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I’m sure you liberals will tear this one a new asshole. Not being black, I have no idea what its like, blah, blah, blah. What I can tell you is I’ve gone against groups I’m associated with before.
Is it uncomfortable, yes, but when you take a principled stand you live better. Its difficult to unreason you liberal whacks from positions you did not reason yourself into, so just read the column before you flip into your whacked out rage and call me a racist or ignorant.
http://www.gazette.com/opinion…
Glad to see the self-parody is back Libby.
I am a dynamic figure, often seen scaling walls and crushing ice. I have been known to remodel train stations on my lunch breaks, making them more efficient in the area of heat retention. I translate ethnic slurs for Cuban refugees, I write award-winning operas, I manage time efficiently. Occasionally, I tread water for three days in a row.
I woo women with my sensuous and godlike trombone playing, I can pilot bicycles up severe inclines with unflagging speed, and I cook Thirty-Minute Brownies in twenty minutes. I am an expert in stucco, a veteran in love, and an outlaw in Peru.
Using only a hoe and a large glass of water, I once single-handedly defended a small village in the Amazon Basin from a horde of ferocious army ants. I play bluegrass cello, I was scouted by the Mets, I am the subject of numerous documentaries. When I’m bored, I build large suspension bridges in my yard.
I enjoy urban hang gliding. On Wednesdays, after school, I repair electrical appliances free of charge.
I am an abstract artist, a concrete analyst, and a ruthless bookie. Critics worldwide swoon over my original line of corduroy evening wear. I don’t perspire. I am a private citizen, yet I receive fan mail. I have been caller number nine and have won the weekend passes. Last summer I toured New Jersey with a travelling centrifugal-force demonstration. I bat .400. My deft floral arrangements have earned me fame in international botany circles. Children trust me.
I can hurl tennis rackets at small moving objects with deadly accuracy. I once read Paradise Lost, Moby Dick, and David Copperfield in one day and still had time to refurbish an entire dining room that evening. I know the exact location of every food item in the supermarket. I have performed several covert operations for the CIA. I sleep once a week; when I do sleep, I sleep in a chair. While on vacation in Canada, I successfully negotiated with a group of terrorists who had seized a small bakery. The laws of physics do not apply to me.
I balance, I weave, I dodge, I frolic, and my bills are all paid. On weekends, to let off steam, I participate in full-contact origami. Years ago I discovered the meaning of life but forgot to write it down. I have made extraordinary four course meals using only a mouli and a toaster oven. I breed prize winning clams. I have won bullfights in San Juan, cliff-diving competitions in Sri Lanka, and spelling bees at the Kremlin. I have played Hamlet, I have performed open-heart surgery, and I have spoken with Elvis.
But I have not yet gone to college.
Man, I hope you never write about me. 🙂
It’s from an actual college admissions essay, author unknown as far as I know:-)
http://urbanlegends.about.com/…
I’ve seen that piece before and your post made me curious enough to go searching.
One thing I’ve learned about google is that if you take any string of several words, and surround it with quotes, and search on it, you’ll track down its source pretty quickly. Not surprisingly, there is software that uses this principle to look for plagiarism.
You can believe what you want. But what if a Black person where to say that the KKK represents less government and more States Rights, so therefore I would like to work with that group. That becomes a stupid statement.
Just because the tea baggers may have one of two points that are similar in nature to yours, doesn’t mean this group is one that will support you. Wasn’t it the tea baggers that had the monkeys out during the election of Barack Obama? I guess I know what uneducated, not very well traveled, middle of America thinks about me. I always have to laugh that toothless White people really believe they are higher on the food chain than I am. And I find it sad that educated Black people want to fit in with them.
But let’s be clear, I don’t believe you have to support Obama, because he is Black. But I would never support a group that was anti Wanda James. Meaning anti Black, anti bi-racial marriage, anti women’s rights. That would be self hatred.
Many Blacks grow up with a lot of self hatred and want to “Graduate from Blackness”. A term Earl Graves, publisher of Black Enterprise uses. You cannot marry a white woman, graduate from Harvard, work as a top Executive and think the good ole boys will give you the same opportunity and respect they give each other. Ask Tiger about his cheatin white friends? You would swear that Fuzzy Zeller and the boys never slept with whores on tour!
I think we need more Blacks in the Republican Party and in the Tea Party. I do. I just wish those Blacks had a better grip on why they are a part of the movement and what their actual goal should be.
They’re champions of Wall St and health insurers – they just don’t know it.
could have been written in the K Street Brothels by the Chamber from the looks of it. Its a ‘free corporate tyranny’ wish list.
The brothels are raking it in under the One.
pictures of Tea party Rallies including African Americans. I’m not saying there aren’t any but the crowds in photos and videos appear to be all white and and oddly include so many people getting plenty of tax subsidized benefits either as seniors or as unemployed collecting unemployment and covered by COBRA. Also I don’t see any elected GOP African Americans in congress.
The names Republicans like to put forward to show that they are inclusive are appointees. Michael Steele was elected within the party but apparently getting their voter base to actually vote for African Americans is like pulling teeth.
What we do see are signs showing Obama in a racist light at Tea Party events and GOP generated “funny” e-mails with such things as watermelons growing on the WH lawn and jokes and cartoons based on such non-racist gags as comparing Michelle Obama to a chimp.
When Libertad can show us Tea Party events with no racist signs, African Americans in the Tea Party crowd in significant numbers, GOP leaders denouncing all the cute “jokes” and GOP primaries in safe R districts selecting African American candidates who go on to win the votes of grass roots Rs, then let him re-visit his current talking point.
Say what you will about Dems and their failings towards minorities, Dems do nominate, vote for and succesfully elect them. Rs don’t.
And here is a couple of names of people elected as Republicans here in this state, Joe Rogers and Ed Jones (you know, the guy from the extremely racist El Paso County?)
anyone who says that blacks who attend tea party rallies are somehow more wrong, or differently wrong, or differently culpable, than whites who attend tea party rallies are saying something offensive: Blacks and whites at tea party rallies are equally wrong, and equally culpable of advancing ideas that are anethema to the long term welfare of the American people. None of them are acting in their own real interests, in my opinion, but all, presumably, are acting in what they perceive to be their own, and the nation’s, real interests.
Some are racists, and some aren’t. I sure don’t know the distribution, and doubt that anyone really does. I’ll leave it to others to argue the legitimacy of that issue. I prefer to focus on the debate over what serves our liberty, what serves our prosperity, what serves justice, and what serves our welfare.
Or just of a mindset different than yours?
What if you’re the one that’s “wrong”?
….Mr Harvey will now go into a multi-paragraph diatribe about the literary value of the term wrong, spanning at least 10 paragraphs.
I hope you’re proud of yourself.
to write whatever and however I choose, striving to be as thoughtful and informative in my responses as possible. That seems to offend some sensibilities, though the fact that it offends some sensibilities is precisely what offends mine. Such is life.
Such offensensitivity!
which would be great, if scoring points were the point.
But if you can’t laugh at Berkely Breathed, I guess there’s no hope.
I thought it was pretty funny. But the context was wrong for it, even though the set-up seemed tailor-made.
It is not your custom, or the custom of the vast majority of posters, to preface every such statement with “I believe.” It bothers you when I state my positions in precisely the same way that you state yours, and that most posters state theirs.
I stated it the way I stated it not because I don’t believe it’s possible for me to be wrong, but rather because I don’t believe that discourse is, by necessity, merely a back-and-forth of arbitrary opinions. I have argued many times and in many ways why I think they are wrong, using principles of economics to do so.
That fact that I am the speaker implies “according to my best analysis and current understanding” as a preface to every statement.
so as not to disappoint SSG Dan.
People see the world in different ways, and there is no ultimate arbiter to determine which ways are more accurate, or useful, or insightful, or evocative of the reality to which they refer.
Leaving aside the grand episemological discussion (and the doctrines of solipsism, cultural relativism, post-modernism, and so on), we all pretty much agree here that there is an objective reality to which we are referring, and that some ideas are more accurate, more useful, etc., than others. If a Holocaust denier posts a denial of the Holocaust, no one but another Holocaust denier objects to denouncing that thoroughly discredited point of view. If someone were to argue that the Bolsheviks had it right, that complete state ownerwhip of the means of production and elimination of markets is in the best interest of the nation and of humanity, most of us posting here would denounce that as a historically, empirically, and theoretically discredited point of view.
When you object to my having made an assertion that some others are wrong, on the basis that they’re “just of a mindset different than [mine],” you are implying that all mindsets are equal. None of us believes that to be true.
The challenge is to find processes by which different mindsets can compete in robust ways, that somehow separate the wheat from the chaff, that shake out the empirical falsehoods, the arbitrary and illogical convictions, the blind dogmas, and leave whatever conceptualizations are most accurate, useful, insightful, and conducive to human welfare. I think that logical argumentation is one such process. But there are other processes as well, some subtler and more “artistic.”
It’s funny that you latched onto my stark statement that the tea partiers of all races are “wrong,” because I was being intentionally ironic. I usually state what I think is wrong about an idea, and what I think is right about opposing ideas, rather than use the word “wrong” as an adjective describing people. But since the topic was the race of the speakers, I used “wrong” as an adjective to say that race isn’t the adjective that matters, and simultaneously to state that race doesn’t protect people from the adjective of being “wrong.”
that something like this could be dug up. Doesn’t change the reality that it’s tough to find non-white tea baggers, easy to find racist signs and hear racist epithets at their rallies, easy to find racist “joke” e-mails emanating from or forwarded by Republican elected officials and that there are no elected Republican African Americans in congress.
Your video doesn’t prove that any of the above statements are factually wrong. Neither does the fact that, say, an African American got elected in El Paso County. For one thing I never mentioned El Paso count as particularly racist so there you are refuting a point I never made(par for the course) and, by the way, here’s a quote from the comment to which you are replying: “I’m not saying there aren’t any”.
I also made no statement concerning the motives or values of African American conservative Republicans other than to point out that those in government under the late Republican administration were in appointed positions and that African Americans are not being elected to congress(not the state assembly, although that’s pretty rare) as Republican candidates by Republican voters.
Your response, which completely avoids addressing the strong element of racism so clearly present in the way opposition to President Obama is expressed or the inanity of people enjoying the benefits of government programs such as social security, medicare, unemployment and COBRA benefits demanding that the government keep its hands off those government programs, confirms that what I did say wasn’t of a nature you felt prepared to refute directly.
Just google “black tea party” and you get over 20 million results. Just because you didn’t look doesn’t make it hard.
As of today, there are 3 Senatorial and 35 Congressional candidates running this year as Republicans who happen to be black. Whether or not they win, they are not unwelcome in the Party.
The tired old meme of “Racist Republican” is wearing extremely thin. But Democrats need to keep up the drumbeat of hatred in order to keep one of their key demographics voting for them.
running in Senatorial and Congressional races?
how many black Democratic candidates are running for the House and Senate? I have no idea but it is a fair question.
as of now, all the blacks in congress are Dems. There are 42 in the House and one in the Senate as opposed to zero Republican members in either body. If Republicans ran black candidates in any of their safe R districts that would obviously not be the case. Is it possible that the safe R districts simply aren’t open to black candidates? Is it possible that they only are allowed to run as sacrificial lambs in districts that are going to go D anyway so Rs can say, look at how inclusive we are we are?
How many people do those 20 million results account for, I wonder? And you still don’t address the signs, slurs and e-mail”jokes”, cologeek. It’s the usual look over there response I always expect from the right when they don’t like the inconvenient facts.
how many are running as Dems for election/re-election, not how many are currently in office. I couldn’t locate a source to find out. I googled for awhile and then gave up but I would be very interested in seeing a number to compare to. I would assume at least 42 in the House, unless one of them is retiring. Burris is leaving at the end of this year so back to whitey in the Senate.
Was just pointing out to cologeek the way things are now. Found blog references to 24 and to 35 GOP black candidates. Could not find number of black Dem candidates . Very frustrating. Doubt very much that Rs will go from zero to anywhere near that number in one election. So, once again, as of now, Dems 43, Rs 0.
I got pissed off trying to find that info, too, so I just gave up.
GOPWarrior is in a tizzy that he made that comment which I find odd considering all the truly vile and obnoxious comments he has made at this site, that’s the one he regrets.
But something about that one (perhaps his panicked comment immediately afterward) was strangely compelling.
Great let’s start with your VA benefits and pension.
Yes, the infamous “some people”, such assholes they are. Without a quote this is just made-up crap. Kind of like “permanent bailouts.”
I hope I don’t repeat what someone else has already said.
1) Your introduction was full of insulting assumptions, rather than anything conducive to fruitful discourse.
2) If your point is that racial, ethnic, religious, or whatever, identity is not destiny, that people remain free to think what they choose and to argue against the commonly held views of those who share the identity, you’re right. No one should criticize someone’s view with reference to their categorical identity; the opinion, analysis, prejudice, whatever it happens to be, should be criticized in its own right, and only its own right. Whether someone defends or opposes the interests or arguments commonly associated with an identity that they hold, it is only the strength of their arguments, and not their identity, that matters.
3) If your point is that the opinions, arguments, prejudices, whatever, held by black, or hispanic, or native american, or whatever, members of the tea party movement (few and far between as they may be) can’t be criticized because of their categorical membership, see #2 above for why that is wrong.
4) If your point is that arguing against one’s own personal or categorical interests can often be, all other things held equal, an indication of heightened integrity or credibility, I would say that that is true. However, it is more true when it is an argument against personal interest, rather than perceived group interests, since the phenomenon of profiting individually by “betraying” the interests of some group to which one nominally belongs is about as common as exercising exceptional integrity and credibility by doing so.
First off, I think it’s safe to say everyone who is a regular here will find the book fascinating. Go get it.
Second, one of the most powerful things the Dems did was figure out where donations would give us the best ROI. How do those of us with less than a million to contribute find out where our donations will do the most good?
I would be very happy to follow those recommendations, as would many others I think. And our donations together would add up.
redistribution, bailouts, handouts, more taxes, death panels … your subscription to Newsweek only goes so far in publishing the DNCs latest TP memos.
The most recent quarter was a tough one for the small business owner. You won’t see that of course unless your doing in-take as some government regulatory body that deals with small business and thank God there are very few of you. Of course talk to any CPA and things are well different. Frankly we non Democrats can see it in your faces, your having a very difficult time defending your Party’s leadership on issues.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_1…
As I understand it, the most optimistic crowd estimates were 3500……and most put the crowd at under 1000. “Fierce protests?” I have heard better arguments in bars.
Ed Schultz said it best, to paraphrase, “If I asked for support for the elimination of puppy farms, I could put 100,000 on the National Mall.”
As for the black “conservatives,” your point is what? I am not telling blacks anything. Who is???? Who are the people saying that blacks cannot support the tea party movement?
It may well be other blacks.
The lawyer? Could if have gotten into law school if barriers against race had not been removed because of government action? Could the airforce officer have moved up in the military if Truman had not desegrated the military in 1949? And as for the Jim Crow laws in MS, who changed them? It was blacks fighting for equality who finally got the FEDERAL government to help.
It is the federal government which protects the right of people, of any race, creed, etc. to join any party they wish, and to support anyone they care to.
Stuart Sanderson CO Mining Assoc.
I just think we should remind Mr. Sanderson of his quote each and every day…
I am sure his next step will be to denounce the insider meetings the coal industry had with the secret Cheney Energy Task Force, which helped convince the Bush administration to (try and) overturn the wildly popular Roadless Area Conservation Rule.
http://www.denverpost.com/poli…
Sometimes the anti-education mob provides a mornings worth of chuckles.
This morning the Dallas Morning News has an article regarding anti-bullying efforts in the education system. Although this person does not provide information about whether or not he likes to be in the teabagging crowd or not. He at least provides us with a reason the state of Texas should stop trying to be a Republican white lie education state. Perhaps some other state can help them out with education and the true history of the U.S. and world.
complete quote of the response by Ian B (the brain)
Too crazy for Colorado, but in South Carolina he fits right in.
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpoin…
“go back to Africa” is a new low for a man that has so many lows.
Apparently a bunch of non-racist tea partiers booed him, preventing him from finishing, and he had to be escorted off the stage by the organizers.
Oh wait that didn’t happen, he got a bunch of cheers. But I guess the cheers were for sending his POLICIES back to Africa, not him.
“There are serious questions regarding Obama’s Constitutional right to the presidency that the left refuses to address. In their mad stampede to elect a black man (proof that they are not racists) they chose a man who had virtually no experience. I am not a racist and have no objections to a black president, but I have many objections to this man. His background was involved with community organizing (another word for this is lobbying).”
http://www.summitdaily.com/art…
Words like these give the impression that people don’t want the label “racist,” but many harbor deep-seated warped views of race, and, I believe, fear the loss of a white-ruled U.S.
What does the GOP call their get-out-the-vote effort? It IS community organizing, they just don’t want to recognize it as that! I think that the type of community organizing that Pres. Obama did was probably quite an education into how local government works… the nitty gritty.
Apparantly being a State Senator and teaching constitutional law don’t count as experience either. Graduating magna cum laude from Harvard Law School must mean that you are dumb as a brick. Oh, and a degree in political science with an emphasis on foreign policy.
Obviously it would be better to elect the 1/2 term governor of a state with about as many people as a congressional district.
To be serious, though… I am extremely proud to have an extremely smart President!
is an exercise in community organizing. I wonder if the letter writer has a problem with Jane Norton’s lobbying past, since community organizing and lobbying are apparently the same (scary) thing. This is just ridiculous.
Me too, butterfly. Like many really smart but humble people, I think he sometimes enjoys being underestimated.
Good point about the GOP GOTV. But with Republicans, up is down and wet is dry.
You know.
I think that the GOP leadership in Washington realizes this and that is why they are in such a tizzy to try to defeat anything he is for. Their constant negating of his actual accomplishments and accusing him of being inexperienced is all part of many attempts to make it seem that he is not worthy of the position. I don’t think that the Administration can hit back on these attacks but I think we should. They should not be allowed to lie and not be called out.
Someone should call-out the Colorado Springs Gazette editor. It surely is interesting that almost the exact same percentage of blacks voted for white presidents as voted for President Obama.
It is actually pretty hilarious sometimes when it is something that they have advocated but as soon as he says that he supports it, they get whiplash suddenly being against it! Hilarious but sad.
I also rememember Oliver Wendell Holmes; description of Franklin D. Roosevelt: “A second-class intellect but a first-rate temperament.”
The jury is still out on Obama’s temperament. But his leadership in the health-care debate, and now on financial reform, are hopeful signs that he is learning the ropes.
Who knew that conservatives completely on their own turned the Great Depression on its head. Why haven’t conservatives been given credit for this, over all these years? It’s a travesty, I tell you!
Except for the ones who didn’t…
An excellent discussion/exchange yesterday between Adam B and Rob Witwer regarding Witwer and Schrager’s new book, The Blueprint: How the Democrats Won Colorado (and Why Republicans Everywhere Should Care).
3rd reading vote that was delayed until today passes with at least 33 votes. No details on who voted for and against.
All Republicans voted against it, as did Benefield, Labuda, Rice, Riesberg and Schafer.
Scott McInnis is going to the airwaves now apparently. I haven’t been able to find the ad anywhere online, but I saw it air on TV today. He’s billing himself the “Jobs” governor or something like that.
No real plan to get those jobs created other than Bush-era conservative philosophy: tax cuts + spending caps (except for the things we want to spend more on, but we won’t emphasize that) – Regulations + ???? = job growth.
Take credit for the already improving economy.