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April 10, 2006 08:00 AM UTC
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Once again, Colorado Pols shows its complete bias toward Holtzman in the R Gov race, knowing that Holtzman would be an easy win for Ritter.
CoPols deletes nearly half of the story–oddly enough, the part that is pro-Beauprez, and the part that makes Dick Leggit look like the crazy jackass he is. “He’ll debate us when they see us breathing down their necks.” Dick sounds a bit like a stalker…
Here is another major quote CoPols left out:
“My guess is if (the Beauprez campaign) is saying ‘no debates’ they have polling data saying they have no problems,” said GOP political consultant Katy Atkinson. “If you’re way ahead, you have nothing to win and everything to lose from debating. It gives your opponent exposure.”
Gee, Dick, could it be that you aren’t breathing down their necks, and you just are trying to get media attention for your fizzling campaign?
Did anyone else watch how funny Holtzman looked at those debates? Maybe if he knew a little more about Colorado he’d sound more intelligent up on stage. All that time in Switzerland might have starting to hurt him…
Beauprez did the right thing – when your opponent is desperate and has no chance of winning, why submit to those blatant attacks? The Seymour 527 won’t help MH either when it starts spewing more false allegations…
We assume you’re referring to this section: “My guess is if (the Beauprez campaign) is saying ‘no debates’ they have polling data saying they have no problems,” said GOP political consultant Katy Atkinson. “If you’re way ahead, you have nothing to win and everything to lose from debating. It gives your opponent exposure.”
Like we said, if you were going to pull out of debating, you should have done it awhile ago; doing it now looks bad. If you had polling data that showed you were far ahead and didn’t need to debate, why would you have already engaged in the debates at all?
So Dick Leggit can’t come out and say Beauprez never debated us, what is he hiding from? The media coverage has been clear about these debates–Holtzman has been attacking Beauprez, breaking debate rules, and making an ass of himself while making the audience uncomfortable.
Now, CoPols, I ask you: If you were scheduled to again debate someone you have debated before who has proven twice to not follow debate rules, speaks out of turn, uses underhanded tactics, and acts like a 15 year old on stage, would you enter debate on stage with this person?
If Holtzman cannot even uphold the respect a quality political debate demands, why should Colorado Republicans trust him to uphold the respect of the great state of Colorado?
Just for support, and a reminder of how Holtzman is acting (from the RMN):
“A belligerent Holtzman took aim at Beauprez at the end of a recent debate in Grand Junction, saying he supported big spending by Congress and has waffled on the illegal immigration issue. Holtzman launched his broadside at the very end of the debate. With no opportunity to reply, Beauprez could only stare at him.”
“The approach upset some audience members, who moved to the stage afterward to offer Beauprez back-pats of support.”
Once again the BB cronies follow with the Analogy of the Annointed. BB is weak (at best) on numerous fronts. Whether it be Illegal Immigration, Taxes, Veterans Issues, and the list goes on and on. The mere fact that Wayne Williams talked the BB people into creating a phony Veteran for Beauprez Committe is lame. What veteran in their right mind would support BB? I know, Bill Clinton. Then again, he wasn’t a Veteran either.
The problems facing the BB Campaign is that the Pandora’s Box is opening and people are finding out about this guy. Tehy don’t want that to happen. The way this was supposed to play out is that BB would get all the support in the world, and no one would oppose him.. Thus he is angry. How dare Holtzman!!!
The days of Annointing the Potato Queen by kissing the Golden Ring need to end. Republicans talk a “Good Talk”, but consistently fail to “Walk the Walk.” BB was supposed to get the Governor’s seat by acclimation and nothing less.
Hey BB People, this isn’t the Vatican and we aren’t annointing another Cardinal. How about addressing his liberal record in Congress instead of pretending it never existed. They say you run Conservative and move Moderate when ruling in office. BB went way too far for most Coloradans and that’s “HIS” problem. Again, simply because you put a cow in a garage does not make it a barn.
Givemeabreak-
You also neglected to mention the part where it talks about Katy supporting Beauprez, making her not as credible for information as John or Bob. And Givemeabreak and funny guy – you’re obviously the same person, so feel free to give it up.
Like it or hate it, BB saying he’s not going to debate anymore makes him sound like a little kid. BB knew how MH was going to debate after Grand Junction and he didn’t adequately prepare himself for the second debate. Plain and simple.
The American Conservative Union today announced that Congressman Beauprez earned a 100% rating in 2005.
From the release:
“In the House, 38 Republicans scored a perfect 100% conservative rating in 2005, including newly elected House Majority Leader John Boehner (OH) and Republican Study Committee Chairman Mike Pence (IN),” said ACU Chairman David A. Keene. “This is down from 48 members scoring a perfect 100% rating in 2004, indicating the greater difficulty of holding the ideological line given the pressures to unify around the previous GOP leadership. Yet, both years represented more conservatism than in 2003, when only two Congressmen received perfect scores.”
Way to go mrhandy–now, where is Holtzman’s voting record and ratings from conservative watchdogs concerning his voting? Oh, that’s right, he can’t have any; he has no experience.
Well, “Are you kidding me,” we are diferent people. However, using your reasoning, that means that you and mrhandy are the same people right? Or could it be that two individuals who support the same candidate could POSSIBLY be on CoPols. No, you are right, that is just crazy!
ColoradoPols continual bias in favor of Holtzman is just plain silly – he’s clearly the more dangerous candidate for democrats. Just look at this analysis from the cherry creek news – http://www.thecherrycreeknews.com/content/view/450/2/ “Democrats be warned. This year, with the tables turned on the Republicans, a break the mold (and the china) underdog like Holtzman is far more likely to catch fire.” Beauprez’s failings are his own problem, and he needs to get his house in order to withstand the primaries. But better he doesn’t, IMHO. Democratic panderers are just setting themselves up for a backfire.
mrhandy2001, “Hey BB People, this isn’t the Vatican and we aren’t annointing another Cardinal.” Well said. I may have to steal that line down the road.
May the best man win and if the voters have anything to say about it, perhaps he will. I’m not voting for either of them; I’m a Ritter girl, but that does not negate the fact that you are right on target with your observations.
Oh I do love a good fight. PSSST-BB fans, Mark says you are all fat and ugly. PSSST-MH fans. BB says you guys are just weinies and stupid. Take off the gloves and get bloody! I love it when Repubs go after eachother! Must be Primary Season in Colorado! My favorite time of the year!
Without a speech writer, Beauprez has difficulty speaking about anything but the dairy cows, the family farm, and the mud on his shoes. Debates harm him tremendously, because he must speak spontaneously and think quickly on his feet. He hates criticism, even when valid, and takes it very personally.
So let BB think that Holtzman is a bully for asking him to defend his voting and political record in Congress. Let him take his ball and go home. The less we see and hear from Beauprez, the better off Colorado voters will be, in my opinion.
Well, if I’m wrong then I’m and I freely admit it. And it’s completely possible that two people on here hate Marc, but not usually with the same writing style and same use of punctuation…
I meant to say, If I’m wrong, then I’m wrong and I’ll freely admit it.
Sorry, not enough coffee this morning.
Dutchman,
You’re so right. Democrats are scared to death of Marc Holtzman and his powerful campaign. Please, oh please, don’t nominate him, I beg of you. Please. He’d mop the floor with Bill Ritter.
As a Democrat, I sure hope Holtzman’s not the one, because we wouldn’t stand a chance against him. Immigration is clearly the biggest issue of our lifetimes, and Marc’s got us dead to rights on that one. All I can do is plead with the Republicans here not to support him. Oh please.
Immigration “the biggest issue of our lifetime”?
Uhh, global warming, energy supply and demand, water, ecological collapse, WW3, bird flu…
JoshPenryisGOD,
I think Terb was being sarcastic. At least I hope he was.
As a Congressman, Beauprez should be able to garner enough free press to make his positions on taxes and mass immigration known, thus making Holtzman’s attacks ineffectual…if they’re not true.
Right now, I view Beauprez the same way that I view Owens: as a big-government Republican.
Regardless of who’s in office, mass immigration and taxes will continue to have a symbiotic relationship. They won’t go away with the election of a Democrat. Doing nothing is what many in the Hispanic community (presumably Ritter voters) are demanding. Today. Doing nothing guarantees water rationing/higher rates, high taxes, under-performing schools, urban sprawl, pollution, depressed wages, balkinization, higher crime, and probably, ultimately, violence. (Though careful to avoid the term “race war”, the LA Times has reported a number of brown/black killings and assaults that seem to be motivated solely by race, NOT gang related. This has led to some Kumbaya moments that were as effective as a virtual fence.)
I certainly don’t envy any of these men. However, pandering for votes by ignoring or trying to nuance a position on mass immigration will only exacerbate all of the problems associated with massive population growth. To deny it is dishonest, to do nothing is criminal.
The only one I’m sure of is Holtzman.
Said it before and I will say it again….
I have been receiving a constant deluge of Email, Phone Calls, and Postal Mail from Marc Holtzman’s campaing. I would have to be an idiot to not be aware of his position on the issues or of his vison for the state.
Though at the same time, I have received 1 mailing from Bob Beauprez’s team. The usual littany of Bob is great, along with a bunch of high profile endorsements, but nothing solid on his positions on the issues, or his vision for the state.
While endorsements are always nice, I can’t say that I make the decision on who to vote for based on what other politicians think is best. Last time I checked, I am perfectly able and willing to make my decisions without their input.
So Far, it seems to be Marc 1 – Bob 0
Imagine Ritter bailing on debates with Ritter. This latest Beauprez flap is just more of the same from this weak man. We need someone who can beat Ritter in the debates. That’s Holtzman. He’s tough. Beauprez seems physically frail to me when I’m shaking hands or talking to him.
I think he’s withholding health information.
I think it’s funny that the Holtzman supporters take everything being said about Marc and try to turn that on Bob. To say that the 6’2″ farmer Beauprez is “physically frail” when lollypop Marc needs to stand on steps to have his picture taken is just silly. And funny! And to attack Beauprez’s record when Holtzman has none? REALLY funny!
I hate knowing that the Democrats on this site just love watching Holtzman and crew rip apart the GOP. Marc and Dick don’t care who they destroy as long as they win. Which is ironic, because they can’t win. They can only destroy. And that’s not very funny.
I kind of prefer watching BB’s sorry supporters cry wahhhhh! when MH’s team lands a punch. Both sides are responsible for the mud and blood.
The reason BB won’t debate is he is afraid he’ll say something to offend his bosses — Owens, Coors and Benson. Colorado wants a Governor who will stand up to the country club Republicans — not jump when they say jump. We need a Governor who will stand for something and it’s pretty obvious that’t not Both Ways Bob!
Water Grab Walcher demonstrated how well B.O.’s brownnosers do on the Western Slope. I just hope that Both Way Bob and Swiss-Miss Holtzman keep up the attacks on eachother. So very, very fun!
“We need a Governor who will stand for something and it’s pretty obvious that’t not Both Ways Bob!”
Now that is funny! You obviously haven’t been paying attention – Beauprez is the only candidate for governor who knows how to stand for something. He doesn’t need focus groups or a fancy motorhome. He knows where he stands, and I think that’s why Holtzman is so intimidated by him…
Do you folks want an actual debate or do you want BB and MH to stand around and rattle off selected talking points from their LDD speeches? Its becoming obvious the BB folks would prefer the latter.
A candidate of any talent deflects uncivil debate with humor, self-effacing style, and a sunny outlook. Ronald Reagan’s “there you go again” comment comes to mind. Surprisingly, for someone of his caliber, Bob just seems to react with a rigid, deer-in-the-headlights sort of look. Now he sounds like he’s taking his marbles home and won’t play with that big meanie Marc any more.
I’d say there’s a guy in a chicken costume in Bob’s future.
There is a simple solution to all of this, BB should send Gigi Dennis in his place to debate Holtzman. Beauprez doesn’t have to directly debate Holtzman but his running mate will so it doesn’t look like he’s completely backing out. He gets to have it both ways!
Both Ways Bob is an idiot… He was stupid to ever think he could beat Holtzman in a debate where Holtzman was not physically muzzled. The guy is a Phyz Ed major for goodness sakes! Debate? What are you nuts? If he can steal Marc’s speaches, maybe.
It is obvious to me the only health problem Both Ways Bob suffers from is a lack of testicles and skeletal bones along his spinal column.
Beauprez fired his campaign manager, Jack St. Martin, last week. John Marshall is running the show now, and we can all chalk this up to his first mistake as CM.
By the way Funny Guy…. Who the hell are you? The Plumber, Go Raiders, and I have been around for around a year now… You? You just showed up last month! What the hell do you know?
Why don’t you take your weak ass Both Ways Bob arguements, and your severe lack of logic and go back to whatever Congretional Office they hired you out of. I’m pretty sure the San Diego CD needs someone new to lead tours through the Capitol.
Jack St. Martin got fired… Did he ever really get hired?
That is funny as hell though! We have Katy Atkinson in the article noted above saying how Bob is doing so good he doesn’t need to debate anymore. As a matter of fact, Bob is doing so well he fired his Campaign Manager!
ROFL!
“Posted by Wahhhhhhh
April 10th, 2006 at 11:12 am
A candidate of any talent deflects uncivil debate with humor, self-effacing style, and a sunny outlook. Ronald Reagan’s “there you go again” comment comes to mind. Surprisingly, for someone of his caliber, Bob just seems to react with a rigid, deer-in-the-headlights sort of look. Now he sounds like he’s taking his marbles home and won’t play with that big meanie Marc any more.
I’d say there’s a guy in a chicken costume in Bob’s future.”
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I was at the first debate, and Bob did a great job deflecting with humor. He had almost the whole room laughing–even some Holtzman supporters. Maybe you should know what you are talking about before you post??
I can see the next Beauprez press fiasco… I mean success now…
“Claudia has done such a great job as the Chair Chick of Heritage Bank, that we are going to sell our interest in the bank. This will allow the average folks of Colorado to invest in this mega-bank Washington Mutal, extending their influence outside of Colorado”… Ha, ha!
First Debate sez
“I was at the first debate, and Bob did a great job deflecting with humor. He had almost the whole room laughing–even some Holtzman supporters. Maybe you should know what you are talking about before you post??”
I sure agree with your arguments Deb, especially about Bob doing such a great job. Problem is, hardly anyone else does – least of all Bob – and that’s why his campaign has decided to go French.
So does this mean Bob has labeled Marc the rogue candidate?
Marc showed up for the debate and actually (GASP!) debated?!?!
How rude.
Posted by Funny Guy: “Beauprez is the only candidate for governor who knows how to stand for something. He doesn’t need focus groups or a fancy motorhome. He knows where he stands, and I think that’s why Holtzman is so intimidated by him…”
I hope Beauprez will be kind enough to let the rest of know where he stands at some point.
Yeah, he doesn’t need an RV… He just needs his helicopter.
The only thing the Beauprez camp can talk about is electability. But how is Beauprez going to separate himself from Bush? Bush clearly isn’t popular right now and Beauprez is one of the Bush lackies. In other words he is one of Bush’s main cheerleaders, but Colorado wants a conservative who isn’t afraid to oppose bad ideas like amnesty. Even if those ideas come from another powerful Republican.
John Mar…I mean Funny guy,
Ever heard of media training? You might want to get yourself and your boss some before you try to wrangle the newsies. Your current efforts don’t seem to be playing too well. Maybe when you get done blowing your most recent opportunity to be his campaign manager, Bob will “promote” you to deputy campaign manager again.
Well it looks like this latest press stunt has crashed and burned!
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Who wants to bet the Beauprez campaign workers are at the CB Potts off Arapahoe working on their resumГ©s and getting drunk on Cosmopolitans?
Is that where they hang out?
Considering how poorly they have performed so far, I’d say Bob’s staff spends too much time at CB Potts as is.
Christ what a fiasco. Both Ways Bob finds just the right message to embarass himself. Everyone will believe that five foot whatever Marc Holtzman is ritually roughing up big, six foot whatever Bob Beauprez each time they debate.
Yeah right.
This is proof positive that each time Bob opens his mouth, he loses votes.
Smooth move firing his Campaign Manager… I hope Bob feels good about it today after what is left of his staff gave him such a nice press day.
WAKE UP COLORADO! BOTH WAYS BOB BEAUPREZ IS TOO STUPID TO BE OUR GOVERNOR!
Wolfpack,
He’s still better than a male who’d call himself a Democrat.
How about a Chicken who calls himself a Hawk?
The ACU (American Conservative Union), like other beltway cronies is simply shaping the format of their observations (votes) to make things look better than they truly are. How can any organization giver BB a 100% rating when he rates a 68% and 76% respectively on tax issues? How can the ACU give him a perfect 100% rating when he voted against Bush on the “NO” issue with Iraq?
If you believe this crap, then you are truly as stupid as you sound. BB has youse guys sounding like a bunch from the Bronx, with dark suits and a lame attitude and zero knowledge. Bob probably paid the ACU, whom no one truly ever heard of. If you want to talk about Conservative Groups, how about FCM (Fund for a Conservative Majority) they have been around much longer than ACU and I bet they don’t score BB nearly as high.
100% my ass!!! 100% of nothing equals nothing. BB is the prime example of the straw man. oors, Benson, and Owens haven’t grasped the concept. Wait until BO decides to run again. My guess is that he wont get elected Dog Catcher.
Can you say “Denial?” No its not a river in Egypt.
Have to say, I am currently enjoying my oors Beer… se post above.
Go Marc Go! Both ways Bob is falling apart!! The guy needs to return to milking his cows and stop crying about getting beat up during debates. How pathetic is both ways Bob anyway??
you actually ENJOY coors?
[…] Yesterday the Rocky Mountain News reported that Bob Beauprez was going to forego any future debates: “It would be useful to the voters if Marc wanted to talk about the issues, but he’s now proven he’s incapable of civil debate,” campaign spokesmanВ John Marshall told the News. “He’s more interested in calling names. Holtzman is desperate for attention.” […]