showing Lamm with a lead of nearly 30 points. The poll was part of a larger survey Lake conducted on the minimum wage, and only about 80 people gave their opinions about the candidates. Perlmutter said the sample size was far too small to be meaningful. His campaign also questioned reports of the polling results, which where posted on a local political blog, coloradopols.com. But Perlmutter?s opponents seized on a memo by Lake downplaying the results of the poll, though not disputing them, as evidence that reports of the poll were accurate.
Whoops! And remember, it was PERLMUTTER’S CAMPAIGN that sent out that Lake memo. They served that one up on a platter by insisting on talking about polls over and over. There was some question as to whether that Lake poll really existed, but not after Perlmutter’s campaign released that rambling memo.
Obviously it was folly to continually discuss those two previous polls, but it’s even more ridiculous to continue to beat that drum now that a?respectable news organization has done its own poll. It’s one thing to say a poll done by Lamm’s pollster is inaccurate; it’s quite another to pretend that a major news poll isn’t correct. That didn’t stop Perlmutter’s camp, of course. From The Hill newspaper:
Perlmutter?s campaign disputes Survey USA?s methodology, contending that the pollster did not identify Republican and Democratic affiliations or limit the survey to likely voters.
?There?s a lot of smoke and mirrors about whether Peggy Lamm is the front-runner,? said Alan Salazar, who is Rep. Mark Udall?s chief of staff and is serving as general chairman of Perlmutter?s campaign. Salazar said reports of polls showing the candidate?s name-identification rate are ?great for fundraising.?
?I think people who are here in Colorado read those stories and laugh at them,? he said.
Sorry, but the only thing people are laughing at are Perlmutter supporters running around with tinfoil hats saying that these polls don’t exist or aren’t valid. Seriously – enough is enough. It’s not working. Nobody believes you.
The problem now is that Perlmutter’s campaign has become completely reactionary and irrational, blaming problems on big conspiracies or?polls that aren’t any good. But if there are three polls that all?say roughly the same thing – that Lamm is the leader -?you can’t pretend that they aren’t valid anymore. Maybe the exact numbers aren’t accurate, but the message is the same.
If you were getting a sunburn, would you?yell at the sun? Maybe instead you’d put on some sunscreen and a hat.
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I couldn’t have said it better myself.
But…but…Peggy had Bill Owens’ baby!
But…but…Ed’s a great leader, you’re all just too blind to see it!
But…but…everybody’s out to get us!
But…but…it’s all smoke and mirrors!
Wow… I am going to start this off by saying that I feel bad for anyone who lives in the 7th. Your choices are between; the silent, who probably should be since the others are beating each other around. The crier who is whining about the polls being wrong, when most people don’t care about the poll in the first place. The one who doesn’t even know where they live and doesn’t remember who they endorsed for governor, and someone with great intentions but has no shot because no money.
It is almost like watching a bad Three Stooges movie, with a silent movie star in the background. Sorry, people living in the 7th, this is your choice for representation in the US Congress. Makes you want to move to another part of this great state, doesn’t it.
I think Colo Pols supports Lamm. Or Colopols thinks Lamm has the best chance of winning the general because she’s not as hard left as Perlmutter or, charitably, Colopols is just disgusted with Perlmutter’s fumbling.
Check back at ColoPols about 4 months ago if you think that it’s biased towards Lamm.
Colo Pols has reported the fumblings in both campaigns. It just so happens that Perlmutter’s fumbling is getting worse, while Peggy has switched up her campaign management and turned her campaign around.
Reporting that one campaign is well-run and one campaign is poorly run is not support, it’s just reporting.
Dawg characterized Rubenstein as “someone with great intentions but has no shot because no money” while characterizing the others as bumblers. Personally, I like Herb so send him da’ money and help him run. As soon as I win the lotto I’m sending this guy all kinds of cash.
While Peggy Lamm and Ed Perlmutter are arguing over stuff that does not matter and no one cares about, Herb Rubenstein is talking about real issues. Only Herb has talked about the war or real health care reform. Herb has real policy positions. Herb is going to mount a serious challenge and could pull off a huge upset.
Dawg-
I don’t feel sorry for the people of CD7. In a few months they will no longer be represented by Both Ways Bob. They will have a strong woman representative who has stood up to defend the environment, gay rights and teachers. I would feel sorry for them if Ed became their representative given his record of voting for school vouchers, voting against gay rights three times and voting for big oil interests all when he was in the State Senate. CD7 folks, hold on just a few more months!
Has she changed her address? Again? For the very first time?
Does Peggy live in… Boulder? Arvada? Truth or Consequences New Mexico?
Is Peggy still relying on a name ID poll from February?
Inquiring minds want to know…
Now things are getting interesting. A few points to consider, where are Ed’s poll numbers, any numbers? I guess since he did not like them he shot the messenger, Celinda Lake delivered some bad news, and Ed fired her. Next where is Danielle? Strange that Alan Salazar is now the official spokesperson for Ed’s campaign, and was the person quoted in the recent Hill article. Is Alan being paid by taxpayers to moonlight for Ed? Me thought the Dems were cleaner on these issues. And while we are talking about money, Ed keeps talking about money he has in the bank versus Lamm. That is yesterday’s news. People like a front runner; money follows the winner, not the person most likely to come in second. Look for Lamm to close the funding gap this quarter.
Great point CC. Why is Alan being paid tax payer money to be involved in this partisan campaign? Is that something we should expect from Ed if he is elected? Maybe Ed is running out of money and funding because of all these blunders and he has to “borrow” from Udall’s staff. Obviously the momentum is shifting away from Ed and his special interests to Peggy and her support from real voters in the district.
Josh or CC Writer or whatever you are going by today,
Salazar is Ed’s campaign chairman… so in other words he is volunteering his time to help Ed’s campaign. Like every candidate on this planet probably has. Please at least shill about the issues and not stupid stuff like Alan Salazar helping Ed’s campaign, because Salazar is a far better man than most of us and has done great things for this state. Talk about this differences in their stances, not about a great man doing what he believes is right for this state.
Dawg, check his hours spent at Ed’s versus his hours at the job the taxpayers are paying him for. Me thinks there are 33 hours in a day, but Ed’s folks always did have a problem with numbers. I have only posted once before under the same name Dawg, so get back in the Dawghouse and put on your leash! My point is simple,taxpayers are paying for his work……
Wow I don’t know who you are but going after someone like Alan Salazar is just plain sleezy. You have absolutely no idea how much time he is putting into Ed’s campaign, or if he is taking vacation or if he just chooses to spend his time helping what he feels is a worthwhile campaign. Knock Ed’s issues or stances not the people that are helping him.
Have I once gone after you or the other ones on this site who seem to find it necessary to rip the people who, and this may seem to be amazing, actually think another candidate is better than yours. Thank god we live in a country where you can believe what you want. Evidently you have a problem with that.
I can’t vote in this district but if you are representation of the kind of people that will be influencing Lamm if she gets into office… I would vote for anyone but her. You are a underhanded meanspirited person who needs to knock other people to make themselves feel better. If I were Lamm I would be ashamed that you are representing me and would ask you to stop. That would show just how moral a candidate she is.
Dawg-
Don’t be so sensitive. By looking at certain minute aspects of a campaign, you can sometimes guess what is occuring inside a campaign. Such as a change in spokesperson. Why is Alan doing it instead of Radovich-Piper? After her blunders (re:Lake Memo) did she loose some pull in the campaign. All of which is interesting to potential donors.
Knock me all you want, but don’t start taking jabs that have done so much in their career to help you and your family. You have not earned the right.
Hey I have no problem with asking questions like that. You are free too anytime you want and it is a very important question to ask. My thoughts on that is just the fact that a reporter is doing a story and calls both the campaign manager and the campaign chairman and uses whatever qoutes they can get.
Do I believe that Ed’s campaign manager is doing a good job? From what I have seen there have been some tactical errors. Is that her fault or who’s fault I have no idea and I am not going to speculate. It just seems to me that you all spend too much time on here, yelling and screaming about those little things and ignoring Iraq, our depedence on Foriegn oil, energy security, immigrant rights, health care, and the so many more issues that are actually going to sway the voters in Aug and Nov. Plus you don’t see people continually hounding Peggy’s issues which haven’t really been fully explained, and luckly which I don’t care about.
I vote on character and the issues, not who is saying what about a campaign in what newspaper. Let’s stick to whats important shall we.
Dawg, first where did you get that name. Are you a fan of David Grisman’s music, if yes I will admire your taste in music, any Grisman fans knows David refers to his music as Dawg music. I am not crtical of Alan, great person, just amazed at how he became the spokesperson. A simple question, where is Ed’s Campaign manager, she use to be quote machine, and why now Alan. As far as representing anyone, I represent myself. CC Writer refers to where I went to school and my major. How about you Dawg, clue us in on your reference, or is that too much for you to share.
Dawg, first where did you get that name. Are you a fan of David Grisman’s music, if yes I will admire your taste in music, any Grisman fans knows David refers to his music as Dawg music? I am not critical of Alan, great person, just amazed at how he became the spokesperson. A simple question, where is Ed’s campaign manager, she use to be quote machine, and why now Alan? As far as representing anyone, I represent myself. CC Writer refers to where I went to school and my major. How about you Dawg, clue us in on your reference, or is that too much for you to share?
What is the difference if Salazar releases a statement instead of Danielle? I think you all are reading a lot into something very small.
So far as COPols being biased, I doubt there’s anything intentional going on, but this report is a pretty scathing assesment. Their coverage of Peggy’s many blunders this spring carried a far more apologist tone in my opinion.
SO far as the treatment of the polls as a tactical mistake, I really don’t feel that way. Celinda Lake’s memo was intended to be released for the public because she felt her work was being heavily misrepresented by the Peggy shills on the internet. The memo clearly stated that the CD7 sample was useless as an indicator of electoral strength and explained why. She was attempting to clear up the confusion created by some overzealous internet posters.
And, the Perlmutter camp isn’t suggesting the 9News poll is somehow manipulated or inaccurate – they’re simply voicing what any serious political observer already understands – that a name ID poll isn’t a solid indicator of where the candidates really stand in terms of electoral strength. Like they pointed out, I don’t believe that it was amongst registered Democrats or likely voters, practically the only people that the candidates are concerned with in this race.
“a name ID poll isn’t a solid indicator of where the candidates really stand in terms of electoral strength”
Where DO they stand? Could you please show the superior data that gives the clear picture for everyone? Some of us apparently aren’t “serious political observers” like you, so we need your help.
The fact that Ed’s negatives are higher than his positives might actually be interesting to some uneducated idiot. Obviously smart people like you realize otherwise.
Danielle Radovich Piper is a parasite on Ed’s campaign. It’s pretty obvious Ed needs to fire Danielle. She has no guts, and isn’t smart enough to compete on the national level with the big kids. She doesn’t have the intellectual substance or the competitive spirit it takes to compete on this level, and unfotunetly, it’s showing all over ed’s campaign.
C’mon team perlmutter, it’s media relations that you’re tripping up on, not rocket science. It’s really not that hard. Now you’ve picked a fight with the press on their turf, and you’re going to get burned very badly, in a fight that should never have happened.
Peggy and Herb could have easily been squished like bugs in February, but Ed’s team made huge strategic errors in underestimating their opponents, and those little brushfires now seriously threaten Ed’s position. If Ed were smart, he’d empty his entire staff into the trash, and start over with people who aren’t afraid to make what they want, and make a real, substantial difference with their work.
Leave Danielle alone, she’s a great manager. Maybe you folks should point the finger at the real culprit behind Ed’s destruction – Steve Welchert.
Why do people keep hiring this guy…how many times has he been black listed by the DCCC?
Danielle and Steve came together to Ed’s campaign. Danielle is steve’s henchmen, and makes sure all of his bad, worthless ideas get put into action. The colorado democrats would be smart to find a way to exile both of these brainless people out of the state, and anyone else in their little gang too.
Do you want my resume CC? Well here is a small sample, I have worked four campaigns in the last five years, a congressal, a gubnatorial, and two state senates in four different states, but decided to work for a non profit here in Denver and take a cycle off. So I do know a little about campaigns. The one thing I know is that message and money win.
Right now Ed is winning on the money, but getting his brains beaten out on message, because he has nothing better to say than “stop harping on the polls… they are wrong”, but luckly for him the Lamm message right now is “Ed is not good, and Herb can’t win so vote for me. I like being the best of three bads” Guess who is really currently winning this race O’Donnel, what do you think he is doing while the dems are beating the living daylights out of each other… building up money so he can bombard the media when it matters in Sept and Oct.
Good luck whoever limps out of the primary, I hope whoever it is can pull it out but it doesn’t look good until these campaigns get their heads out of their asses and starts running winning campaigns.
This is all very exciting news for me, as a Peggy Lamm fan.
As far as bias here on this site, the whole reason I got the guts up to even start posting on this site, instead of lurking, was because Peggy Lamm supporters and her campaign were being banged up so bad in here. I didn’t accuse the site of bias, I just decided I should state my observations. Stand up.
I have not personally met the staffers for Pmutter you all are slamming but it is getting a bit rough.
Maybe its not the staffers, its just that, if you meet Peggy Lamm, talk to her, listen to her and think about it, she is the better candidate.
Her staffers, his staffers, or any of their supporters, are side items.
Danielle is an absolute moron. She is pitiful and truly cannot comprehend campaigns or politics. She has zero political savy and was a ridiculous hire for Ed. He should have gotten a real campaign manager who actually knows how to run a campaign.
“Where DO they stand?”
Candidate support is about more than name ID polling. Go down to any campaign of your choosing and talk to the people there, they’ll tell you the same thing.
Other factors to consider: money (some here have suggested that money doesn’t matter, but history and statistics tell a different story), volunteer support (Peggy had to pay people just to collect her signatures, not a sign that lots of people are flocking to her campaign to help out), and donation strength within the district (the last time I checked the FEC site, only a small fraction of Peggy’s had come from CD7).
So far as the continued Danielle bashing, I think that’s just cheap and nasty. Don’t expect Ed to start slashing his staff because a bunch of blog readers think they’ve got it all figured out. He’s a loyal person and he selected his staff for good reasons. Like I’ve said here and elsewhere, it’s pretty easy to armchair quaterback these campaigns, it’s another thing all together to actually be calling the shots. It’s pretty easy to point out what you think went wrong after the fact.
“Where DO they stand?”
Candidate support is about more than name ID polling. Go down to any campaign of your choosing and talk to the people there, they’ll tell you the same thing.
Other factors to consider: money (some here have suggested that money doesn’t matter, but history and statistics tell a different story), volunteer support (Peggy had to pay people just to collect her signatures, not a sign that lots of people are flocking to her campaign to help out), and donation strength within the district (the last time I checked the FEC site, only a small fraction of Peggy’s had come from CD7).
So far as the continued Danielle bashing, I think that’s just cheap and nasty. Don’t expect Ed to start slashing his staff because a bunch of blog readers think they’ve got it all figured out. He’s a loyal person and he selected his staff for good reasons. Like I’ve said here and elsewhere, it’s pretty easy to armchair quaterback these campaigns, it’s another thing all together to actually be calling the shots. It’s also easy to point out what you think went wrong after the fact.
FLASH>>>FLASH>>>FLASH:
Ed Perlmutter, Democratic candidate for the 7th Congressional District today announced his agenda. At the heart of Perlmutters plan is increased funding for NASA. However, according to Perlmutter, the taxpayers of the United States, under his plan, could save millions of dollars on space travel.
According to Perlmutter, the next frontier should be to successfully land a manned filght on the SUN. Based upon Perlmutter’s research, such a feat would be possible if done at NIGHT.
“I strongly believe that we can successfully land a manned flight on the SUN, Ed said, by doing it at NIGHT, the sun would be cooler, and thus, the total costs for the mission would be much less saving taxpayers millions of dollars.”
Can you say …”Hand me one of those aluminum foil hats and my sun glasses please?”
Wow, I have to say ColoPols has it wrong on these polls. Interviewing 513 registered voters about a Democratic primary race is bad polling, plain and simple. Just because the media does the polling, doesn’t mean it is good!
Dawg also had it right in saying that O’Donnell is the one leading the race at this point. He has more money and doesn’t have to get muddied up in a primary.
Agreed to the cheap and nasty staff bashing. I’m fine with substantive and intelligent staff bashing on qualities that actually impact a campaign, but staff work on campaigns because they believe in it, there are very few people in the world who work that hard for a cause, and we should respect that dedication. And refrain from impugning character.
Ed has more than a name recognition problem. He has a deficet in name attribution as well. Perlmutter is an everyday, ordinary name. It’s a safe bet that everyone on this board knows at least one everyday Perlmutter. However, Lamm is not an everyday name. It’s the colorado equivilent of being named Kennedy or Roosevelt. Peggy’s name brings an attribution she belongs in the set of people who control the government. However, if Ed can bring it to everyone’s attention that Peggy isn’t actually a Lamm, but Dick Lamm’s sister-in-law, Peggy’s lead is toast, because that attribution that she’s skilled at politics from the Lamm name is gone. She won’t be special anymore, and she’ll have to support herself from her own political skills, which are not as good as Ed’s. It’s an obvious move, which Danielle hasn’t seen for some reasion.
Once both sides start advertising on TV, then the entire game will change. The team that gets their their TV commercials out first will have a huge lead in differentiating themselves as the best candidate. If Ed has commercials out tommorow, expecially with the above information, he would surpass Lamm immediately. But if Peggy’s come out first, then there’s nothing Danielle can do, even with all of Ed’s money.
I disagree with your strategy Least.
You think Ed will devote his time in a thirty second spot to convince voters (and proboboly patronizing them) that Peggy Lamm isn’t a Lamm. Give me a break. What will they spend the other 15 seconds of the spot saying? How Ed voted three times against gay rights, voted for school vouchers and voted with big oil? It’s not about timing completely. It’s about content, and Peggy wins on that front, with her great record on public education, the environment and gay rights.
I agree, Ed has some problems that may eventually catch up with him (if they haven’t already), but none of these “polls” have been of likely primary voters. Ed has strong support from the Dem base (see the caucus) who are more likely going to come out in August. I still see him winning the Dem nomination.
I wish they would just auction off the seat. As RubyBlue says, Ed has the $$$! This damn voting is really cramping his style!
Um, I believe that Peggy’s poll in February was of likely primary voters. And the breakdown of the 9 News poll showed that Ed still had way less support among Democrats than Peggy does. And the Dem base is so tiny that it won’t make a difference in August if Peggy has everyone else.
“And the Dem base is so tiny that it won’t make a difference in August if Peggy has everyone else.”
Um, I’d say the Dem base is going to be the primary voting catalyst. Everyone else is Republican or probably doesn’t bother to vote in off-year elections. They’re a big factor in this race, Peggy zealots keep the blinders on as long as you please.
“I wish they would just auction off the seat. As RubyBlue says, Ed has the $$$! This damn voting is really cramping his style!”
This is what I’m talking about when I refer to people thinking that money winning elections is somehow undemocratic. Every politician in history has been ‘buying votes,’ if that’s your viewpoint. Okay, you win, campaign spending is undemocratic! As always, tremendously amusing.
“It’s about content, and Peggy wins on that front, with her great record on public education, the environment and gay rights.”
Actually, Peggy barely has a record on anything. She did a short stint in the state house. It’s easy to dig up voting dirt on anybody with a long career in public office. You could do the same for any Democratic politician that has been around for a while.
If Peggy is going to take the low road, which she has so far, so there’s no reason to assume things will change, Ed can simply do the same. She supported Owens, doesn’t live in CD7, and owns some major oil and gas holdings. If you think that won’t make an effective media spot then see above statement regarding blinders.
Ed is endorsed by the CEA, actually has a fine environemental record (not to mention his involvement with the NREL), and if you check his website you’ll see that he’s a pro-equality candidate with endorsements from the GLBT community. Peggy’s issue attacks will be weak at best. IF you all are really counting on her being able to run a few attack ads and soem inflated name ID, then more power to you. We’ll see in August.
Peggy’s taking the low road? Yep, Perlmutter is above it all, with his claims that phantom polls put him ahead.
Get this through your head–every objective piece of information points to Perlmutter losing.
And get this through your head–the point this board is making is that they don’t count money on election day…they count votes. Having more money can help but obviously in Ed’s case it isn’t enough as he is losing.
Look in the mirror and ask yourself why you can’t accept this.
The low road? I demand to have your name. I am suing you. When I read your post I explosively spit coffee all over my monitor and keyboard, I demand reparations for a new keyboard. I am still laughing so hard my ribs hurt. You said, “Get this through your head–every objective piece of information points to Perlmutter losing.” Where’s the OBJECTIVE INFORMATION? All that’s been posted is opinion, nasty snakry opinion and very little fact. Then you said this, “And get this through your head–the point this board is making is that they don’t count money on election day…they count votes.” Here is a fact for you, in every single primary in Colorado the campaign that spent the MOST money won. Every single one. Now, post your name and address immediatley so I can initiate a law suit for my coffee soaked keyboard. You are one funny shill.
I don’t think I could respond to “The Low Road” much better than that.
One thing though:
“Yep, Perlmutter is above it all, with his claims that phantom polls put him ahead.”
When has Perlmutter ever claimed any poll put him ahead? The Perlmutter campaign has onyl released the results of a straw poll at from the caucus process, which clearly did put him ahead. They made it available to Rubenstein to review as well.
Put down the beer and do some fact-checking buddy.