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“Some people approach every problem with an open mouth.”

–Adlai Stevenson

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  1. harrydobyharrydoby says:

    Looks like even Magellan finds Prop CC winning:

    A survey conducted by Republican firm Magellan Strategies found that 54% of likely 2019 general election voters intend to approve Proposition CC, while 30% said they were going to reject the question. And 15% said they were undecided. 

    I quote the Colorado Sun above, but since they didn't link to the actual survey (is that the new journalistic standard?), I looked it up myself.

    Further down the article, they discuss various questions about the future of TABOR itself.  Interesting that there might some day be genuine interest in repealing that rusty old boat anchor.

  2. MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

    There are lines being drawn:

  3. PseudonymousPseudonymous says:

    • MADCO says:

      and (old) people wonder why the younger voters love this guy

      • harrydobyharrydoby says:

        And thus reinforces this quote from Paul Krugman:

        The specific set of foolish ideas that has laid claim to the name "supply side economics" is a crank doctrine that would have had little influence if it did not appeal to the prejudices of editors and wealthy men.
        — Paul Krugman[103]

      • Diogenesdemar says:

        . . . because many more (old) people have run into enough snake oil salesmen (spouting promises that they have almost zero chance of actually being able to keep) in their lives to recognize another one?

        . . . because many more (old) people recognize the utter folly of chasing after the great white unicorn versus working for practicable solutions?

        • MADCO says:

          Doesn't explain why there would be any doubt about why younger people would love him.
           

          • Diogenesdemar says:

            Hell, I don’t know . . . 

            . . . can’t seem to remember much about thinking as a young person — was mostly pursuing other interests besides thinking, then, anyway.

            . . . I remember so much more about thinking as an old person, now

            . . . except for what I forget. 

        • PseudonymousPseudonymous says:

          What do you think is impossible about universal, single-payer healthcare in the model of Medicare-for-all?  What is impossible about his other plans?  If you're saying "passing the laws to change them," then, isn't the solution to that to elect people who will?  How do you start doing that until you start doing that?

          • Diogenesdemar says:

            Let’s assume that I did say that was “impossible,” which I didn’t, and personally don’t believe, but . . .

            Maybe we could try electing some people who have a chance at working with others to get them passed, even compromising (gasp) where necessary to get things accomplished and keep them moving forward?  (You know, start at the start instead of trying to start at the finish line?)

            and, maybe, even still recognize (hat tip, I’m thinking, or something else equally just as generous) the contributions of those daring but inflexible dreamers who might have wanted to, but were too personally alienating and ego-invested to get the job done?

            • PseudonymousPseudonymous says:

              I apologize, I misconstrued "spouting promises that they have almost zero chance of actually being able to keep" as a claim that it wouldn't be possible to do the things Bernie wants to do.

              I don't remember Bernie promising to pass Medicare-for-all if elected, but I'll assume he did.  What would be the compromise position between someone who believes that every person in the country having medical care that they can access as needed without concern about financial impact is necessary and the healthcare system we have now?  How many people would be unable to access needed care under that approach?  Who would he even compromise with, based on how Republicans are unwilling to even allow the modest changes under Obamacare to stand?

              • Diogenesdemar says:

                Now you’re wanting to discuss what you assume Bernie might have, but may not have ever, promised and my defense of my thoughts on that, which I never voiced, but have given you some troubled concerns?

                As much as I’d like to spend the rest of this afternoon addressing and answering  points with you which I never raised, my duties today as a part-time air traffic controller hypothetically require that I spend a few minutes every hour getting all these planes landed safely . . . 

                Maybe you should just outline and argue here your studied parsing of the many things I’ve never said,  with which you disagree, by yourself?  Perhaps you also then could provide a brief helpful summary of why I’m wrong, and you’re right (for my edification)?  

                It could save one of us some time, and perhaps even a hypothetical airplane.

        • RepealAndReplace says:

          because many more (old) people recognize the utter folly of chasing after the great white unicorn versus working for practicable solutions?

          BINGO!

    • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

      Well, the question didn't include "grotesque," but if you look around a bit, you can find several Sanders interviews in June, just before or just after he talked to the Walmart corporate meeting, that asked him (or encouraged him to keep talking) about income inequality.

      If he can't remember what happened in June, should we worry about him like we do about Biden?

  4. MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

    Meanwhile, someone's kicking little Donnie's backside today.  SAD!! 

    Dow tumbles 800 points after bond market flashes a recession warning

    PS: there is a tweet for everything: (can Grandma Nancy proceed based on this?)

     

  5. Diogenesdemar says:

    Ummmmm . . . 

    . . . Well, maybe not in the King family???!

     

    . . . 

     

    Steve King, Opposing All Abortions, Asks if There Would Be ‘Any Population’ Without Rape and Incest

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/14/us/politics/steve-king-rape-incest.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

     

    • RepealAndReplace says:

      This is up there in the Annals of Stupidity alongside Todd Akin's term "legitimate rape." Or Rudy Giuliani's infamous "The truth is not the truth" remark.

      Has it ever occurred to these people to try to imagine what something will sound like when it comes out of their cake holes?

      • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

        J.D Schoetlen has announced his second run for King’s seat. He ran a great campaign last time; let’s hope this is his Hickenlooper-Dan Maes (but even dumber)-Tancredo lucky moment.  

  6. mamajama55mamajama55 says:

    Looking for a way to get some petty revenge and drive $rump crazy(er)? Move On has a petition to rename the street in front of Trump Tower “President Barack H Obama Avenue”. 🙂  135,000 signatures so far.

    https://nypost.com/2019/08/14/online-petition-seeks-to-rename-trump-tower-street-after-barack-obama/

     

     

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