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March 19, 2010 10:30 PM UTC

Note To Hickenlooper: You're Not Running For Mayor Anymore

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  • by: Colorado Pols

Democrats around the state are scratching their heads over recent statements by gubernatorial candidate John Hickenlooper, reported in the Denver Post today:

Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper told a business group Thursday that it’s “crazy” to raise fees or taxes when revenues are down, or for Colorado to be known as an anti-business state.

At the same time, Hickenlooper, who is running for governor, said Gov. Bill Ritter’s administration sided with “overboard” environmentalists in crafting new oil and gas regulations.

The remarks to the South Metro Chamber of Commerce provided a clue about how a Hickenlooper administration might be different from Ritter’s, although both men are Democrats…

He also said that “raising taxes piecemeal” does not win the support of the business community, which is vital to the success of any government.

Hickenlooper said that when he became mayor in 2003, he worked with Republican Bill Owens, then governor, to “rebrand the state as business-friendly.”

“Now we’re getting a brand that’s anti-business. That’s crazy,” he said.

The tax-credit questions were expected, but the oil-and-gas comments came at the end of his lengthy response to a question about why a such a pro-business person would be a Democrat.

Folks, we’ve defended Hickenlooper’s off-reservation comments about climate change and some other topics several times now since he announced his candidacy–deservedly, we think, in context, and in proper contrast against the stated views of his likely Republican opponent.

This is different: not only did the normally mild Hickenlooper use harsh and pejorative language to describe a key Democratic ally, he disparaged the recent suspension of a few tax credits in unusually caustic terms–only days after promising not to ‘interfere’ with the process during the legislative session. It seems to be a grudging admission in some circles, but your gut is correctly telling you that these were really stupid things for Hickenlooper to do. It’s time to say so.

We recognize that there are generally considered to be political benefits in triangulating against a constituency you’re confident is going to support you regardless. The problem we see here is twofold: the negative impact this self-serving disparagement has on other Democratic candidates and the brand as a whole, and the demotivating effect Hickenlooper dissing the environmental community could have on independent expenditures–not just for Hickenlooper, but for Democrats up and down the ballot. Hickenlooper needs to understand, and quickly, that he’s not running for Mayor anymore, and that his statements from the top of the ticket reflect on more than just himself.

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40 thoughts on “Note To Hickenlooper: You’re Not Running For Mayor Anymore

    1. He also commented on taxes, unions, health care. He said he thinks he could stop the anti-business messages coming out of the legislature if elected. If he hadn’t raised taxes so often while Mayor, independents and Republicans might believe him.

      Is he an Obama Democrat?


          1. Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper said Thursday that it’s “crazy” to raise fees or taxes when government revenues are down, but his 2010 budget raised fees and fines in the city by at least $5.1 million annually.

            The increases, which were more modest than others had urged, addressed areas where revenues had remained static for years, Hickenlooper said at the time.

            The mayor, who is seeking the Democratic nomination in this year’s governor’s race, was too busy Friday to respond to requests for interviews, his staff said.

            Budget officials said previously that the fee increases covered the cost of doing businesses.

            Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/news

        1.   Voters raised TAXES, as with the day tax tax, etc.  But I think this article refers to fees that can be raised without voter approval.  TABOR is actually biased toward fees, over taxes.  In part that is because past campaigns for TABOR-like laws foundered over charges that we’d have to have an election to raise parking fees.

          1. A) You live in Greenwood Village.

            B) You’ve got TABOR protecting you from the big, bad tax-and-spend liburuls.

            I suppose, however, that you fear Hick because he’s a popular and well-spoken leader who can persuade the voters to pass those tax measures (that he hasn’t proposed, and doesn’t sound like he will – not that reality matters much to a hard right partisan where your deep-seated fears are concerned).

            Well, that’s democracy for you. See my signature line.

  1. Sounds like someone needs to sit Hick down and explain the state of the budget to him.  Those are nice sentiments in normal times, but we have a huge hole to fill here, even after big cuts.

  2. I’ve been kind of harsh about Hickenlooper but it’s mostly because I see a pattern with his comments that I find disturbing. Everybody can make an off the cuff remark that can be misinterpreted but I’m rapidly moving past the benefit of the doubt stage to the “what he is thinking” and “does he really believe what he’s saying” mode. And if he does believe what he’s saying, then I have a problem with my candidate.

    1. Promoting Colorado’s jobs and economic development vs ……

      … spending tens and tens of billions of (Taxpayer) dollars to buy insurance to stop global warming.

  3. Is that all I’m hearing are off-the-cuff remarks.  No message.

    I hope he gets the message thing happening soon, because right now what there is of a campaign is like the Romanoff message deficit on steroids.

          1. and thus–unless environmentalists demand better Democrats, and reinforce that by staying home–candidates generally ignore the environmental constituency and just assume they will turn out to vote against Scooter, even as they call us overboard, repeat myths that the world’s richest industry is somehow disempowered (when do the Sage Grouse hold THEIR caucus again?) and that pro-business cannot be pro-environment.  

            It will work for me–I dislike Scooter as a candidate, I hated him as my Representative, and I know I would loathe him as my Governor–but I won’t stop calling BS when a candidate screws up, regardless if they are the lesser of two evils.

  4. my utter surprise this morning when I pulled up the electronic edition of the Post.  Hick all but said ‘I agree with Scott McInnis’. If I was surprised you had to be stunned.  

        1. So I don’t have to admit to any expectations at all.  So far what I’ve heard on this one subject isn’t too far from other petroleum geologists I’ve known over the last 40 years.

        2. then embraces another, like Scooter on choice.  A candidate taking a position contrary to what some in his base thought his position was is not flip-flopping.  It may be troubling, it may be pandering, it may signal a real anti-environmentalist bent or not, but its not a flip flop.

  5. Hick’s statements are more of what people want to hear rather than what they should hear. If he gets elected Gov., he’s going to have to make tough choices.

    I was speaking with Sen. Morgan Carroll last night and the last thing she said to me was she had to be down at the Dome first thing in the morning at Appropriations figuring out a way to cut another $ 1.3 BILLION out of the budget.

    That’s quite a wake up call…..

  6. Gotta agree that the Hick seems to be shooting from the hip (and into his foot)with these sort of comments.  What part of market forces like lower cost production closer to major populations/pipeline issues/declining demand doesn’t a self-avowed businessman understand?  He also ought to look at some of the surrounding states with more restrictive regs and higher taxes/fees (and that we’re outproducing)for comparisons before sipping any more Kool Aid.  And we all ought to get used to the fact that our rig count hit its peak a couple of years ago prior to increased use of more modern rigs which can drill multiple wells from one platform.  No longer the best indicator of activity.  Bottom line is that until the industry drills every permit issued in a given year, they have nothing to bitch about.  They’ve never done that and never will, even with the decline in apps.

  7. I’ve heard Hickenlooper claim that O&G was shut out of the COGCC rulemaking and that this rulemaking was not as “open” as what took place during the roadless rule discussion.

    I think Hickenlooper needs to learn what really took place.

    Those who were paying attention at the time (late 2007 to early 2008) may recall that the COGCC issued a “pre-draft” document with a proposal for which rules might need updating and what areas needed more information.

    This was followed by a series of stakeholder meetings in Jan-Feb 2008. As you can see in this sign-up sheet, the O&G industry was well represented at these meetings.

    I’d like to leave Candidate Hickenlooper with three take home messages:

    1) All of this effort at inclusion (the pre-draft document and the stakeholder meetings) went well beyond what the law required for a rulemaking procedure. The COGCC would have been within the law to just issue a draft set of rules and let everything start from there.

    2) The O&G were major players during this period of developing the draft rules that were published on March 31, 2008.

    3) The current slowdown in activity has very little to do with the new rules. Permits to drill under the old rules were valid for one year, and all permits applied for prior to April 1, 2009 were grandfathered under the old rules. This means that O&G companies have been largely operating under the old rules for the entire past year. In other words, all of the slowdown in activity has been while the old permit rules were in effect. (If operators in Colorado were really worried about the new rules, they would be drilling like mad while they still have valid grandfathered permits.)  

    1. of Colorado politics and policymaking is a fool or telling a fib.  

      Did Hick criticize the last Gov we had for 8 years since he came from the oil and gas lobby?  Like…

      The oil and gas industry–from where the previous governor came from (well there, and Texas)–went so far overboard in their quest to maximize short-term profits, they glutted the market and thus to preserve those profits gutted their work force.

      Instead its the poor world’s richest industry being forced to care about water, public health, and wildlife at the hands of crazy over-zealous environmentalists, in their cozy backroom while the gas industry is shut out, disaffected, disempowered, in the cold.  Its a lie.  And Hick needs to be called out for repeating it.  

  8. We haven’t had an environmentalist as Governor since Dick Lamm.

    But somehow, the environmental groups line up to support people like Romer and Ritter because they they get thrown a few pieces of “green”.

    Meanwhile, the Front Range continues to sprawl out of control, with little or no land use tools available to stop flagpole annexations, URA abuse, paving over of agricultural lands and wildlife habit, more water projects draining rivers, etc.  Also, there is absolutely no discussion about the environmental impact of doubling the population of Colorado in the next 40 years.

    Actually, I was bemused the other day when environmental groups were gagga over converting some coal fired plants to natural gas.  Sure, it will help with greenhouse gas emissions some short term, but won’t that cause more drilling for gas, which by the way, is also a finite fossil fuel energy source?

    We environmentalists don’t ask for much from politicians, so I guess we shouldn’t expect anything different from Hickenlooper

  9. Those of you who thought Hickenlooper would be business savvy but govern with a progressive agenda probably thought Obama was a raging socialist rather than a centrist. The primary forced Obama to run a more progressive campaign. We are seeing one of the big problems of not having a primary challenge.

  10. Maybe Romanoff should have run for Guv instead of US Senate. Perhaps we need a Dem primary to confirm the issue priorities in the gubernatorial election.  

  11. Here’s the thing, I initially supported both the software tax and the attempt to get people to pay their use tax. I thought basic fairness required we do this. And I felt bad that my company was getting a free ride.

    But then I hit the issue of actually complying with these new laws. And that taught me the mind-blowing incompetence of the Department of Revenue and their directory Roxy “I do nothing” Huber. Then add to that the kafkaesque complexity of having 89 home rule cities that not only each have to be reported to, but each has their own unique interpretation of what is taxed.

    What I think a lot of us Dems miss is that in many cases it’s not the tax payment, it’s the cost and complexity of determining and reporting it that businesses object to.

    So when Hick speaks about the hardship these taxes bring to business – he’s spot on. And that will resonate. What’s a shame is the the opposition would drop like crazy if the government would administer this simply and efficiently.

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