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July 18, 2019 06:38 AM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

  • 27 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“These congresswomen…never have anything good to say, which is why I say, ‘If they don’t like it, let them leave.’”

— President Trump, at a rally in North Carolina on Wednesday evening.

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27 thoughts on “Thursday Open Thread

  1. Those four women should avoid appearing together and we should vigorously discourage use of the group nickname.

    It feeds his narrative and gives him a target.

    1. I disagree with you this time, Duke. “My Squad” is friendly, joking millennial slang for “The people who have my back”, my comadres (women who are my support group). Women are always stronger together. 

      Nothing will ever stop Trump from attacking. There is no negotiating with him, unless he is in a very weak position already, as Pelosi found. So instead of picking them off one by one, he has to take them on in a group. Imagine if the Republican primary candidates had unified against Trump….or all of the intelligence agencies, or the entire European Union. 

       

            1. If an avowed "man" as in spaceman has a problem with being called a courtesy title like "Sir", then I'd say that chip on your shoulder is mighty big.  

               

                1. Don't take it personally. V has an extraordinarily creepy obsession with other people's lives; gender identification and sexual orientations, especially.   

      1. I have no problem with the expression, especially as I understand its context. The issue is the use to which it will be put.

        If they use "my squad" themslves that is fine. But if we, their defenders, continue to normalize and legitimize its use, it will easily become the perjorative Stephen Miller seeks. It allows them to be easily singled out. The media will be happy to exploit that label and T***s people will have an easily compartmentalized enemy.

        That's why they should try to make a gathering on stage bigger than the four of them. If they want to become a "thing", well…OK. But I think they should just be 4 very bright, articulate legislators, working hard for their constituents.

        It may be inevitable, but I won't  use the term.

        1. You make a fair point, Duke, but let's face it; Trump, Miller, hell, even people on this forum will assign (and have assigned) their own pejoratives to these legislators, as a group and individually.   

          1. I'd say the Motormouth Four have kind of assigned it to themselves by attacking good Democrats like Nancy Pelosi.  But that doesn't excuse Trump's racist ranting.

             

    2. That is a sad story.
      And I hear you.

      But for real – they are minor representatives together or apart.
      They get a ton of press, their opponents push them out front.

      Let's get excited about Duncan Hunter – no one cares

  2. On a lighter note: You know it's hot when you set a pan on the stove, drop in a stick of butter right out of the fridge, and by the time you grab the next ingredient from the pantry the butter in the pan is already half-melted. Did I mention, the burner wasn't on? Gonna be a scorcher, folks. Keep those water bottles handy.

     

  3. WOTD from Matthiew Yglesias at Vox: "The Trump Show isn’t exactly popular, but it does mask a plutocratic agenda that’s even less palatable."

    An anonymous House Democrat went to CNN’s Jake Tapper on Wednesday to complain that the Trump versus Squad narrative was preventing Democrats from talking about their more popular agenda of jobs and health care. This critique makes sense, but if you take it seriously, the people to emulate are the Squad members themselves. Rather than whining off the record to prominent journalists, they are actually out there talking about jobs and health care.

    The point of the article is that Trump is being strategic, using insult and outrage and psychological warfare to distract from the Republican agenda of favoring the super-wealthy: tax cuts for the rich, removal of regulations, eliminating protection of the environment, climate change denial, etc.

    I guess it really is a political system inspired by the model of Russian oligarchy.

    1. Or during the decline of the Roman Empire — Spectacle

      If there was one thing the Roman people loved it was spectacle and the opportunity of escapism offered by weird and wonderful public shows which assaulted the senses and ratcheted up the emotions.

    2. I mean, this is just an explanation of the theory of false consciousness structured around Trump. This is hardly new to America, where false consciousness has been pushed by practically every president we've ever had. Goldwater or Reagan are probably better comparisons than Russia is.

      1. Please expand a bit on Goldwater, who was never president.  He lost to the second worst liar in American history, lbj.  Trump is the worst liar, by light years.

        1. I mean, he developed the racial politics of the modern Republican party, later perfected by Reagan who was able to effectively use the racial politics which Goldwater lost on to win, and has served to define the Republican party ever since. Trump lies in the same tradition in terms of how he uses race and racial politics as Reagan and Goldwater, with his biggest difference being mainly that he uses less dog whistles.

          1. You've basically confused Goldwater with Nixon, whose "Southern Strategy" not only won the white house but paved the way for subsequent wins by two Bushes, Reagan and Scumball.

            1. But before Nixon, Goldwater did famously says, "I'm going hunting where the ducks are," when told his polling numbers across the country were appalling. And by "the ducks," he meant those opposed to civil rights legislation.

              And thus he won 4 southern states plus Arizona in 1964.

              1. Yeah, though that ground was first plowed by Storm Thurmund in 1948.  Goldwater did vote against the civil rights bill and his caucus level takeover of the GOP changed it forever.   But he had a decent side, arguing in favor of gays in the military  decades before it happened.

                By Trump's standard, Goldwater was a socialist infidel.

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