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Stay Classy, Tom Tancredo (I Know You Are But What Am I Edition)

by: Colorado Pols

Wed May 27, 2009 at 07:00:00 AM MDT


On MSNBC yesterday, where a regrettably large number of people witnessed former Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo's typically bizarre histrionics over the nomination of Sonia Sotomayor to the U.S. Supreme Court. Partial transcript:

Tancredo: Unfortunately for her and fortunately for us there are plenty of things that we've even talked about her already. I'm telling you, she appears to be a racist. [Pols emphasis] She said things that are racist in any other context...
---
Tancredo: You can still be a racist and have all those things in your background. You can be a racist and have all that stuff in your background.

Ed: How aggressive do you want the Republicans to be on the judiciary committee?

Tancredo: I think there's plenty of stuff that they can use and should. They should do to her what the Democrats did to Bork.

Ed: Like what?

Tancredo: I would continually bring up this quote of hers, I'd like her to explain that. It is incredible to me. There is no one else I can think of who could possibly have said the kind of things she said, If they are reported accurately about the benefits of being a brown women [Pols emphasis] as opposed to a white man and interpreting the law and nobody can look at that and say that was not a racist, sexist statement that would disqualify anybody else...She is a Hispanic woman and we can't say anything like this...

If you have a strong stomach, you can watch video of Tancredo's rantings at Crooks and Liars. Another off-reservation disaster for Tancredo and the GOP, especially since the level of opposition to Sotomayor's nomination has in no way been agreed upon--a lot of smart conservatives realize they have much more to lose by shrilly attacking the first Hispanic woman nominated to the Court, by most accounts a moderate choice. These are the Republicans who understand they cannot continue to alienate the fastest growing bloc of voters in the United States to appease a small extremist wing of their party and remain viable.

Unfortunately, Tancredo is much more interesting on camera than they are.
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Stay Classy, Tom Tancredo (I Know You Are But What Am I Edition) | 61 comments
Tancredo talking about closet racists
Seeing as how he is one, he's the last person that should be casting aspertions like this.

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The armchair psychologist says...
[ Parent ]
Tancredo is about...
as closeted with his racism as Melissa Etheridge is with her sex orientation.

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  
[ Parent ]
Well....
I think he's pretty "out" when it comes to his bigotry, but I always got the vibe he was keeping other stuff in the closet.  

"At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid." - Nietzsche  
[ Parent ]
I just wonder why he agrees to be the conservative foil
on an MSNBC show? Surely he knows his main job there is to say things for the rest to ridicule so the progressive viewers can enjoy the silly wacko being put in his place? Surely he knows he really is doing a service for the evil left, helping to promote progressive views? Gee, wonder (not) what motivates him.  My guess, it ain't selfless altruism.
[ Parent ]
Because he is a whore for TV cameras
He doesn't care whether his audience is sympathetic or not as long as he gets on the teevee.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy
[ Parent ]
With comments like that
... Tancredo will be appointed spokesman for the Republican Party sometime today.  Or so you'd think given the way the party's been heading lately.

"We're below sharks and contract killers." -- Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), speaking on Congress's 9% approval rating
I have my issues with Tancredo, but . . .
How else would you classify Sotomayor's comments?  If a white person said something like that, there's no way they would be nominated or confirmed (nor should he or she).  We seemed to be making progress toward a color blind society.  Sotomayor's nomination is a real set back.
Some other examples
What if a Christian talked about his faith?  What if a person talked about his Irish heritage?  Sometimes it's OK to talk about your background or ethnicity with pride and sometimes it isn't.  If you think hard you might figure out why.
[ Parent ]
Excellent point...
I've often wondered why so many people get irritated when a person who is African-American or Latino chooses to identify as such but have absolutely no problem joining in with the Irish in celebrating St. Patrick's day.  

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  
[ Parent ]
When there is booze and fun involved
anything is possible, not sustainable, but possible.
[ Parent ]
Oh, the Irish
Half my family is Irish, and I've had to hear a lot about how the Irish were actually the most oppressed minority of all. And not just on St. Patrick's Day either.

"Have a Bobby bar! My dad made them." --Jon Huntsman Jr.
[ Parent ]
where else does one of the former great colonial powers
.
still maintain a colony on foreign soil ?  

Portugal pulled out of Angola, the last colony in Africa, in 1975,
and England pulled out of Hong Kong, the last colony in Asia, in 1997,
but England is still holding on to "Northern Ireland."
.

[ Parent ]
British Virgin Islands....
Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Guam Northern Mariana Islands, Gibralter, American Samoa.  

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  
[ Parent ]
Why is everybody always picking on white people?
Let the healing begin.



"Have a Bobby bar! My dad made them." --Jon Huntsman Jr.

[ Parent ]
I like having justices from different backgrounds
ignoring one's context, imagining that one can be suspended behind a 'veil of ignorrance' (in Rawlsian terms) unencumbered, or unlearned, from one's history, context, and yes ethnicity or religion, is foolish fantasy.

We need courts, and other branches of government, to reflect the diverse make up of this land.


"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

[ Parent ]
St. Ronnie on the need for women on the SCOTUS


"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

[ Parent ]
Color blind?
I don't think that should be our desire at all. Each of us should recognize our differences and honor them.

Further, the context in which Sotomayor made the "controvercial" comments was a discussion on cases relating to sex and race discrimination.  I tend to agree with her that a latina is likely going to have an easier time identifying gender or race based discrimination than a white male. Especially when viewed in the context of the recent Supreme Court ruling in Ledbetter v. Goodyear.

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  

[ Parent ]
Exactly......
We can never be color (gender, age, etc.) blind.  But we can, and should strive to understand and honor them.  We need to laugh at our own group(s), too.

I groan when I hear some lib friend of mine claim that they are color blind....but they would immediately cross the street in a dark minority neighborhood if someone young and darker was on their side.  

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

[ Parent ]
Agree with both of you.
That's what makes Colbert's insistence that he literally can't see a person's color and must ask what color they are a parody. There is nothing wrong with noting that having grown up as a minority or as a woman during a time when discrimination against both was rampant gives insights where others might have blind spots, not out of ill will so much as out of the clueless, casual acceptance of the way things are on the part of those born into the mainstream.  

For instance, the fact that so many white Christian males see no problem (in fact see a great positive) with a nominee or candidate  proclaiming that their Christian faith will influence their decision making but get their undies in a bunch when a person says their experience as a member of a formerly oppressed ethnic minority, gender or sexual orientation will do the very same thing, is proof of a blind spot.  We all have them.  Diversity helps us to  be there to make up for one another's blind spots.

[ Parent ]
You're cherry-picking your quotes and comments, KK
You must have missed this quote:

"All judges have cases that touch our passions deeply, but we all struggle constantly with remaining impartial" and letting reason rule. Courts, she added, "are in large part the product of their membership and their judges' ability to think through and across their own intellectual and professional backgrounds" to find common ground.

And this one?

"The life of the law has not been logic; it has been experience."

That last one? By some white guy named Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. He must be a racist who was unsuitable for serving on the SCOTUS.

But more to the point, a woman with brown skin who grew up in the projects in the 50's and 60's did not grow up in a color-blind (nor gender-blind) society. And the only people who could harbor the illusion that they grew up in a color-blind society did so in segregated all-white society. I think that Sotomayor is only acknowledging the obvious.

But if you and the rest of the R's want to keep ranting about this, have at it. I don't think most gringos find Sotomayor's comments offensive. But I think most Hispanics will find your comments offensive.  

Its just like Further, but with tax cuts! - Fidel's Dirt Nap

[ Parent ]
The man doesn't know the definition of racist
Perhaps he should look in the mirror?

judge elected officials by their actions, not by their rhetoric
Thankfully
Tancredo = irrelevant. Just like when Musgrave opens her big fat mouth and says something stupid, it doesn't really matter anymore because they're no longer in a position of power.

Tancredo's an asshole, but thankfully he's no longer an important asshole.

Pols contradicts self.
.
Which is it ?

is she

                 by all accounts a moderate choice.

as Pols editorializes,
or
was there one account, Tank's, that said that she appeared to be racist ?

Or am I reading too much into this ?
Can some one be both "moderate" and "racist ?"
.

You should answer that question for yourself
rather than letting other people do it for you.

Read her opinions at Scotusblog:

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/c...

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno

[ Parent ]
but research is soooo hard
.
Ralphie, I don't know if we've met, but if we have met in some public forum, I probably had my wife and/or sons with me.  
If I may paraphrase BG Charles Canham at the surrender of Brest, those are my credentials.  

I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing with the characterizations.
I'm just pointing out that Pols themselves recite an account that clearly asserts that the Judge is not moderate, and then incorrectly says that there are no accounts that say she is anything but moderate.  

As a former certified QC professional, I believe that the only way we get better is if we are willing to accept criticisms when we fall short.  And here, Pols falls short in the use of the English language.
.  

[ Parent ]
Barron
I think she's going to be way too moderate for the Progressives.

Much has been written how Obama has co-opted the Republicans with this pick.  I also think he's co-opted the Democrats to his left.


Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno

[ Parent ]
Well, you can add Sen. Inhofe...
Inhofe had this to say:
In the months ahead, it will be important for those of us in the U.S. Senate to weigh her qualifications and character as well as her ability to rule fairly without undue influence from her own personal race, gender, or political preferences.

Now, granted, Inhofe isn't as far off the rez as Tank, but I don't think anyone made any mention of race or gender when discussing Alito or Roberts. Those words are reserved for women and non-whites.

So you're right, Barron, not everyone thinks that Sotomayor is a moderate. I suppose the question is who do you side with? Tank and Inhofe and the rest of the Fox fodder, or do you side with the people who actually know something about Sotomayor?  

Its just like Further, but with tax cuts! - Fidel's Dirt Nap

[ Parent ]
To be honest...
Alito's nomination did have some gender overtones, but only in the context of "we're losing a female voice from the Court".  Nothing so much about Alito having "male" biases - those are apparently reserved for women...

And nothing of Alito's Italian biases, or "white" biases.  Or of Chief Justice Roberts' over-whelming English-ness.

"We're below sharks and contract killers." -- Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), speaking on Congress's 9% approval rating

[ Parent ]
Actually, there was plenty of that
as in, "What, you don't like Alito because he's Italian? What are you, a bigot? You're voting against confirmation? Why not just call him a wop and string him up from a tree?"

http://mediamatters.org/resear...

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/...

"Have a Bobby bar! My dad made them." --Jon Huntsman Jr.

[ Parent ]
In any case
The way that the GOP first chose, as its most repeated talking points, the questioning her experience and INTELLIGENCE, comparing her to Harriet Meirs, when her credentials in both areas are outstanding, shows that they continue to be determined to insult and drive away as many Hispanic voters as possible.   Fine by me.
[ Parent ]
Sorry...
I wasn't expecting to have to defend Alito's defenders on those charges, only his detractors.

"We're below sharks and contract killers." -- Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), speaking on Congress's 9% approval rating
[ Parent ]
Lets' have us some overwhelming English-ness

Couldn't resist

" The webinar is free, however, there are only 250 spaces available "

Some douche

[ Parent ]
much tougher question.
.
I do not want someone made a Justice based strictly on ability, I want folks who will apply my religious beliefs in their rulings.
You'd think that, with 55% (would she make it 66% ?) coming out of my faith tradition, that I'd be happy with every SCOTUS ruling, and yet I'm not.  
Other folks here want a Justice who will apply their religious beliefs.  

I consider a belief that "gay marriage" is a matter of civil rights to be a religious belief.  Nobody here (or elsewhere) has ever cited any scientific data to prove otherwise.  While that belief is "perfectly logical" to many who post here, that belief cannot actually be deduced through the application of Aristotelian or Boolean logic.  Sorta like my belief that "life begins at conception."  I take my religious beliefs on faith, just as those who support "gay marriage" do.  And that is actually a stronger basis for arguing in favor of it, compared to false appeals to "justice" or "common sense:" freedom of religion.

So, those old, obsolete, worn-out litmus tests, abortion, gay marriage, killing embryos for stem cell research, etc., they aren't so obsolete for me.
I don't want no stinkin' moderate.  I want an extremist in the cause of righteousness.  
What are the chances of that happening ?  
.

[ Parent ]
Oh dear,
Better move to a country where your brand of Christianity is the official state religion then. Ours doesn't have one.
[ Parent ]
Sounds like Sharia Law
Thankfully (to me, at least), most people who share Barron's views still support the concept of democracy (including Barron).

Its just like Further, but with tax cuts! - Fidel's Dirt Nap
[ Parent ]
Blue Cat hit the problem on the head.
.
If "Christianity" was the state religion,  just my luck,
it would be some variation that I could not abide.  

Thus, I'm better off - as I think we all are - without one.
.

[ Parent ]
I kind of figured that was
where you were going, Barron. Happy to oblige.
[ Parent ]
logic
Gov't should not discriminate in it's laws or civic recognitions

Marriage is a civic recognition

Ergo: Gov't should not discriminate in marriage

"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

[ Parent ]
quite logical. persuasive.
.
but explain to me the connection you see between "marriage," which involves one man and one woman, and "gay marriage," which does not.
.
[ Parent ]
I left out a few details...here is the logic as I see it
Marriage as a civic institution recognizes the bond between two adults, bestowing upon them certain rights and responsibilities;

Civic institutions must not discriminate against any adult citizens in instituting its civic recognitions, rights and attendant responsibilities;

Ergo: Marriage should not discriminate against against any adult citizen in instituting its civic recognitions, rights and attendant responsibilities.

Personally, I find it reprehensible that right-wingers get married, and the thought of them all sweaty engaging in their proclivities makes my skin crawl.  I might even go so far say as it is offensive to my core beliefs, but I would never dare to suggest that Colorado or the U.S. should prohibit them from marrying or doing their nasty, gross, and offensive deeds.

"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

[ Parent ]
I find it reprehensible that right-wingers get married, and the thought of them all sweaty engaging in their proclivities makes my skin crawl
   Not to mention that they don't know how to properly operate a condom so they produce right-wing spawn like rabbits.
[ Parent ]
with no offense intended
to rabbits, or wabbits

"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

[ Parent ]
Not being a right-winger or a heterosexual
I took no offense of course.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy
[ Parent ]
When I took the silly FaceBook quiz
I learned that I am a moderate.

I need to check with my GF on where I fall on Kinsey scale...

"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

[ Parent ]
oof, CT
that stuff about right wingers caused me to momentarily envision Cheney and the Mrs.  Thanks a bunch. I'm going to watch some mindless TV now as a mind cleanser.
[ Parent ]
An alternative
Get government out of the "marriage" business altogether, including for hetero couples.  Get government into the civic partnership business, regardless of the sex of the two partners.  It's good for society.

And let churches call "marriage" whatever they want.  Hetero, homo, whatever.

[ Parent ]
Actually the only marriage that matters in terms of legality is the civil institution
Religious ceremonies are totally optional.  What you need is a marriage licence, a witnessed ceremony, which may be secular or religious, and the signed marriage certificate.  I got married by a Justice of the Peace.  That's a civil ceremony but I get to say that I'm married just as if it had been a religious ceremony.  

So we don't need a special civil union category.  All legal marriages are civil unions or recognized as common law in some states.  Any religious ceremony is purely a personal matter. The right to legally marry should be extended to same sex couples as a matter of equal rights.  

Clergy  of various religious groups would still be free to choose  whether or not to perform religious ceremonies for same sex couples in the same way that Orthodox Rabbis are free not to perform ceremonies for Jews wishing to marry non-Jews in spite of the fact that such marriages are legal.  

Where's the problem? Everybody gets to marry the person they wish to marry and no clergy are forced to  participate in marriages of which they disapprove on religious grounds. Seems like a great American live and let live solution to me.  

[ Parent ]
Barron, your faith tradition does not so limit marriage
Christ, the Virgin Mary, Joseph all were Jewish.  The Jewish patriarchs had multiple wives and concubines.  To say that marriage involves one man and only one woman denies the rich and glorious heritage that gave rise to Christianity.

History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.  (Mark Twain)
[ Parent ]
What are your chances? Pretty good...
You have Alito, Scalia, and Roberts (I would have inclueded Thomas but I honestly don't think he has any beliefs other than to agree with however Scalia votes) on the court already...with a few minor tweaks they share your beliefs.

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  
[ Parent ]
Well, guy from Arvada,
.
I meant that I didn't think that Obama would appoint another from my tribe.  
But if you hate Sotomayor, maybe I'll like her.  I guess I need to do that research after all.  
.
[ Parent ]
If we could get another....
from your "tribe" in the mold of William Brennan, I'd certaily be happy.  And BTW, I think we may have just gotten one....

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  
[ Parent ]
Alito quote
from TAPPED:

----Because when a case comes before me involving, let's say, someone who is an immigrant -- and we get an awful lot of immigration cases and naturalization cases -- I can't help but think of my own ancestors, because it wasn't that long ago when they were in that position.
[...]

When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account.----


That's pronounced 'TwEETy' fool!
Wingnuts running out of ammo?

From Talking Points Memo:

National Review Online's Mark Krikorian: "Putting the emphasis on the final syllable of Sotomayor is unnatural in English... and insisting on an unnatural pronunciation is something we shouldn't be giving in to."

So how does an American pronounce Boener then?

"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

They're really running out of ideas
I guess we should be questioning the same thing about Samuel Ay-Lie-toe.

Hooked on phonics worked for Mark Krikorian!

[ Parent ]
Touché


Its just like Further, but with tax cuts! - Fidel's Dirt Nap
[ Parent ]
Darn, didn't work
It was supposed to be Touche', but the darn pols software escaped my special character! (how's that for geek-speak?)

Its just like Further, but with tax cuts! - Fidel's Dirt Nap
[ Parent ]
Works great in the comment body...
Not so well in the header.

Touché  

"We're below sharks and contract killers." -- Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), speaking on Congress's 9% approval rating

[ Parent ]
Works in the header in preview mode, too.
c'est la vie.  

Its just like Further, but with tax cuts! - Fidel's Dirt Nap
[ Parent ]
Stop speaking French!
YMMV!

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010
[ Parent ]
et tu?!
¡Ay, caramba!  

Its just like Further, but with tax cuts! - Fidel's Dirt Nap
[ Parent ]
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