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December 01, 2014 06:33 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

"The cynics are right nine times out of ten."

–Henry Louis Mencken

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  1. Open Rebellion in the US Senate – whose side will Mikey Bennet be on?

    Why does Open Rebellion matter?

    Why rebellion — progressive insurgency — against billionaire-controlled Democrats matters could become an essay in itself, and someday it will. But simply put, it matters for two main reasons. One, because conscience matters — yes, that — and two, because there are already cracks in all three layers of the progressive movement buried within the Democratic Party:

    ▪ Democratic voters have arguably rejected neoliberal, corporate, billionaire-serving Democrats in 2014.

    (I place Mark Udall in this crowd thanks to his constant fretting about the debt and his illogical desire to cut Social Security. Bennet is de facto a Corporatist. -z) 

    The country is ready for change, and the day Democrats offer one, they'll win elections by the bucketful.

    ▪ Democratic activists and writers are desperate for something better from their party. Their cris de coeur are private for now, said amongst themselves, and those cries are not cried by all. Nevertheless, a great many progressive voices and hands are done, have had it, with the Mark Warners and Pryors of the world, and very vocally so.

    ▪ Some Democratic insiders are similarly ready to rebel. There are pockets of donors, strategists and office-holders who "get it" — get that they can't be principled (that word again) and support the Geithners, the Pritzkers, and the Orszags. And if they can't support the Geithners, how can they support a White House that regularly coughs them out for consideration?

    The lessons from the last election seem pretty obvious. But there is still great resistance among those already in power to "learning" them. Bennet made sure to not take any blame for the failure of Bannock Street. He also seems to just want to keep on keepin' on…..as if his term in office has been bold or productive in any way. Bennet's strategy and political moves have been anything but and he shows no signs of changing.

    Thank goodness there are some in the senate willing to push back against the Corporatists among us. Elizabeth Warren is one of them. Bennet should be another.

  2. Courage and conscience — who has it and who doesn't?

    We live in times that test us. Sad that, but it can't be helped. I would not want to be a Clinton — a triangulating billionaire-serving Democrat — as the day's issues grow more stark and the bright lines more clear. And I'm not sure I'd want to be a party-loyal, on-the-fence progressive either. Yet that way victory lies, the way of courage.

    Just look who won and who lost in the last set of fights. Marriage equality won — becausegays went toe-to-toe with Obama and defied their own "triangulating" organizations, like Human Rights Campaign. Immigration reform is winning — because immigration activists pushed La Raza to call Obama the "deporter-in-chief" and he didn't like it.

    Courage and conscience. Do progressive Senators have what it takes? Does Harry Reid have what it takes to support them? Do any of our Democratic U.S. Senators have that spark of Harry Truman, or are we destined to be ruled by Corporatists of both parties for time immemorial?

            1. The liberal activist wants an elected liberal.  Unelected liberals aren't much use, all in all, as politicos go.  No one hangs on their every syllable as they do with, say, Caribou Barbie.  Or Darth Cheney, being asked how to handle Iraq 'cause he did such a special snowflake of a job when he was in charge.

        1. I think that BC is right – focus on the policies, which most people support, not the labels on the candidate.

          examples:

          • raise minimum wage
          • path to citizenship
          • reasonable cannabis regulation
          • staging in renewable energy
          • reasonably priced health care available to all, i.e., Obamacare
          • keeping or expanding access to contraception

          The problem is that we, as progressives, have to get better at promoting these policies, enough to overcome the right wing Faux Noise machine.

          The traditional way we have tried to get our message out and implement policies in governance is by running and electing strong, charismatic, electable candidates. The consultant class has recently decided that "electable" means downplaying the policies, or emphasizing one at the cost of the others.

          As progressive Democrats, we have not really adapted to the propaganda machine of the right. Liberal talk radio is dead; progressive journalism is thriving, but is mostly online or on cable, not in an easily accessible format. We're not getting  our message out the way the corporatists (of both parties) are.  We can't communicate to the people who need to hear us by canvassing blitzes once every two years.

  3. there are those of us who agree with you Mr. Zappatero…My question is "What Next"…"who can the Dems run against Bennett?…who just voted his true heart…the XL Funnel of Death…Now that the price of oil is falling, will we see a scramble from big oil to cement their policies before they loose all their leverage..?

        1. But she's not a conservative like Bennet.  Isn't that all that matters.  Who cares whether she can win or not.  This is about the soul of the Democratic Party.  If we have to lose a few seats in order to purify ourselves, so be it.  Look at how it worked for the Republicans.

           

          Sanders/Warren '16

        2. And she has horrible constituent service, according to people who have dealt with her, or her staff. Rude, dismissive, contemptuous constituent service.

          Perlmutter's staff is excellent; so is Mike Coffman's. He may be a weirdo corporate droid, but he hired good people who work hard for the people in his district.

          It makes a difference. People will re-elect folks who demonstrate caring and follow through.

        1. Least anyone be confused, my suggestion that DeGette run statewide was entirely tongue in cheek. Anyone w/ any arterial flow above the neck knows that Degette ‘s ideology and style does not travel well south of Hampden or east of Monaco or west of Sheridan.

  4. I can't run………Merrifield needs to finish his current gig. Not sure what is next, but I will certainly register my disapproval of Bennet. Maybe some of it will get through before he loses to Buck.

  5. This is a great read:

    The GOP's political strategy against Obama keeps leading to policies conservatives hate

    Back during George W. Bush's administration, the Supreme Court had ordered the Environmental Protection Agency to begin regulating greenhouse gas emissions. The Bush administration got around this by refusing to open the email in which the EPA stated that carbon dioxide is a pollutant (really). As soon as Obama became president, it was obvious that this particular strategy was dead. Either Congress would pass a new legislative framework for dealing with carbon-dioxide emissions, or else the email would be opened and the existing regulatory framework would proceed. Climate legislation would have reduced carbon-dioxide emissions by pricing them, which would have created a pool of revenue. Some of that revenue could be used to reduce taxes or advance other GOP priorities.

    But Republicans preferred to keep their fingerprints off any kind of action, even if that meant a policy outcome they liked less.

    1. They honestly have not cared about any policy goals since the day Obama was elected. All they've cared about is causing anything Obama supports to fail, even if it's policy he got straight from their own think tanks. Their only goal has been to create enough misery to convince the American people to turn Obama out in 2012. Well, that and  the related goal of suppressing the votes of any who couldn't be convinced to get rid of him. When that failed they figured they could keep it up and at least deny Obama the Senate in 2014.

      It's not just that they don't care about passing good legislation to make life better for the American people. It's not just that they have no real plans beyond hating Obama and obstructing him at every turn. It's that they actually very much want the American people to suffer as much as possible. That 's the plan. The only plan. They've decided that's all they've got. We'll see how that pans out for them in 2016, not just a presidential year but a year in which they'll be the ones with the lion's share of Senate seats to defend in hostile territory.

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