Weekend Open Thread

“Voting is as much an emotional act as it is an intellectual one.”

–Monica Crowley

33 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. Voyageur says:

    Town crier reports:

    Midnight, and all's not well.

    There is Trumpstink afoot in the land.

    Stay upwind, America.

  2. Voyageur says:

    So, Madco, I had no right to send a check to Morgan Carroll two years ago because I didn't live in the district?

    Morgan didn't see it that way.

    As for "solid data", how about counting the votes in the primary?

    But don't worry.  If your candidate wins, I'll follow your orders and refuse to send him any money for the general election.


  3. Diogenesdemar says:

    I guess I’m feeling old . . .

    . . .  old enough to remember when sports was (mostly) about the athletes and participants and athletic performance.

    On it goes, the perfectly scripted games, with Law Enforcement Appreciation Night in Dallas and anti-police protests outside a Kings game in Sacramento. Sports have been remade since Sept. 11, and nobody seems to care. People even acknowledge paid patriotism to be a deception, but have decided incongruously that it’s a “harmless deception.” Ultimately, I reached another conclusion: I no longer ask “How did we get here” but “How do we get out of here?” and do we even care enough to try?

    How Did Our Sports Get So Divisive?


    Althougb I still participate in, and enjoy watching, a number of amateur athletics,  I have no desire any more to watch any professional sports.  I’ve asked myself if it’s the ridiculous hype, the crazy cost that must be born now by every shoe and athletic gear and apparel buying family, the taxpayer subsidized multi-millionaire players and owners, our fucked-up societal priorities, the loss of unscheduled childhood afternoon games of pickup ball without parental and organized pressure to excel, my advancing age, or, maybe the faux patriotic polititization? . . .


  4. DavidThi808 says:

    Israel won Eurovision. It was a song that only makes sense in Eurovision.

    My favorite was Ireland and they did poorly.

    • mamajama55 says:

      Has anyone ever tried to do a multi-continent version of this, like with Asian and African and Latin American stars?

      Some students are learning about the 1936 Olympics in Berlin with Jesse Owens exploding Hitler's dreams of the Master Race. 

      It got me thinking; We could do a pop song summit with North Korea,  a dance-off with Iran, and save the world a lot of trouble and heartache.

      It would make about as much sense as Trump's foreign policy – whatever that is….today.

      • Voyageur says:

        It's a shopworn liberal myth that Jesse Owens' brilliant individual performance somehow "exploded Hitler's dreams of the master race."

        In fact, Germany easily won the medal count competition, with 33 golds to 24 for second place USA.  Hitler gained great prestige from hosting the games as well as Germany's overall dominance of the competition.  It is fair to say that Owens was the most brilliant individual athlete at the games.  But Hitler was thrilled, not embarassed, by Germany's overall excellence.

        • Duke Cox says:

          …and you cite? 

          I have not heard that particular take, V. Are the two results mutually contradictory? …or you just feeling like bashing liberals this fine morning?

          Oh…I guess that was last night..☺

          • Voyageur says:

            Facts is facts, Duke.  Google 1936 Olympics medals.  The shame, of course, is that for all Owens'greatness, he was still victimised by racism upon returning to the U.S.

      • DavidThi808 says:

        The EBU (they own/run Eurovision) has worked with groups for both an Asian and African version. And I think if we did ever see this happening with say 5 or 6 regions on the globe, they could then create a world championship where the top 4 or 5 from each compete.

        But I don't think it'll happen. The other efforts always seem to fall apart. It's hard to match the combination of what makes Eurovision so compelling.

  5. Davie says:

    The New York Times editorial board suggests that California should take another big step as a laboratory for democracy.  Republicans are already marginalized in a state with 45% Democratic Party registration.  Moderates could cut loose from the remaining RWNJ's by starting a third party to provide a stronger voice tempering rampant tribal partisanship.

    …if a third party has a chance anywhere in the United States, it’s in California. The state allows the two candidates who get the most votes in a so-called open primary, regardless of party affiliation, to advance to the general election. This should, in theory, make it easier for centrist and independent candidates who appeal to both right and left, like Mr. Schwarzenegger, who has never neatly fit into the Republican Party and is often the target of potshots from Mr. Trump. One former Republican, Steve Poizner, is already running as an independent for state insurance commissioner, a position he held from 2007 to 2011. That decision seems wise, given that the Republican candidates for governor and senator will probably not be among the top two vote-getters in the state’s primary on June 5.

    It helps, too, that an independent commission, rather than legislators, draws California’s electoral districts, making its districts more competitive than in other states.

    Colorado doesn't have the jungle primary system like California's (ranked choice would be better, IMHO),  but we have taken the first steps to give the unaffiliated a greater voice (should they choose to use it) in our primaries.  Plus, the legislature just passed two measures that will be on the ballot for determining how redistricting will be done to increase competitiveness.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the political landscape is radically different in five years or so because I don't believe the current toxic atmosphere is sustainable, thus setting in motion another swing of the pendulum.

    • MADCO says:

      "independent commission"

      Elected or appointed?
      Mathematical or social?

      I like to think what it would be like if the representative ratio today was anywhere close to what it was in 1920.
      Or if we just had real proportional representation now – CA and Wyoming, for example

      • Davie says:

        Dunno, I don't live in California.  Probably need technical background in statistics, demographics and a few other 'ics'.  Appointed, probably from a list of nominees/applicants — maybe hired consultants, sort of like the CBO or the staff scorekeepers that do the non-partisan analysis for the lege, right?

        But as to your other points, I've thought for years that we need to expand the number of congresscritters to about 5,000 or so — to as you say, get the representative ratio back to something that would at least help with personally knowing your rep.  That would get CA and WY back in proportion as a bonus.

        Of course, with that many representatives, we'd need to make a few changes in the way legislation is created (single subject, study groups to debate and present the pros and cons to the whole assembly, fewer procedural blocks to eliminate gridlock – just up or down votes, etc.)

  6. mamajama55 says:

    UPDATE: PEA members voted to end strike. Congrats on making the district negotiate, finally.

    Congratulations and Happy Mother's (and Others) Day to Pueblo teachers and paraprofessionals, who forced the district to come up with a 2% cost of living increase. Union members are voting on the deal today, probably at this moment.

    photo from brandsauthority news

    It took a week of walking picket lines for the district to take the educators seriously and stop "playing poor" (while paying consultants, administrators, and testing companies millions), but come up with 2% cola they did.

    Union sisters and brothers, I'm proud of you, thank you, and enjoy a day with your family. I will.


    h/t to the skinny cook for pointing out the story to me.

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