Weekend Open Thread

“Shall I tell you what the real evil is? To cringe to the things that are called evils, to surrender to them our freedom, in defiance of which we ought to face any suffering.”

–Seneca

52 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. mamajama55 says:

    Hundreds of people, mostly women,  have been arrested protesting at Kavanaugh's confirmation hearing. Even if you think Kavanaugh's nomination is inevitable, you  can still support the resistance by taking 30 seconds to let your Senators know you don't want Trump's "Get out of jail free" guy confirmed.

    Senator Bennet: Contact Us

    Senator Gardner: Contact Cory*

    Move On video of protest

    Dem Senators did a good job resisting on the first day , but have calmed down since.

  2. Voyageur says:

    Wild Thing tune

    -O-

    Trump stink.

    You make my nose shrink.

    You make everything 

    Rancid.

    Trump stink.

    I need to hold my nose.

    I need to burn my clothes.

    Trump stink.

    I think I hate you.

    And now I know for sure.

  3. Zappatero says:

    Very proud of our side. It is quite obvious that Republicans are ok with a political hack who has perjured himself and lied to Congress multiple times. 

    Rather than getting a promotion to his dream job he should be impeached and removed from his current one. 

  4. Negev says:

    Might be able to make a few bucks while your are at it….

    • mamajama55 says:

      Lies….. a picture of someone handing money to someone doesn't necessarily mean protesters were paid to protest. Prove your allegation.

      What I saw from your linked Adam Schindler video was "three doctors" claiming that they saw money changing hands, and claiming the superpower of knowing what was in the protester's minds and hearts: "No heartfelt convictions".  Somehow, these men just know that women don't really want to have control over their own bodies.

      If money did change hands,  it could also be bail funds for those 217 people who knew that they might be arrested. Protest organizers  from the Women's March and Center for Popular Democracy were pretty open about offering "jail and bail support", if necessary. Do you think that they should just let these moms rot in jail?

      Would you volunteer to be arrested for your precious guns? If yes, would you accept $50 cash from the NRA to be able to bond out immediately? Of course you would.

      • Negev says:

        Wait, first it's lies requiring proof, then is possibly true only to pay for the protestors bail, then its acceptable because if it were me I would do it. I really don't think I need to prove anything you have done an outstanding job of that on your own. 

        Lets call it sponsored protesting rather than paid protesting, that way we don't have to count the money exchanging hands to see if they profit. 

         

        • mamajama55 says:

          Just answer simple questions….if you're capable of it.

          1. Can you prove that this is genuine video of protesters being paid for protesting?  Yes or no?

          2.Would you protest if your side's worst case scenarios came true and Democrats actually came for your guns?

          3.If so, would you be willing to be arrested? I

          4.If so, would you allow a sympathetic organization to post bail for you, or would you remain in jail if you couldn't afford bail?

          5. Do you think that three elderly male doctors can know what is in the hearts of young female protesters?

           

          Back to the point of the post, in spite of Negev’s attempts to distract: Call your senators, people. We can’t afford to give Trump the SCOTUS justice who will say that “It’s not illegal if the President does it.”

          • Negev says:

            1. No, I can't. What I do see is a Soros funded consultant with cash in hand and a known protester, who was later arrested, with cash in hand. 

            2. Yes, I would. I have protested for less. For free.

            3. Yes. I would however not plan ahead to get arrested, and accept bail money prior. That is conspiracy to commit a crime. 

            4. Yes. I would be overwhelmed with joy if I, on my own accord, protested an issue I was passionate about, got thrown in jail, and, to my surprise, saw that Ollie paid the bail I could not afford to get me out. 

            5. No. It is absurd to suggest that rich, white men could ever know whats in the hearts of poor women. They do however, know, with photographic evidence, what is in their pockets. 

            Now you, if you are capable.

            1. If you saw Dudley handing me cash at a gun control event and then saw me getting arrested protesting it, would you think he paid me to do it?

            2. Would you question my motivations if I told you I had my expenses paid agitating the pols website in favor of guns?

            3. If I told you I would pay your bail to break the law on a issue you are passionate about, would you do it?

            4. Would you be willing, assuming you could not afford bail, to cover the additional expenses of legal representation, fines or court costs associated with your crime post bailout?

            5. If so, how much would it take to get you to break the law on something you were indifferent about?

            • mamajama55 says:

              Yours: 1. Who exactly is this "Soros funded consultant" and how do you know he/she is paid by Soros? Linda Sarsour is active in many organizations: Muslim, Women's March, Black Lives Matter, and more….all of them self-sustaining.

              The site that Schindler posts on is the Russian state media platform RT. Do you have a problem re-posting Russian propaganda? If not, why not?

              2. Good on you. You are as gutsy as the protesting women are. Free speech is for all, not just those with whom we agree.

              3. Free speech is not a crime. You may want to read the amendment before your favorite one.

              My answers:

              1. If Dudley had advertised beforehand, as CDP did, that they would "provide support with jail and bail", then no.  2. Yes. Do you? 3. My convictions and not your $$ would be the deciding factor.  4. Probably not. 5. If I were indifferent, I wouldn't protest. Duh!

               

              • Negev says:

                The man handing out the money is Vinay Krishnan, Consultant for CPD.

                We can agree free speech is not a crime. Disturbing the peace is. Planning it ahead of time is conspiracy. 

                Your answers:

                You would not think Dudley paid me to get arrested if he advertised that he would pay me to get arrested beforehand? but, 

                You would question my motivations if you found I had support for expenses associated with promoting my issue on pols.(I don't)

                You state your convictions would compel you to break the law, not the money, but are unwilling to cover the costs associated with defending your convictions. 

                So why would a woman, unable to post $35-$50 bail, accept bail money in order to pay for a mere fraction of the costs of getting arrested for a protest she would rightfully, from your own personal convictions, do for free?

                 

                 

                 

                 

                • mamajama55 says:

                  Mister word twister: Somewhere, sometime, cash is definitely changing hands. With sinister intent. RT told you so.

                  The main Russian state media outlet wouldn't lie to you, would they? The Kremlin wouldn't have any hold over Kavanaugh or Trump, would they? That's a question you didn't answer, by the way…do you have a problem re-posting Russian propaganda, and if not, why not?

                  All you gunheads used to be anti-Communist and anti-Russian after the Berlin wall fell. When did that change? And why are you so het up over this? No guns or ammo are involved. When did you evolve from being a single-issue guy? Is nothing sacred anymore?

                  No, I wouldn't have a problem with Dudley Brown paying your bail. Or your mom, either, for that matter. Hell, I'd pay it myself. Are we in a conspiracy now? Because it's not as fun as I thought it would be.

                  In fact, I'm going to post some links for bail funds right now:

                  Colorado Freedom Fund posts funds for those unable to afford bail. Bonds are gifts, not loans.

                  How to donate to bail funds using bloc chain.

                  By the way, someone with no prior convictions typically pays 10% of the costs for bail. So $50 guarantees a $500 bail amount. An old friend who passed away years ago always used to keep a $50 in her wallet in case she got arrested. That's to answer your last question. I've bailed out friends and family, haven't needed it myself. So far.

                  The funds exchanged, if any, were for bail, as the protest organizers promised.  CPD and the Women’s March were not "paying for protesting".

                  Center for Popular Democracy Action Fund may or may not be Soros-funded – I don't really care. I agree with their organizing the Kavanaugh protests, along with Women's March and NARAL,  and I applaud their helping people to post bail if they are jailed for protesting.

                  The Kavnaugh confirmation hearing is illegitimate, to confirm someone who rightfully should have been impeached for perjury in his former judgeship, and against all the prior rules and norms of the Senate. There's evidence that Judge Kennedy's decision to suddenly retire was also due to Russian pressure; his son was a director of the Deutsche Bank.  If more norms and rules were broken protesting that, more power to them. There you have it.

                  • Conserv. Head Banger says:

                    RT = Russia Times. End of discussion regarding these accounts and photos having any credibility.

                    • Davie says:

                      Negev is excited because Kavanaugh is a bigger ammosexual than he is.  Dreams of personal nukes finally coming on the market to sell get him hot and bothered.

                  • Negev says:

                    Um, the link to Vinay was not RT. 

                    You are confusing paying bail to someone in jail who can't afford it and fronting money for bail on a crime that has not been committed. Call CFF and ask them to front you bail money before you commit a crime, see what they say.

                    If there is an agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime some time in the future it is a conspiracy. You would not consider these fair maidens guilty of collusionnow, would you? I hear that's bad. 

                    If you pay bail money prior to the crime you are aware that the person being paid is intent on committing a crime and you are guilty of conspiracy.  That's pretty simple. 

                    Easy fix – go bail them out. Whip out your satchel of money at the PD and your protester is free. In fact, in terms of efficiency, go bail 10 out every hour and skip the hassle of one on one $35 expenditures. 

                    The fact that these payments are made on an individual, pre crime basis suggesting that conspiracy to commit a crime is less risky than a trip to the pokey to bust out your protesters defies logic and further raises question to the legitimacy of the movement. 

                    And now a value has been established in which you can purchase a protestors deep, honest and heartfelt opinion, at $35. I see nothing more degrading. No wonder there were only 217 of them. 

                    • Conserv. Head Banger says:

                      The RT involvement, for me, renders the whole thread irrelevant. This seems like a repeat of the David Daleiden fake entrapment videos of Planned Parenthood a few years ago.

                    • mamajama55 says:

                      See CHB's on-point reply below. This is exactly like the PP fake "fetal parts sale" videos.

                      Negev has built (or reposted from fringe sites): a  huge fantasy infrastructure: Criminal Conspiracy! Collusion! Soros paying protesters! Illegitimate protest! Distraction! Diversion! built on the frail scaffolding of a possibly fake video taken by a right wing shill on a Russian propaganda site.

                      Nobody knows if  protesters were paid by anyone – the only thing we know for sure is that CDP and the Women's March guaranteed bail. Nobody can check up on amounts donated because the CDP site has been down, probably hacked, for the last 2 days.

                      Again, the Kavanaugh hearing itself is illegitimate. The whole thing reeks of Trumpstink. From the Garland non-vote to the Kennedy resignation to the refusal to hear the Bush torture evidence, the obvious anti-abortion bias,  the sports gambling debts mysteriously paid off, the lying under oath, the rush to elect Kavanaugh anyway.

                      A little disruption by protesters pales in comparison to the gigantic, corrupt pile of fetid sludge burying the Judicial branch of our government.

                      Oh yeah, and call your senators again.

                    • Negev says:

                      You guys referring to the baby parts selling fiasco that Planned Parenthoods business partners have proven true and settled for $7.8 million? 

                      I am all for social protest. I did it ad nauseum for the Colorado gun laws in 2013. I watched the Dem majority pay lip service to the protests of the many while they tweeted and texted, just waiting for the hearings to end, knowing that all the fuss would be over soon and they could move on with their pre-conceived agenda. It was very frustrating.

                      So I am with you. I am pro choice, pro protest and support everyone's right to make a stand against what they feel is unjust. 

                      I just know you are pissing in the wind and can't help but feel a little sweet revenge creep up my spine for the way you treated those who were in the position you are in today. 

                      What I can guarantee is that if it were the Dems and not Republicans who were in this position, with a similar nominee, there would be absolutely no difference in the treatment of the opposition than what you saw this week. 

                      You reap what you sow. 

                       

                    • JohnInDenver says:

                      Negev –

                      Your link to the " You guys referring to the baby parts selling fiasco that Planned Parenthood admitted to and settled for $7.8 million?  "

                      shows your legal skills need a bit of a brush up.

                      The firms involved in that were DV Biologics LLC and sister company DaVinci Biosciences LLC.   Not Planned Parenthood.

                      Prosecuted by Dist. Atty. Tony Rackauckas, a stalwart Republican, Surely, if there had been a connection, he would have included Planned Parenthood in the criminal complaint and negotiated to shut them down, as well. At the very least, he would have mentioned the connection.

                      Referrals from Deladion to the Justice Department under Sessions happened in early 2917 — thus far, no announcement of charges.

                    • Negev says:

                      Corrected. The dealer settled, not the trafficker.

                      Two of Planned Parenthood’s business partners, DaVinci Biosciences and DV Biologics, have admitted guilt in a $7.8 million settlement with the Orange County District Attorney for selling aborted baby body parts from Planned Parenthood of Orange & San Bernardino Counties for profit in violation of federal and California law. The OCDA’s press release credits citizen journalism reporting from The Center for Medical Progress for prompting the investigation of baby body parts trafficking in Orange County.

        • JohnInDenver says:

          Negev:

          Did you object to the payment to people to join in as Trump supporters at an announcement or at one of his rallies? How about the models paid for political commercials? What about those who allowed Russians to pay for the props used at an anti-Hillary protest? Those who donated to the defense funds for the Charlottesville protestors?

          Given the rt source, did you object to paying appearance fees for a celebration of the tenth anniversary of Russia Today?

          Or are you simply concerned about the purity of motives for those involved with protests at Senate hearings?

          • Negev says:

             I don't object to any of it, not even the Senate hearing protests. Just don't expect be to believe it once the cash starts flowing. I certainly don't expect you to believe that paid signature gatherers give two shits about whether they succeed in recalling Morse or Giron, but it appeared to be important that issue stayed "grass roots" to the opposition for some reason. 

            Politics and money go hand in hand. Both parties do it. They do it undercover because it dilutes the purity of the cause when exposed. These guys got busted. It happens. The organic legitimacy of the protest is tarnished, and you can defend, accuse, or ignore it however you see fit, you will never convince the opposition your intent was not financially motivated once you see money changing hands. 

             

    • RepealAndReplace says:

      Negev, I thought your side worships at the altar of the free market.

      • Negev says:

        If you let the market decide if paying people to support legitimises the cause I think you would be disappointed in the results.

        I think you could consider this insider trading in the marketplace. 

      • ParkHill says:

        Wrong. Negev worships at the altar of guns. 1st amendment protects idolatry of gun religion.

        Libertarianism is a cult, so I guess it falls under the 1st amendment as well.

  5. itlduso says:

    Welcome back, Barack.

  6. MichaelBowman says:

    The market is barking pretty loud on this one…

    Nike sales reportedly up 31 percent online after Colin Kaepernick campaign

    While some people, including the President of the United States, are outraged by Nike's choice to feature Kaepernick in the company's 30th anniversary Just Do It ad, consumers appear to be purchasing products at a quick clip.

  7. RepealAndReplace says:

    Why is there an ad for Timmy Neville on the masthead for THIS site?

    Assuming Moderatus and/or Negev live in SD 16, is there any possibility either is thinking of voting for Tammy Story? And they need to be reminded?

  8. Duke Cox says:

    We are now witnessing the first overt actions of the Pence administration.

    Anyone who saw his performance on Face the Nation this morning cannot conclude otherwise. Pence, Mattis, Kelly, Miller, Sessions….they are ALL behind it. It is a carefully crafted attempt to subvert governance by a madman to governance by dishonest zealots.

    Any Republican Senator who votes to place Kavanaugh is accepting complicity in subversion of our democracy. History will not be kind to those who let this charade go forward.

     

    • MichaelBowman says:

      Let's not forget the rotten seed that picked Pence (or the chaos leading up to the announcement).

      CBS News reported that Pence was Manafort's "first choice" and that Manafort even lied about mechanical problems on Trump's plane to make the soon-to-be GOP nominee stay an extra day in Indiana to get to know Pence. In a phone call, Manafort assured Trump that Pence was the right choice and made a case that won over the real estate tycoon. 

       

    • mamajama55 says:

      I read that transcript of today's Face the Nation episode. I saw it differently than you did, Duke. To me, it looked like the Hunger Games.

      What I saw was two people (Pence, RNC Chair McDaniel) terrified and trying desperately to prove their loyalty, grovelling ridiculously and praising the Beloved Leader unceasingly.

      It reminds me of how Hitler's and Mussolini's staff rallied around them, of how Kim Jong Un's and Duterte's staff deifies them,  of how every autocrat demands unquestioning 100% loyalty….or else. If Pence is secretly undermining Trump, he's being pretty cagey about it. But we already knew he's a hypocritical snake. He exploits his religious beliefs in the service of politics. "Holy War" is a real concern under a Pence administration.

      Meanwhile, the rest of the panel, composed of journalists, Democratic Senator Warner, DNC Chair Perez, were more reality-based.

      I loved how the moderator, Margaret Brennan, repeatedly questioned RNC Chair McDaniel about if Ted Cruz is really "likeable". (Spoiler alert: He's not). I would have enjoyed seeing Cory Gardner as chair of the NRSC, smile and spout glibberish in response to Brennan's questioning.

       

      • Voyageur says:

        Actually, Hitler an d Mussolini both had disloyal aides.  Albert Speer undercut his efforteffortds to destroy Germany.  Mussolini's son-in-law worked to help Italy switch sides.   He was executed for it.

        • mamajama55 says:

          Like Trump, Hitler demanded loyalty to him personally…and got it, for the most part, apart from the odd assassination plot or two.

          The point is that autocrats demand personal loyalty, not loyalty to country or a constitution. That's part of what makes them autocrats. They also have to command the unquestioning loyalty of the military, which I don't think that Trump has….yet. I don't think he'll get it, either, with the way he treats "his generals" and his reckless adventurism in the middle east, North Korea, Venezuela, etc.

          I don't remember any similar dynamic with Obama, or even with Bush. Their veeps, cabinet and advisers treated them with humor and respect, but remained their own people, retaining agency and their own points of view. 

          Bush, Jr kind of embraced the role of bumbling fool in his second term, all but abdicating to Cheney.

          We're not 1930s Germany, though. Our democracy is more robust, and he doesn't have the popular support that Hitler had.  We don't have the history of a crushing defeat that Germany had. All Trump has is white anxiety and fear of loss of privilege. His core base will never be more than 30-40%.

          Trump unquestionably wants to be an autocrat like his buddy Putin; however, he lacks the support of the military, the majority of the American people, and, so far at least, complete subordination of the other two co-equal branches of government, although he’s working on corrupting the Judicial branch pretty hard with the Kavanaugh nomination.

          • Conserv. Head Banger says:

            Maybe let's cool it with the comparisons to Hitler? I would never see Trump trying to send people for execution. Mussolini on the other hand……

            There are better authoritarian autocrats today with whom would-be Don Trump can be compared to. Begin with Putin. Continue with Erdogan, Maduro, Duterte, and perhaps even Viktor Orban.

            • Pseudonymous says:

              We’ve seen this one coming: In April, Trump called President Rodrigo Duterte to praise his bloody crackdown on drugs in the Philippines, which has reportedly killed as many as 12,000 people. “I just wanted to congratulate you because I am hearing of the unbelievable job on the drug problem,” he said, referring to Duterte’s extrajudicial, state-sanctioned murder program. “Many countries have the problem, we have a problem, but what a great job you are doing and I just wanted to call and tell you that.” The idea apparently stuck with Trump: Last week, Axios reported that Trump has continued privately raising the possibility of executing drug dealers, as Singapore does. [emphasis mine] “He says that a lot,” one source recalled. “He says, ‘When I ask the prime minister of Singapore do they have a drug problem [the prime minister replies,] ‘No. Death penalty.’”

              Trump Stops Caring, Starts Calling for Executions

      • Duke Cox says:

        I get your point, but it just sounded like smoke being blown up T***ps' ass to settle his nerves ☺                                      

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